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EXPERIENCE

 
Dukes 2019-03-08 18:13:01 

For all those young turks who feel you do not need experience let today be a lesson for you.To those who say that first class cricket experience is irrelevant to T 20 cricket I hope today's performance will be instructive to you.Chris Gayle played a lot of first class cricket before T 20 came about circa 2008.You have to learn how to bat in first class cricket before you are able to adapt to T 20.Same thing goes for bowling.

I would venture to say that experience is good FOR ABSOLUTELY ALL ENDEAVORS IN LIFE.Now people who are super talented will shine even though they are inexperienced.

Some people it does not matter how much experience they have they will suck.
The entire England team were 27 years or older except Tom Curran who at 23 years old has played 58 first class matches which is more than 7 of our 11 players.

 
mikesiva 2019-03-08 18:42:23 

In reply to Dukes

cool

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2019-03-08 18:43:57 

In reply to Dukes

...and?

 
StumpCam 2019-03-08 18:47:22 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

These old people love to talk about experience!! lol lol

 
openning 2019-03-08 18:49:10 

How come experience Devon Smith, still cannot survive at the International level?
Has to be more than just experience.

 
bobby 2019-03-08 18:50:53 

In reply to Dukes

Experience is important. Having a brain is even more important. The West Indies problem over the past 15 years has primarily been a lack of brain.

 
Dukes 2019-03-08 18:51:21 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

The reason I doan cuss Holder for bowling McKoy in the last over is because it was deliberately designed to see how the newbie would do under pressure.Like everybody else I was expecting Soldier boy to bowl the last over.Now Holder and all of us know for sure that McKoy aint bowling no last over anytime soon.

Now on to this experience thing.

I remember when I started out on my professional journey,I was amazed at how the experienced old guys always had the right answers.I swore they were geniuses.Now I am on the other side of that experience and I know I aint no genius.IT IS CALLED EXPERIENCE.

 
Dukes 2019-03-08 18:53:08 

In reply to openning

How come experience Devon Smith, still cannot survive at the International level?
Has to be more than just experience.


One of my father's sayings that I have quoted on here before

Some people have 20 years experience and others have 1 year's experience twenty times

 
pariaman 2019-03-08 18:54:23 

Experience only good if you learning from it!

 
CITYBOY 2019-03-08 20:46:57 

In reply to Dukes

Hola...experience meh foot..180 runs is par for the course at ST KItts...smallest arena in WI...its the EXPERIENCED BATSMAN that could not shake down 180 plus....if you cant chase down 180 or get close to it then get rid of your damn EXPERIENCED BATSMEN..
Holding any team to 180 at St Kitts is good....your experienced batsmen let you down today.
Adios
CB

 
XDFIX 2019-03-08 20:54:14 

Gayle did not show up today and bowlers bowled rubbish after the first 4 wickets!

All of dem guys on the team have experience playing locally or internationally

It's just a wutliss outing by the guys - dat's all!

Windies playing headless cricket is common assault!

 
Ewart 2019-03-08 21:48:37 

In reply to openning

How come experience Devon Smith, still cannot survive at the International level?



wink


He is the exception to the rule!



razz

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POINT 2019-03-08 22:20:37 

In reply to Dukes

I wholeheartedly agree with what You
have stated here . Quite frankly the
BASIC FUNDAMENTALS of Batting ; Bowling & Fielding are the same in
ALL FORMATS of the Game .

Obviously those who are Grounded in the Fundamentals of Cricket can & will
succeed in any format of the game in my opinion .

My take is that Many of Our Players
are not Fully grounded in the basic
Fundamentals of Batting ; Bowling &
Fielding .

Now if the People in the WICBC were
and are very serious about the
competitiveness of Our Players in the International Cricket Arena , there needs to be meaningful CAMPS for Our Players .

These Camps should have a duration of at least 1 Month prior to engage in International Encounters , and Our Former Great Players must be in charge of these Camps , to correct flaws , and impart their wisdom & Knowledge to Our Players .

Let me remind ALL & Sundry , the freaking fact that it was this Methodology that was responsible for
OUR Players win 2 consecutive World
Championships in the shortest version of the game .

 
POINT 2019-03-08 22:38:53 

In reply to Dukes

The WICBC bluntly refuse to do what
I have stated above . YES what I propose will cost Money . However to
make money YOU have to spend money .

My take is that those in the WICBC
are so freaking Egotistical , they prefer to hire Persons from outside the Region , pay them fat Salaries , and allow them to get well tanned and enjoy the Beaches .

So then My Question to the WICBC &
their Supporters this simple Question :

How many Coaches from Outside the
Region have had successes that are akin to Our Former Great Players who
were in charge of the Shortest Version of the Game ???????

BTW , that was not a Fluke , because
the Players they Coached won those
2 World Championships CONSECUTIVELY.

How many World Championships have those who the WICBC hired have won
a World Championship for US in any format of the Game ?????

 
POINT 2019-03-08 22:45:25 

This is why I am a staunch advocate
for ALL Members of the WICBC & the
Regional Boards DEMIT their Offices ,
and usher Completely New Structures in
ALL Cricket Boards in the Region .

I have yet to hear any of the WICBC
FLUNKIES in the Media ask about the
Phantom Wehby Report , THEY apparently
are to busy campaigning for Emperor
Cameron .

 
Star 2019-03-09 06:48:09 

In reply to POINT
You are just a venter, that's all. You had the opportunity to speak directly to the Right Honourable PM of your native land when he was one of the leading advocates for restructuring the WICB and you chickened out.

You would have gotten all the time you wanted to raise your concerns with the PM over the airwaves where thousands of cricket fans awouldhave heard
you but instead you ran and hid like a frightened child.

Venting incessantly on this forum isn't going to bring about any changes to the management style at CWI.

 
POINT 2019-03-09 20:48:24 

In reply to Star

FYI , I have never had an opportunity
to speak to PM Gonsalves , due to the
fact that I am not currently living in SVG .

 
Norm 2019-03-09 23:32:03 

In reply to Dukes

For all those young turks who feel you do not need experience

In many cases, physical attributes are all that is needed for superior performance, but not in cricket.

Hety is a good example of a case in cricket that needs experience for consistent success. On the other hand, Roach is a good example of experience playing the bigger part in a cricketer's success.

Giving Obed McCoy the last over on his debut was convenient stupidity. Holder, Brathwaite and the mostly Bajan think tank had no problem whatsoever avoiding the death over at the expense of the debutant, especially since this debutant was supposed to be a death bowler specialist.

 
Star 2019-03-10 06:15:43 

In reply to POINT
I am referring to his appearance on the Mason and Guest call in show where Andrew would have given your call priority.

Are you now saying you do not remember?

 
newdread 2019-03-10 10:49:29 

In reply to POINT

FYI , I have never had an opportunity
to speak to PM Gonsalves , due to the
fact that I am not currently living in SVG .


Wait....yu nuh have nuh phone....is de so-so laptop yuh have?

Tell me something, besides the rest of us here who else have you ever shared your theories with?

 
InHindsight 2019-03-10 11:12:10 

In reply to StumpCam

Am not "old" but that a childish and youthful comment

 
Dukes 2019-03-10 12:07:39 

As I said

 
number09 2019-03-10 12:11:38 

In reply to Dukes

I remember when I started out on my professional journey,I was amazed at how the experienced old guys always had the right answers.I swore they were geniuses.Now I am on the other side of that experience and I know I aint no genius.IT IS CALLED EXPERIENCE.

Totally endorse that statement.

 
Yamfoot 2019-03-10 12:51:26 

In reply to POINT


Obviously those who are Grounded in the Fundamentals of Cricket can & will succeed in any format of the game in my opinion


Spot on!!

A cricketer with significant technical flaws with not be a great cricketer with experience.

Start with a good base in the rudiments however, and over time, with experience, you shall be great!

Someone who is illiterate, and needs reading to be able to perform well on the job, will not succeed unless he learns to read.

 
Dukes 2019-03-10 13:13:20 

In reply to Yamfoot

The problem we have is that many people have decided that the poor standard of our first class cricket means that no decisions wrt West Indies selection should be made solely on performances at this level.However it is my view that not withstanding the merits of that sentiment, if you have not performed at the lower level, then it is unlikely that you will perform at the higher level.We are picking people who have failed at first class level and we expect them to perform at International level.It is devoid of logic.We also bypass our first class cricket and put people who have barely played first class cricket straight into the International Arena

A common refrain from the protagonists of this approach is to call Holding's name but that only is valid for those who were not following cricket in real time then.Holding was recognized as a special talent in 1973 when he repeatedly got Redpath out early.He however was given a couple years more of 1st class cricket before he was taken on tour of Australia and bowled WI to victory against a state side taking 6-60 and then and only then was he selected to play test cricket.

 
CITYBOY 2019-03-10 13:57:07 

In reply to Dukes

Hola...you are calling for experience to play CIRCUS and LASH cricket????
T20 players do not need to be groomed...
Your comparing Holding is mute...that was by-gone days...different cricket...T20 is circus...
Is Russel/Pollard cricketers of substance that can command a place in Tests or ODI'S???
By your argument they are experienced..
You can pick up a player from any part of the country and put him in a T20 game if he can lash ball/field and bowl a bit..
Adios
CB

 
jcveletta 2019-03-10 15:48:30 

In reply to Dukes

duksey, you seems to have watched a lot of text cricket back in your time. how good were yagga and kalli?

 
POINT 2019-03-10 16:44:20 

In reply to Star

FYI Most of those who claim to be Sports Personalities , are in Bed with
the WICBC .

Why would I want to call in to Mason &
Guest to get Cut Off ???
Most of the so called Sports Personalities in the Region are Lackeys of the Worst International
Cricket Board in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC .

My take is that there must be Total
Restructuring to Cricket in the Region . The WICBC as far as I am aware is a Part Owner of 1 Cricket ground in the Region ; The Others are either Public or Private .

Interestingly the BCCI & The WICBC
have similar Structures . A few years ago , there was a Commission in India called the LODAR Committee ,and it stated that the BCCI needed
to change certain aspects of its governance of Cricket in India .

The BCCI ignored the Findings of the
LODAR Committee , this matter then
went to the Supreme Court of India .
Interestingly the Great International Conspirators , aka the ICC failed to show up on behalf of the BCCI , that did not surprise me because it did not show up in Guyana when the Guyana Government took the Guyana Cricket Board to Court .

But I digressed , The Judges in the
India Supreme Court , verbally slapped around the Officials . One of the Members of the BCCI brought a
Letter from the President of the ICC , WHICH WAS IGNORED .

The BCCI was given a certain time to implement the Changes that were recommended . That time expired , and the BCCI again found itself before the India Supreme Court .

This time metaphorically the India
Supreme Court threw the Book at the
BCCI .

THE COURT REMOVED THE PRESIDENT OF

THE BCCI FROM HIS POSITION AS THE

PRESIDENT OF THE BCCI . THE

SECRETARY OF THE BCCI WAS ALSO

DISCIPLINED .

I cite the above to illustrate the fact that when the ICC states that
Governments cannot intervene in Cricket , that is a Freaking Lie .

They can through the Courts , as was
done in both Guyana & India . The gist of what I have written here is the fact that Governments through the Courts can Intervene in Cricket.

The freaking fact is that in this Region , some Governments are in Bed
with the Worst International Cricket
Board in the Commonwealth , aka the
WICBC .

In my opinion those Governments are
Penny Wise , but Pound Foolish , THEY along with the WICBC are responsible for the inconsistencies
of Our Players in the International
Cricket Arena .

I recommend that You read what the
Lodar Committee stated about the BCCI .