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Has capitalism been too successful (for some) for its own good?

 
black 2019-03-12 08:42:29 

Capitalism operates on the premise that anyone can become successful with hard work and dedication, but the fact remains that most people in America or anywhere, will only achieve low to middle income, status.

These same people are seeing billionaires popping up everywhere. Some, are becoming super rich, while most people are struggling.

Unless, this trend of some, having more than they can spend, while most are struggling, people are going to become less satisfied with the status quo.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 10:34:59 

In reply to black

Ask yourself this Bro: can you create or generate capital (wealth) without labour?

Capitalism operates on the premise that anyone can become successful with hard work and dedication


That's not capitalism. That's Murican pipe dream propaganda.

The most basic definition of capitalism is an economic system which allows for the operation and control of private or corporate ownership of capital without state or government intervention and control and for profit.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 10:43:04 

In reply to black

For a minute there i thought you were making an analogous point, as in..capitalism is to financial success as communism is to freedom.


But alas grammar escapes you.

Also...

Unless, this trend of some, having more than they can spend, while most are struggling, people are going to become less satisfied with the status quo.


Was someone giving away free commas?

 
black 2019-03-12 10:48:01 

In reply to SnoopDog

I am all for capitalism but you also have to look at the reason why people like AOC are gaining traction.

There has to be ways of correcting wage gaps, whether, it's wage increases (voluntary) or Government intervention.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 10:55:16 

In reply to black

I am all for capitalism but you also have to look at the reason why people like AOC are gaining traction.

There has to be ways of correcting wage gaps, whether, it's wage increases or Government intervention.


When you have corporations like Amazon raking in $22 billion in profits and paying $0 in taxes you'll understand why there is an ever widening income inequality in Murica.

 
Tryangle 2019-03-12 11:14:26 

In reply to SnoopDog

You know how that goes. The wealthy are equipped to take advantage of tax avoidance schemes, etc. The not-so-well-off don't have that access (or knowledge).

 
black 2019-03-12 11:15:28 

In reply to SnoopDog


When you have corporations like Amazon raking in $22 billion in profits and paying $0 in taxes you'll understand why there is an ever widening income inequality in Murica.


True, but that does not fix the problem. The problem is, wages are not keeping up with inflation. Minimum wage earners are probably making $8.00 less (hourly) than they need to make to keep up with inflation.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 11:20:56 

In reply to black

Minimum wage earners are probably making $8.00 less than they need to make to keep up with inflation.
So how much in total per hour should they be making, in your opinion?

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 11:21:50 

In reply to black

I think you're very naive about crony (corporate) capitalism and how it has infected and infested the entire political and economic system in Murica.

Wages are only a symptom of the larger problem: income and social inequality. This ever widening social and income inequality is a result of decades of de-regulation of markets, anti-labour and union animus, and massive corporate welfare vis taxation policies and legislation.

Ask yourself why some billionaires like Warren Buffett are imploring politicians to tax the wealthy? They see that this current system which is creating this ever growing and ever widening inequality is ultimately unsustainable.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 11:22:24 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

So how much in total per hour should they be making, in your opinion?


What's the value of their labour relative to the profits of the company?

 
black 2019-03-12 11:22:52 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

15 to 17.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 11:24:32 

In reply to SnoopDog

What's the value of their labour relative to the profits of the company?
That's more of an appropriate argument tho I have my reservations as well... but I asked that question to black for a reason.....

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 11:31:08 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

That's more of an appropriate argument tho I have my reservations as well..


It's the only relevant argument in this context.

Can you create or generate capital (wealth) without labour?

 
black 2019-03-12 11:33:24 

In reply to SnoopDog



I think you're very naive about crony (corporate) capitalism and how it has infected and infested the entire political and economic system in Murica. 

Wages are only a symptom of the larger problem: income and social inequality. This ever widening social and income inequality is a result of decades of de-regulation of markets, anti-labour and union animus, and massive corporate welfare vis taxation policies and legislation. 

Ask yourself why some billionaires like Warren Buffett are imploring politicians to tax the wealthy? They see that this current system which is creating this ever growing and ever widening inequality is ultimately unsustainable
.

I agree, it is a big problem but it's not the total solution. People are going to be super wealthy, regardless. Workers need to have a better standard of living and the Government would not (and should not) have to subsidize them.

 
pelon 2019-03-12 11:36:14 

In reply to black

Guys read this article:
How Capitalism Made Americans Poor, and Socialism Made Europeans Rich

A brilliant article.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 11:41:28 

In reply to black

15 to 17.
So... for 17 years I've never had a second or side job... fortunately and gratefully, my 1 job was sufficient to put dhall, rice, and bigan choka on my dinner table and I am satisfied with that.

But last holiday season... I wanted to get some exercise in and since I didn't want to go running outside... (too frigid and therefore, uncomfortable) I decided that going to the Gym would be a good alternative.

Then, I thought, why pay to go to the Gym when I can get paid to exercise if I apply and go "work" in the evenings for one of Amazon, Fedex, or UPS? I mean, it's holiday time and they can use the extra hands since they are usually overwhelmed with packages and Christmas gifts.

I decided to undertake the challenge, along with 3 of my other co-workers who also wanted to get some exercise and one, better yet... needed the 2nd job.

We went through the hiring process, background check, drug test, etc... I passed. No resume needed as this was not a job for a rocket scientist.

None of the other 3 co-workers got thru. for different reasons, can't work the shift, passport expired, etc... anyway...

my point is... it was extremely simple to get hired as long as you don't have any demons in your past and don't do illegal drugs and pass the physical and mental test and you make exactly in the range what you $uggested, above.

I get it... not everyone, for whatever exceptional reason, can do it, but for the most part... most should... there is no excuse to stop pushing for something if you really want it.

You WILL always find an EXCUSE for something you don't really want and don't really have the DRIVE to do. SIMPLE.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 11:45:03 

In reply to black

Workers need to have a better standard of living and the Government would not (and should not) have to subsidize them.


So ask yourself why should anyone from the middle class pay taxes if government would not and should not subsidize them?

If $22 billion in profits Amazon doesn't have to pay a dime in taxes why should Joe Public have to pay as well?

Let's have a grand Libertarian utopia where the market is allowed to run free without interference and regulations and no one is taxed. Workers can withhold their labour until companies agree to pay them a commensurate wage relative to the profits their labour generates for the company. Roads will pave themselves, hospitals and schools will maintain themselves, bridges will build themselves, and the country will defend itself by re-introducing volunteers and conscription.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 11:47:33 

In reply to pelon

This site can’t be reached The connection was reset.
Try:

Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
Running Windows Network Diagnostics
ERR_CONNECTION_RESET

 
pelon 2019-03-12 11:51:48 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

then try it via google: "How Capitalism Made Americans Poor, and Socialism Made Europeans Rich"

 
black 2019-03-12 11:52:19 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

Good on you!!!

If everyone was like you, the world would be a better place but we are always going to have stragglers in society and we have to find ways to take care of them.

By the way, I have worked 2 jobs before but I'm too tired now. lol

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 12:00:08 

In reply to pelon

It goes back to the very simple question I asked at the very top of this thread: can you create or generate capital (wealth) without labour?

Americans have become so brainwashed with the idea of capital (wealth) as the ultimate indicator of success that they have completely ignored the value of their labour in creating and generating that capital (wealth). This whole argument of wages is hilarious especially coming from people who now view labour unions as parasitic or "un-American".

Thanks for that article as well. This piece is especially prescient.

Capitalism grew so rich precisely by exploiting the average American, leaving them in a state that Marx would have called “immiseration” — being paid just enough to subsist, and having all the cream of your labour, which is to say, your energy, creativity, ideas, passion, or just plain hard work, skimmed off the top. You can think of “immiseration” as something like “being offered the lowest price possible for your labour, and having no choice but to take it — while also having to pay the highest price possible for the very things you create.” What a beautiful trap — if you’re a capitalist, that is. But what if you’re not?


Hence, Amazon has made Jeff Bezos the richest man in the world. And maybe his top lieutenants are millionaires, too. But the average joe working the warehouse is never going to be rich. He will be working, most likely, until the day he dies. He’s immiserated — he lives a life that’s not very good, but one which he can’t escape from, either. Capitalism has him right where it wants him — both as a consumer and a producer.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 12:02:53 

In reply to black

If everyone was like you, the world would be a better place but we are always going to have stragglers in society and we have to find ways to take care of them.


Can you tell us which stragglers of society got $700 billion in taxer payers money in 2008/2009?

 
black 2019-03-12 12:11:09 

In reply to SnoopDog

Would that be Trump? lol

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 12:16:15 

In reply to black

Would that be Trump?


You know the answer. Why do so many Americans think that only the poor and middle class are recipients of government assistance?

The wealthy and super wealthy are the biggest welfare kings and queens. Always have been and always will be. Socialism for the rich!

 
black 2019-03-12 12:49:21 

In reply to SnoopDog


Let's have a grand Libertarian utopia where the market is allowed to run free without interference and regulations and no one is taxed. Workers can withhold their labour until companies agree to pay them a commensurate wage relative to the profits their labour generates for the company. Roads will pave themselves, hospitals and schools will maintain themselves, bridges will build themselves, and the country will defend itself by re-introducing volunteers and conscription


lol lol lol

Look, Governments are always going to favor the rich, it's just the way the system is set-up. In the US, they have lobbyist working on behalf of the rich, while the poor keep getting ripped off.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 12:52:54 

In reply to black

Look, Governments are always going to favor the rich, it's just the way the system is set-up.


I'm glad you finally understand this.

So please stop vilifying poor and middle class people (who pay their fair share of taxes, unlike Amazon) as "stragglers" even though they get less government assistance than the wealthy and super wealthy.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 12:54:36 

In reply to black

I am all for capitalism but you also have to look at the reason why people like AOC are gaining traction.


and they you answered your own question...

Look, Governments are always going to favor the rich, it's just the way the system is set-up. In the US, they have lobbyist working on behalf of the rich, while the poor keep getting ripped off.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 13:10:53 

In reply to SnoopDog

Can you tell us which stragglers of society got $700 billion in taxer payers money in 2008/2009?
Billion or million? Either way..... same difference..... lol lol lol

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 13:11:25 

In reply to pelon

will check it later..... thx

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-03-12 13:12:06 

In reply to black

Good on you!!!

If everyone was like you, the world would be a better place but we are always going to have stragglers in society and we have to find ways to take care of them.

By the way, I have worked 2 jobs before but I'm too tired now. lol
cool cool

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 13:13:02 

So then what is the incentive to ever care about the poor and middle class?

What makes you think it will ever change?

This is where you all do not see life for what it is.

Communist and socialist Government are by design supposed to put the majority ahead of the minority in terms of ffocus.

Yet you all are always slow to admit that in a capitalist system the focus is on the minority who has the money!

You villify one and promote the other when in reality there are pros and cons to all and none result in the happiness of the majority.

Yet you all think this will change.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 13:15:41 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

$700 Billion was Bush/Paulson's initial blank cheque to Wall street.

The actual blank cheque after it was all said and done was $475 Billion.

And then you have idiots on Fox "News" asking "but...but..but how can the government pay for free tuition, or healthcare, or libraries, or roads, or bridges, or hospitals, or healthcare?!?!?!?!"

 
black 2019-03-12 13:30:16 

In reply to Ayenmol

Communism is a total failure, there aren't incentives to work hard.

Now, some socialism, if integrated right, can work in capitalistic societies.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 13:33:52 

In reply to black

Now, some socialism, if integrated right, can work in capitalistic societies.


Bro, did you even read the article posted by pelon?

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 13:34:46 

In reply to Ayenmol

Yet you all think this will change.


Nothing changes in a society filled with Ayenmols. That's for sure.

 
black 2019-03-12 13:39:37 

In reply to SnoopDog


Bro, did you even read the article posted by pelon?


I don't have time, will read it later.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 13:41:10 

In reply to black

I don't have time, will read it later.


I suggest you do Bro. It's a great read.

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 13:53:19 

In reply to SnoopDog

Capitalism operates on the premise that anyone can become successful with hard work and dedication


black's posts are truly fascinating like that.

Start with a faulty premise.
When shown the premise is faulty continue the debate nonetheless.

Cmon black use google.

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 13:54:31 

In reply to black

I don't have time, will read it later.


No one here believes you don't have time lol

 
black 2019-03-12 13:57:00 

In reply to nick2020

Come on dude, who the fcuk is asking for text book definition? That's why I used the word, "premise".

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 13:59:26 

In reply to black

But what Nick is saying (and I agree) is that your premise itself is faulty.

And a premise is usually based, even loosely, on a definition of the subject matter. Is it not?

 
black 2019-03-12 14:02:26 

In reply to SnoopDog

I was talking about the "intent".

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 14:07:30 

In reply to black

I was talk about the "intent".


Sorry Bro. You were talking about pie in the sky Murican propaganda.

Half the country should be filthy fucking rich if everyone was rewarded for hard work and dedication.

 
black 2019-03-12 14:10:41 

In reply to SnoopDog


prem·ise

/ˈpreməs/

noun

1.

LOGIC

a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion.

"if the premise is true, then the conclusion must be true"

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 14:12:12 

In reply to black

Come on dude, who the fcuk is asking for text book definition? That's why I used the word, "premise".


But black honestly people cannot know what you mean unless you say what you mean.

If I tell look at my new "white" car and you go looking in the parking lot and cannot find it only for me to mean the exterior is black but the interior is white can you blame someone for not finding the car?

Second point that I have brought up before is your topic and premise do not make any sense whatsoever. The whole thing is incoherent and it makes one wonder if you understand the subject matter.

Has capitalism been to [sic] successful (for some) for its own good? - Nothing wrong with this statement.
Capitalism operates on the premise that anyone can become successful with hard work and dedication - Huh? Capitalism does not operate under that premise. You mean the "American Dream".

But so as not to be difficult we understand the point you are trying to put forward. Carry on.

The Super Rich: The Unjust New World of Global Capitalism

In The Super-Rich , Stephen Haseler describes the dangerous growing tensions caused throughout the West by the triumphant new global capitalism. In a book for students of politics, economics and sociology, and the general reader, he outlines how a new global super-rich caste has emerged during a period in which the traditional 'middle-class' is facing serious insecurity and income loss. He argues that this new super-rich capitalism, if not balanced by a renewal of the state and community, will not only destroy politics and governance, but democracy as well, and he shows exactly how the European Union, and other embryonic 'regional' super-states, can combat these excesses of globalization, and restore a more 'social democratic' society.

 
black 2019-03-12 14:18:16 

In reply to nick2020

Well, you are fcuking retarded.

Did anyone else question the premise until you jumped in?

Stay off my threads!

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 14:19:56 

In reply to black


Did anyone else question the premise until you jumped in?


Ummm...I did. lol

Capitalism operates on the premise that anyone can become successful with hard work and dedication


That's not capitalism. That's Murican pipe dream propaganda.

 
black 2019-03-12 14:22:35 

In reply to SnoopDog

Yes, after he said something.

I did not say it was not a faulty premise. lol

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-12 14:23:59 

In reply to black

Yes, after he said something.


Go to page 1. Look at the very first reply to this thread.

 
black 2019-03-12 14:29:26 

In reply to SnoopDog


Go to page 1. Look at the very first reply to this thread.


And that is fine, that's why we are having a debate but Nick was just being simplistic.

I read your post.

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 14:36:45 

In reply to black

No black.

You just prefer to be that way towards me. Let us not pretend it is anything else.

Who de cow like it lick. Who it hate it kick.

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 14:38:45 

In reply to SnoopDog

Go to page 1. Look at the very first reply to this thread.


That is life.

Nick was just being simplistic.


Sigh. I try not to be mean but I worry about black.

 
black 2019-03-12 14:45:22 

In reply to nick2020

Go back and read the definition of "premise".

Idiot!

 
black 2019-03-12 14:57:05 

In reply to nick2020

You are the one that called me a "simpleton" and had to turn around and apologize for being WRONG.

Remember that?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 15:01:38 

In reply to SnoopDog

Nothing changes in a society filled with Ayenmols


Tell us sir, for whom does it change, for sure?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 15:04:07 

In reply to SnoopDog

SnoopDog3/12/19 12:41:10 PM
In reply to black

I don't have time, will read it later.


I suggest you do Bro. It's a great read.


It has not occurred to you that thi man does not read?

People who don't read are like drug adicts, they always gonna do it later while needing to do it now!

 
Runs 2019-03-12 15:06:48 

In reply to pelon

Thanks for sharing, he nailed it.

 
black 2019-03-12 15:09:38 

In reply to Ayenmol

It has not occurred to you that thi man does not read? 

People who don't read are like drug adicts, they always gonna do it later while needing to do it now!


You are an IDIOT. lol

You don't have a job, I do.

Knocking on doors is not a job.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 15:37:00 

In reply to black

You start again?

Then when i speak the truth you get all offended.

Whhy not let sleeping dogs lie?

Have you read the article?

 
black 2019-03-12 15:46:14 

In reply to Ayenmol

Don't you think you are being silly?

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 16:57:55 

In reply to black

Remember that?


Yes I do. I was wrong.

 
mikesiva 2019-03-12 17:06:59 

The history of the North Atlantic countries has always been about the wealthy elite using one system after another to exploit the poorer masses, and using them to enrich themselves.

Capitalism is just the latest of those exploitative systems.

 
black 2019-03-12 17:07:52 

In reply to pelon

Very interesting read, everything is the opposite from what we believe.

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 17:12:20 

In reply to Ayenmol

black tries really hard to project the image that:

1. He has a job
2. He spends lots of time doing this job

Here are the timestamps of black's posts in this thread

3/12/19 8:42:29 AM
3/12/19 11:15:28 AM
3/12/19 11:22:52 AM
3/12/19 11:33:24 AM
(Guys read this articlesmile - 3/12/19 11:36:14 AM
3/12/19 11:52:19 AM
3/12/19 12:11:09 PM
3/12/19 12:49:21 PM
3/12/19 1:30:16 PM
3/12/19 1:39:37 PM (I don't have time, will read it later.)
3/12/19 1:57:00 PM
3/12/19 2:02:26 PM
3/12/19 2:10:41 PM
3/12/19 2:18:16 PM
3/12/19 2:22:35 PM
3/12/19 2:29:26 PM
3/12/19 2:45:22 PM
3/12/19 2:57:05 PM
3/12/19 3:09:38 PM
3/12/19 4:57:55 PM

From the time he responded to Snoop's suggestion to read pelon's link (I have nothing else to go by as I don't know when he actually read pelon's post) until his second last post he posted 11 times in 3 hours, of which 7 were in the 2pm window alone.

This does not sound like the actions of a busy man at work nor a man with no time to read an article on the internet.

How Capitalism Made Americans Poor, and Socialism Made Europeans Rich
umair haque
Sep 16, 2018 12min Read

12 minutes.

A physics professor once told a class this principle but he likened it to students in a classroom. He called the students who don't know and don't know that the don't know the most dangerous. sad

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 17:13:01 

In reply to black

Very interesting read, everything is the opposite from what we believe.


This is good news!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 17:21:25 

In reply to nick2020

Lol...to copy a veteran poster...jus laugh.

If you had to believe these people words you would go crazy.

Buncha flawed people trying to make you think they are more than they are.

I just try to ensure am truthful and honest while staying true to myself and my faith.

People can put on airs all they want, am not easily fooled.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 17:24:05 

Btw, he lives in Texas so subtract an hour...he woke up at 7:42 dropped either his wwife to work or his kids to School, then post post post! Lol.

 
black 2019-03-12 17:24:28 

In reply to nick2020

Wow!!!

I wish I had that much time to do all that.

What his the point of all this?

 
black 2019-03-12 17:25:38 

In reply to Ayenmol and nick

Why are you hating?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 17:26:24 

In reply to black

According to the timeline, you do...when you not reading the post, you are posting...not much time left for anything.

I dare you to go 1 week without posting!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 17:29:01 

In reply to black

Why are you hating?


Is that like Tmans fake news? Whenever faced with undeniable facts, we hating?

1 week.

Show us you have a life!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 17:33:37 

A month ago today it was A Friday, you said you off that is why you engaged me for a day, and claimed i was a vagrant...i have not been on since....one month...i come back and here you are, doing the exact same....

Are you off today also?

1 week! I dare you....

You have a life? Take a week off and show us you have something else that takes up your time!

 
nick2020 2019-03-12 17:56:04 

In reply to Ayenmol

A week off from the only work he actually does? lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 18:00:36 

In reply to black

Very interesting read, everything is the opposite from what we believe.


Who's we? You did not read the article.

I found the article to be a good read, but stopped about halfway through as it seemed quite redundant.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 18:04:35 

In reply to nick2020

Not too long ago he started a thread on addictions.

Projecting.

Hey Black, for every week you stay away i will do two!

 
black 2019-03-12 18:06:58 

In reply to Ayenmol and nick

The people on here are not stupid, they know it's jealousy and resentment.

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out which one applies to you. lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 18:17:13 

In reply to black

Jealous of what?

Envious of what?

 
black 2019-03-12 18:20:00 

In reply to Ayenmol

Both of you act like little bitches.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-12 18:26:44 

In reply to black

Because we expose your lies and misrepresentation?

 
pelon 2019-03-12 21:55:11 

In reply to Runs

Cheers bro, good article indeed.

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 05:00:05 

In reply to Ayenmol

black derives a sense of importance to posting threads on this platform. After all it is important to him so it must be important to everyone. He believes he is good at it and the proof is in the overwhelming responses he gets to his topics.

We are jealous of this and no amount of denial will convince black otherwise. Actually, explaining this whole thing likely strengthens his conviction.

I wonder if he was jealous of TUS.

 
sudden 2019-03-13 07:23:24 

In reply to nick2020

i hope you are not attempting to discourage one fanatic by encouraging another

 
sudden 2019-03-13 07:26:33 

In reply to pelon

that was a v interesting article on Capitalism which is nothing more than upgraded feudalism in my opinion

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 09:13:35 

In reply to nick2020

We are jealous of this and no amount of denial will convince black otherwise. Actually, explaining this whole thing likely strengthens his conviction.

I wonder if he was jealous of TUS.


I have told him as much.

Also brought to his attention how those who go all out in seeking attention on this board eventually vanish into the ether, usually ashamed and exposed.

He has pulled back a bit in the extravagant post...

We shall see if he adjust for longevity.

Have not seen him for close to 12 hours.

Maybe he is silently attempting the week off.

How long will he last?

 
black 2019-03-13 09:15:01 

In reply to nick2020



n reply to Ayenmol 

black derives a sense of importance to posting threads on this platform. After all it is important to him so it must be important to everyone. He believes he is good at it and the proof is in the overwhelming responses he gets to his topics. 

We are jealous of this and no amount of denial will convince black otherwise. Actually, explaining this whole thing likely strengthens his conviction.


First you accused me of starting too many threads, I have cut back on my threads but yet you continue to disrupt them.

There are two individuals on here that post way more than me (you know who they are) but you say nothing to them.

Why is that?

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 10:49:52 

In reply to sudden

i hope you are not attempting to discourage one fanatic by encouraging another


Medicine has side effects. Don't you read your Viagra bottle?

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 11:01:11 

In reply to black

black thread #1
nick2020
3/11/19 1:19:11 PM

In reply to VIX

lol

black thread #2
0 posts from me

black thread #3
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black thread #4
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black post #6
nick2020
3/7/19 8:08:06 AM

In reply to nitro

Wait

So you are saying DT offered to pardon Cohen?

black post #7
0 posts from me

black post #8
0 posts from me

That is all I have time to go through now but you are clearly incorrect.

 
black 2019-03-13 11:03:42 

In reply to nick2020

Come on Nick, I was not born yesterday. Anytime a thread start to gain traction, you move in to disrupt it.

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 11:32:30 

In reply to black

Who needs Manafort got to 2 pages and my response was on topic and not disruptive. The one in response to nitro. Trump in a selfie also got to page 2 and my response was a lol to VIX.

My first post on this thread came at page 2. The reason why it made it to page 4 was in part because of my "disruptive" posts. Else this may have made it to page 3 at best. Also am I psychic that I know which of your posts would not go the distance?

You have created an alternate and fascinating bubble to live in. But I know this as you seem to derive an unnatural sense of importance posting here. Maybe your time posting riddles was like crack and you are hooked on the attention.

 
black 2019-03-13 11:43:55 

In reply to nick2020

I don't have time to respond to all your nonsense but the Manafort post was current news, it would be pretty obvious what you were trying to do.

And, you can tell if a thread is gaining traction by the speed in which it is moving.

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 12:00:31 

In reply to black

Point taken on judging the speed of a thread.

As I am not a prolific post starter I wouldn't know those things.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 12:58:31 

If not for mine and nik's input this thread woulda been dead on the first page!

It was dead from the time pelon posted that link debunking your sheeple belief that capitalism is successful.

Of course you never read it or had anything of value to say about it...but you started the thread...tells you all you need to know about why you start threads!

 
black 2019-03-13 13:01:56 

In reply to Ayenmol

Nonsense. Go back to the beginning of the thread.

Look, I would be perfectly happy if you stayed away from my threads.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:08:46 

In reply to black

Impost wherever i choose. Deal with it.

If i posted something today about the Bible you would be there defacating on it.

But you have the audacity to attack people because they expose you as a fraud!

You act like this is some thought provoking thread. The only item of value posted to the thread was pelon's link...and you paid it no mind!

Please!

 
black 2019-03-13 13:11:07 

In reply to Ayenmol

Dude, I post stuff just like anyone else.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Are you gay?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:23:49 

In reply to black

Trump in selfie with pimp

by black (32 replies : 1 2 )

Anyone here actually prefer colder climates?

by black (46 replies : 1 2)

Leadership

by black (4 replies)

The changing of the media

by black (1 replies)

If the "average Joe" did what Manafort did.....

by black (19 replies)

Warren wants to break up big tech companies

by black (4 replies)

Stellar batting record there bob...

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Are you gay?


I thought you were woke? Why are you using gay as a slam? Are you saying that unlike your pretense you are in fact a closet homophobe?

 
black 2019-03-13 13:29:05 

In reply to Ayenmol

You are brilliant!!!

Is that why you follow that gutter bullshit?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:29:47 

In reply to black

Oh so you admit that you are a peddler of that?

 
sudden 2019-03-13 13:30:03 

In reply to black

black i dont always support what you lead with but i support your right to post.

you are being tag teamed by ole St Nick and a fanatic

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:33:46 

In reply to sudden

Lol...here it is...how many times has he tag and trippled team me?

Where were you then?

rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

Please... i gues the bully getting sympathy....why? Because he is being confronted with the truth?

I tell you boy.

How many times have you been part of a tag team against me?

At least we are confronting him with stuff relevant to the MB!!!



A man who constantly attacks and disrespects people on their belief and lifestyle, now crying because he is confronted with the truth!

Ha!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:37:49 

In reply to black

Trump in selfie with pimp

by black (32 replies : 1 2 )

Anyone here actually prefer colder climates?

by black (46 replies : 1 2)

Leadership

by black (4 replies)

The changing of the media

by black (1 replies)

If the "average Joe" did what Manafort did.....

by black (19 replies)

Warren wants to break up big tech companies

by black (4 replies)

Stellar batting record there bob...

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Are you gay?


I thought you were evolved? Why are you using gay as a slam? Are you saying that unlike your pretense you are in fact a closet homophobe.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:38:53 

In reply to sudden

Definition of fanatic (Entry 1 of 2)
1 disapproving : a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion toward some controversial matter (as in religion or politics)
a religious fanatic [=extremist]
The fanatics are convinced they are serving a righteous cause and that all means are justified …
— Flora Lewis
2 : a person who is extremely enthusiastic about and devoted to some interest or activity


Since you attack me as such...please expound on how am a fanatic here...

 
sudden 2019-03-13 13:45:55 

In reply to Ayenmol

if the shoe fits wear it- with due respect to the late great Bob Marley

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 13:57:24 

In reply to sudden

Shoe fits?

Oh so you wanna attack me as a fanatic with no proof or validity while denouncing me for conversing based on facts?

Nice. I guess you are still nursing your boo boo too.

 
pelon 2019-03-13 14:12:35 

In reply to sudden

if the shoe fits wear it- with due respect to the late great Bob Marley

sidenote: cap. who the CAP fit - let them wear it! lol lol

 
sudden 2019-03-13 14:18:44 

In reply to pelon

couldnt disgrace Bob so. that loony deserves a shoe thrown at him. uh mean Black could be a nuisance but this guy takes the bread... uh mean cake big grin

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 15:07:57 

In reply to pelon

sudden is a cawmerian true and true lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 15:12:12 

In reply to sudden

guy takes the bread... uh mean cake


Because you can't debate me?

You upset because you can't debate me! Period. I hardly post new threads...

Wait were'nt you one of the alebron defenders?

That must be what you sore about....i was proven right and you seething!

Oh well. Doh hate the player. Hate the game!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 15:22:31 

In reply to sudden

Yeah...i remember now...you were one of those who took it personal regarding Lebron.

You called me all sorts of names when i posted early the Lakers losing record...you called me a fool...gang up on me with Jah jah, said i was a fool, hater, basketball illiterate, it is early, the Lakers gonna be a 4 or 5 seed blah blah.


So now that i have been proven right instead of exorcising your demons you prefer to hate on me and attack me under pretense rather than be a man.

Too bad!

Better to just face your being wrong than hold a grudge.

Hate is not good for the soul.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 15:38:19 

In reply to sudden

couldnt disgrace Bob so. that loony deserves a shoe thrown at him. uh mean Black could be a nuisance but this guy takes the bread... uh mean cake


If you thought poster "ToldUso" was certified, this fcuker Ayenmol is batshyte crazy squared infinity.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 15:40:07 

In reply to SnoopDog

Easy to call people names when you dislike them and can't dismiss them on facts!

Am happy when people like you hate me!


See how easy i shut sudden up. Truth!

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 15:44:35 

In reply to Ayenmol

Easy to call people names when you dislike them and can't dismiss them on facts!


The only stone cold facts which apply to you are your obvious paranoia, nonsensical ramblings, and batshyte crazy religious beliefs.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 15:46:00 

In reply to Ayenmol

See how easy i shut sudden up.


More than likely the poor man was exacerbated trying to talk sense into you and decided to call it a day.

 
black 2019-03-13 15:47:25 

In reply to SnoopDog

Follow the word

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 15:52:42 

In reply to black

Ice Cube the Wise. lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 15:53:23 

In reply to SnoopDog

What paranoia? Baseless...since you are the one paranoid about a system being corrupt base on it doing business as usual...the sky is falling!


Nonsensical ramblings?
You mean like how you keep rambling bout your deep belief in Evolution but can yet provide any proof life came from a big bang?

Crazy Religious belief? Ha...there is more proof of Creation than what you claim tk believe that you are yet to prove!

I have made you look silly so many times on here am honored by your hate.

Plus no one else here pretends to be happy yet is so volatile and easily angered as you.

Lawyer? I see nothing that resembles the qualities of a Lawyer.

You seem like a petty, insecure temperamental man.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 15:56:23 

In reply to Ayenmol

Nonsensical ramblings?


Your Honour, I present to the court and jury Exhibit "A":

What paranoia? Baseless...since you are the one paranoid about a system being corrupt base on it doing business as usual...the sky is falling!

You mean like how you keep rambling bout your deep belief in Evolution but can yet provide any proof life came from a big bang?

Crazy Religious belief? Ha...there is more proof of Creation than what you claim tk believe that you are yet to prove!

I have made you look silly so many times on here am honored by your hate.

Plus no one else here pretends to be happy yet is so volatile and easily angered as you.

Lawyer? I see nothing that resembles the qualities of a Lawyer.

You seem like a petty, insecure temperamental man.

 
Runs 2019-03-13 15:59:31 

In reply to Ayenmol

Which island are you from? Surely not a Cawmerian lol

 
black 2019-03-13 16:01:13 

In reply to SnoopDog

lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 16:12:15 

In reply to Runs

No idea what a cawmerian is...what does where am from have to do with who i am?

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 16:15:28 

In reply to SnoopDog

That's called a point by point rebuttal.

Something you can't do because you never answer a question or attempt to make a logical point based on facts. Just idle speak and proliferation of hateful and unsubstantiated attacks backed by nothing but your own idea of reality.

 
Runs 2019-03-13 16:15:37 

In reply to Ayenmol

Why are you answering a question with a question? lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 16:16:59 

In reply to Runs

Same reason you are.

Are we going to play games now to try trap each other than debate on merit?

Because i do not care for such exchanges...it's becoming a thing now, whenever someone disagrees with you lot and uses basic logic backed by facts that renders your point moot, you start attacking them on frivolities.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 16:17:59 

In reply to Ayenmol

Nonsensical ramblings?


Your honour, if it pleases the court, Exhibit "B":

That's called a point by point rebuttal.

Something you can't do because you never answer a question or attempt to make a logical point based on facts. Just idle speak and proliferation of hateful and unsubstantiated attacks backed by nothing but your own idea of reality.

 
SnoopDog 2019-03-13 16:19:36 

In reply to Runs

Why are you answering a question with a question?


That's just how it works in Coocooland Bro. lol

 
sudden 2019-03-13 17:06:52 

In reply to Ayenmol

See how easy i shut sudden up. Truth!


you sure did mate. the truth is, from your ramblings, i confirmed you are indeed a loony

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 17:08:54 

In reply to sudden

Loony? Dispute the fact that we had a discussion on the value of Lebron and the hype!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 17:10:03 

In reply to sudden

Dispute the fact that outside of that i have had no interactions with you!

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 17:12:32 

In reply to sudden

Am loony because i get the better of you all over and over again!

That makes you all mad.

Or go ahead and tell me what i have done otherwise that makes me all of a sudden...loony..all of a sudden am rambling? Wonder where that came from?

Stealing whatever others say to mask your feelings of inadequacy?

 
sudden 2019-03-13 17:22:16 

In reply to Ayenmol

Yeah...i remember now...you were one of those who took it personal regarding Lebron.

You called me all sorts of names when i posted early the Lakers losing record...you called me a fool...gang up on me with Jah jah, said i was a fool, hater, basketball illiterate, it is early, the Lakers gonna be a 4 or 5 seed blah blah.


So now that i have been proven right instead of exorcising your demons you prefer to hate on me and attack me under pretense rather than be a man.

Too bad!

Better to just face your being wrong than hold a grudge.

Hate is not good for the soul.



Loony we have never had any conversation about Lebron or basketball. i have never ever discussed any sport on this MB outside of cricket not even tennis and i play tennis.

i will grant that you could have been mistaken. but then you developed a whole theme around something that did not occur to advance an argument about it.

you need to get help.

 
black 2019-03-13 17:34:03 

In reply to sudden


i will grant that you could have been mistaken. but then you developed a whole theme around something that did not occur to advance an argument about it


Maybe he had a dream about it or it's some sort of brainwashing technique. lol

Watch out, he is trying to convert you. lol

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 17:38:12 

In reply to sudden

Really? So explain your hate for me then!

If i had not had anything to do with you why do you hate me?

 
sudden 2019-03-13 17:51:31 

In reply to Ayenmol

hate you? why would you think i hate you?

i have your best interest at heart, mate.that is why i say you need help

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 18:02:29 

In reply to sudden

Awww....thanks.

So tell me, since you have my best interest at heart, where exactly i am blundering and causing mmyself harm?

 
nick2020 2019-03-13 19:03:54 

In reply to sudden

You cannot play tennis. Who you fooling?

 
sudden 2019-03-13 20:08:34 

In reply to Ayenmol

So tell me, since you have my best interest at heart, where exactly i am blundering and causing mmyself harm?


by posting

 
sudden 2019-03-13 20:09:00 

In reply to nick2020

Dont believe everything Powen says big grin

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-13 20:40:21 

In reply to sudden

Ahhh...so you just want me to srop posting...hmmm...because posting does what to me?

 
Norm 2019-03-14 01:15:30 

Good to see Black encouraging discussions again. Not good to see that Black still has some of the worst lead posts!

Capitalism is "successful" just like slavery - for a minority, but it never made promises to anyone, unlike ideologies such as socialism.

Lacking political objectives, however, is probably the reason for over production, depletion of essential resources and concerns about the long-term sustainability of capitalist economies. So, if by "too successful for its own good" you were alluding to long-term sustainability, the answer is probably "Yes, capitalism as currently practiced, is not sustainable in the long term."

 
black 2019-03-14 07:17:41 

In reply to Norm

I was alluding to the fact that socialism is becoming more popular in America. Capitalism has delivered, big time for some but it's also leaving some behind.

 
nick2020 2019-03-14 08:52:34 

In reply to black

I was alluding to the fact that socialism is becoming more popular in America.


The system is broken and will never support it as constructed. Too many Americans are uninformed and gullible and that is a bad combination. Legislators are elected and drive policy. The person with big money donors has an unfair advantage getting a message to the voters. Elected officials are beholden to their donors.

Healthcare is broken. Everyone wants it but not everyone can afford it. The solution is always to fix the system but you need to educate the people first.

 
sudden 2019-03-14 08:59:18 

In reply to nick2020

the problem with educating people first is that these people dont want to learn so you must show them practically and even then there is a problem.

see how many wanted to get rid of ObamaCare but not the ACA

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 09:14:07 

In reply to sudden

That depends on whether you consider propaganda education.

 
Runs 2019-03-14 10:52:04 

Lotsa folks need to emancipate themselves from mental slavery and judge each other by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin first. wink

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 11:00:29 

In reply to Runs

Interesting...because right here on this board i see people siding with color of skin above content of charachter...some of your closest associates in fact!

Never once haave i seen you disagree.

 
pelon 2019-03-14 11:00:29 

In reply to Norm

Capitalism is "successful" just like slavery - for a minority, but it never made promises to anyone, unlike ideologies such as socialism.
Masterclass in about 20 words.

 
sudden 2019-03-14 11:06:27 

In reply to pelon

you find so? Capitalism by its very nature does not have to make promises whilst promises for want of a better word is implicit in socialism.

i find the explanation by Norm a bit trite if not redundant

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 11:09:01 

In reply to pelon

it never made promises to anyone, unlike ideologies such as socialism.


Disagree completely.

Well worded? Yes. Capitalism is an ideology. It does not speak for itself or exist outside the realm of it's proponents.

The entire premise of the thread is based on the belief in it's promise.

That is all i will say on this Political issue.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 11:24:08 

There are pros and cons to every form of Government, Governance and ideology that is used to lead mankind.

People are quick to point out the cons of that they oppose while touting the prose of whatever selfishly works for them.

Fact is though that there are benefactors and disenfranchised created in every one of these.

None results in 5he happiness of all it's citizens.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 11:39:49 

Quite frankly, if you want to dig deeper, none of these in and of themselves contribute directly to anyone's happiness!

 
pelon 2019-03-14 12:07:03 

In reply to sudden

Capitalism is exploitative.
Socialism distributive.

Neither effective for ALL, both with flaws yet the balance is a hybrid

 
Runs 2019-03-14 12:58:23 

#Saudi business man, Sheik Suleiman Al-Rahji has donated so much money, that he kicked himself out of the billionaires club. As of 2011, his wealth was estimated by Forbes to be $7.7 billion, making him the 120th richest person in the world.

Al-Rajhi is a billionaire who chose to become a poor man at his own will without having any cash or real estates or stocks that he owned earlier. He became penniless after transferring all his assets among his children and set aside the rest for charity.

Once an interviewer asked him, So Sheikh Suleiman, have you become a poor man again?
Yes. Now I own only my dresses. I distributed my wealth among my children and set aside a portion for endowment to run charity projects. As far as I am concerned, this situation was not a strange one. My financial condition reached zero point two times in my life, and therefore I have had the feeling and understanding (about poverty) well. But now the feeling is accompanied by happiness, relaxation and the peace of mind. The zero phase in life this time is purely because of my own decision and choice.

why did you choose this path?
All wealth belongs to Allah, and we are only those who are entrusted (by God) to take care of them. There were several reasons that prompted me to distribute the wealth and that resulted in performing this virtue. Most important among them is to foster brotherhood and love among my children and safeguard their harmonious relationship. This is more significant than any wealth in this life. I was also keen not to be instrumental in wasting the precious time of courts in case of any differences of opinion among them with regard to partition of inheritance. There are several examples that everybody could see when children entered in dispute over wealth and that led to the collapse of companies. Nation has lost many large companies and their wealth that we could have been saved if we tackled the matter in a right manner. Apart from this, every Muslim should work on some endowments that could benefit him in the life after death.

 
Ayenmol 2019-03-14 13:08:34 

In reply to Runs

That is a wonderful thing to do and kudos to the sheik.

If every single billionaire did the same would that change the plight of the World still?