Exaggerated sayings

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link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:19:32 PM 
In reply to pelon

I guess you have problems with understanding the written word.

Which one of your above reasons is in harmony with hyperbole/

And i have actually directly mentioned multiple times?

Or you trying to beat a dead horse because you yhink this is the jewel that renders the Bible mute that no one else has been able to discover?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:22:42 PM 
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easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye: Jesus is using hyperbole to illustrate a point. Just as a literal camel cannot go through the eye of an actual sewing needle, it is impossible for a rich man to enter the Kingdom if he continues to put his riches ahead of his relationship with Jehovah. Jesus did not mean that no wealthy person would inherit the Kingdom, for he went on to say: “With God all things are possible.”​—Mt 19:26.


This is from our Study Bible.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:32:00 PM 
48“I am the bread of life.49Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness and yet they died.50This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die.51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.”52Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying: “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”53So Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.54Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day;55for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink.56Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him.



66Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him.67So Jesus said to the Twelve: “You do not want to go also, do you?”


Was Jesus lying here?

Was he promoting canibalism?

Or was it a figure of speech used to make a more salient point?

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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3/14/19 1:40:50 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

While you did indeed spin and spin and spin your BS, I will re-post, as you try desperately to recover....

Jesus said: "It is the smallest of all seeds"

I give you a choice:

a. he lied (he knew better)
b. he did not know at the time it was NOT the smallest seed, and an honest mistake.
c. he knew, but because of audience, he said it was the smallest seed of all seeds.

Can you answer to the choice given??

While you spin your bread/flesh bullshit, it will not work in a quantitative statement such as "SMALLEST OF ALL".

For example: 'my cup overflows' is different to 'i have the largest cup of all cups and it has overflowed'. One is an outright metaphor, the other is a quantitative statement with a metaphor.

Please, as you attempt to skirt the issue, if your Elders said the Toyota Prius is the fastest of all cars... would you accept it as fact? Would it be RIGHT to tell the congregation this untruth?

Do not compare quantitative speech with all other speech - out of your own convenience.

You carry on.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:44:44 PM 
You see.

People like to look at the cons and not the pros.

They speak out of both sides of their mouth.

On the one hand they curse you for living by Bible principles....on the other hand they want to claim you don't have knowledge.

Like the people who attack me about going from house to house....then pop a question and claim i am unaware of it!

Like someone who plays a war game as a sniper telling Chris Kyle that he does not understand the principles of being a sniper.

How can you make fun of me for going from house to house then claim i am not aware of X issue that you most likely learned on the internet?

You think you are the only one?

You think we do not daily face Pastors, Ministers, Governmental officials, professors etc etc etc? You think we do not hear it all/ Face to face?

I mean its like you all just blind your minds to what happens when people expose themselves to the Public.

We hear it all, and give a Witness to all!

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:45:55 PM 
In reply to pelon

futile.

You found a dead horse and now, as i said earlier you beating it to the bone while talking about the use of hyperbole.

Argue with yourself.

Now you understand what i meant to Bravos?

If you are so aware of this point why are you now bringing it up and acting like the entire origin of Jesus rest on it?

Is it so farfetched to believe that Jesus used as emphasis to teach people in his day, ideas they were familiar with?

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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3/14/19 1:53:25 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

It is plain to see you have no real defense to the "smallest of all seeds" nor an actual (focused) response, instead you deflect..... but thank you for your time.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 1:58:49 PM 
In reply to pelon

No it is plain to see you just learned this and are fixated on it while ignoring the obvious....You are seeking a sign where there is none!

You are using a teaching lesson to claim a scientific blunder.


I gave you another instance where Jesus uses a thought that is in opposition to what the Bible itself says on it's surface that illustrates that for Teaching purposes Jesus used used items that were contrary to what you would expect!

But you have learned a new thought and you, like a rabid dog will not let go because it bolsters your already held belief!

Futile....so you will keep believing what you do. and i what i do....live long and prosper.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 2:02:42 PM 
Just imagine...you come here claiming I do not understand hyperbole...now you are seeking to take hyperbole as fact!

Cyah make this stuff up!

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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3/14/19 2:13:39 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

You still side-shifting? Sad.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 2:31:42 PM 
In reply to pelon

side shifting what?

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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3/14/19 4:05:24 PM 
In reply to pelon

You clearly had some down time lol

The Bible came up with a concept of an Ark that housed everything on the planet.

Be thankful Ayenmol isn't SDA. They literally hang on to every word in the good book. Much like Ayenmol. But I believe he still eats pork and drinks alcohol. lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 4:32:31 PM 
In reply to nick2020

Most of what the Bible says is written in parabbels.

But this is not the case here. This is a teacher using a well known subject to drive a point home. He was not educating them on what the smallest seed on the Earth was but drawing a paralell between the smallest seed they know and what it becomes as it relates to faith.

Any well meaning person can frasp that!

Of course if i were to use the scripture where the Bible deliberately touches on Science they dismiss that...

16 Your eyes even saw me as an embryo; All its parts were written in your book Regarding the days when they were formed, Before any of them existed.


Centuries later this proved to be accurate in describing the Human cell and DNA....but they will tell you coincidence!

There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth,And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze,And he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.


Another...A time when no one was arguing the Earth is spherical....Let him explain that....Is that not way more significant than playing gotcha with an obvious teaching tool for emphasis?

Is it by your understanding that the falcon soars,Spreading its wings to the south? 27 Or is it at your order that an eagle flies upwardAnd builds its nest high up,28 Spending the night on a cliff,Dwelling in its stronghold on a rocky crag? 29 From there it searches for food;Its eyes look far into the distance.


Or here where every statement made speaks of physics that were discovered years later? Like how falcons use the thermals to soar and not the flapping of their wings....Or the eyesight of the Eagle...How ot spots it's prey from it's very high perch?

This was not hyperbole...this was Jehovah actually extolling his Creative works....find here where he was wrong....

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 4:36:32 PM 
But they ignore these while dwelling on figures of speech and teaching tools that were not meant to educate on undiscovered fact.
What would have happened if Jesus had mentioned the real smallest seed?

Which one of them would grasp his point?

They would have called him mad and further distracted from his message!

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/14/19 5:42:19 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

now you getting me fucking angry I wanted someone else to post it idiot..

Some posters use their brain and have tact etiquette amd strategy,setting the stage for a poster like pelon to endorse your position is much more valuable..

I know everything about the bible that's why its a joke to me.

Get to know your Bible son..

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/14/19 5:48:16 PM 
Meaning you know the Bible better than me...thanks for proving my point!

Yet pelon had to point it out 47 minutes after my post.

If you were so aware why were you unable to come back with the example?



And because I have a business,5 sons,a nice wifey,2 Huskys and a whole heap a birds to tend..

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/14/19 5:55:46 PM 
In reply to pelon

You talking about Prius an ting bro,had it been left to them we would still be on mules and chariots at best..and Jesus would've cometh again in some other barren land and the even newer testament would be already out..

Thank God for technology and communication etc..


Man died of his teeth in child birth and crawled on his belly in pain and diseases to where we are today, with no favors from
the god of bible, the bible wasn't even aware of earlier struggles... .

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 6:17:11 PM 
In reply to bravos

Man you can get upset all you want. It is your personality.

Nothing you just said makes any sense.

You are right...thank God for communication and tech...the laws he put into place makes it possible....mankind discovers, man does not create!

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/14/19 6:22:44 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

You are right...

thank God for communication and tech


It's called hyperbole.. redface

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/14/19 6:24:22 PM 
And that's called full circle.

Goodbye Ayenmol.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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3/14/19 6:33:15 PM 
In reply to bravos

No it's called insanity.

I cannot fathom why you are so inclined to be so upset.

You denigrate my God and my beliefs!

You swear at me.

Express hurtful desires towards me.

Yet i pose no threat to you. I will never ever meet you in real life.

You aspire to see me erased from the Earth, while i pose no threat to you.

Yet you will never attack a muslim in that way.

Although they believe in God and have been known to cause harm to others. You will not dare speak ill of them or denigrate their God!

Why? Because you know there are consequences. So you claim you hate Religion but scared to broach those that actually cause harm, while attacking those who simply go about their business in peace.

That is not only cowardice, it's insanity.

Yet am as calm as i can be. While you claim no God but always in a angry stupor over what people believe.

But am weird!

link fatman Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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3/16/19 4:40:55 AM 
Why argue about this shite!? There is no god anyway.

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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3/16/19 9:09:44 AM 
In reply to fatman

cool

He just draws you in... smile

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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3/16/19 10:51:13 AM 
In reply to fatman

Why argue about this shite!? There is no god anyway.


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