Why is our FC not like the 70, 80s and 90s ?

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link Spoilt101 Joined: Dec 12, 2018
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3/14/19 3:33:08 PM 
Is it because of the players ability or management.

link InHindsight Joined: Feb 24, 2007
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3/14/19 5:00:09 PM 
In reply to Spoilt101

Good question.



Because we've become obsolete while the world has moved on. Both on and off the field we are playing catchup.

Sadly some are power hungry, some suffer from complexes, others don't see and still others are just plain nepotistic.

link Spoilt101 Joined: Dec 12, 2018
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3/14/19 5:56:50 PM 
In reply to InHindsight

I remember when first class cricket was just as good and exited as test matches in the Caribbean.

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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3/14/19 6:48:42 PM 
In reply to Spoilt101

As I have stated in this Forum frequently , the Greatness of Our
Players had very little to do with
the Worst International Cricket Board
in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC .

Let me remind all & Sundry , those
victories were achieved without having in the Region a Pro or Semi Pro
League .

As I have stated in this Forum many
times , the reasons for our Players
dominance in International Cricket
were tremendously helped by 2 very
important factors .

The first is the fact that the Tour Schedule of visiting Teams in those
Eras provided for many matches between the Test Matches .

These Matches , assisted visiting
Teams to bet acclimatized to both the Weather and the Pitches .

It is also very important to note
this very important factor :

IN THE REGION AT THAT TIME WE DID

NOT HAVE A REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE .

It was those matches between the Test Matches that facilitated Our
Players skills being Harnessed & Honed .

But as usual the International Cricket Conspirators decided to take
2 very important steps to dilute the
Prowess of Our Players .

The ICC decided to change its Tour
Schedule , No longer would there be
a lot of matches between the Test Matches .

Then England decided to limit the
number of Players playing Cricket in
England . My perspective is that these 2 important factors impacted
Our Players & their Competitiveness
in the International Cricket Arena .

Interestingly the WICBC were to dumb
to understand that these 2 important
factors that I have cited , unless
seriously addressed would dilute the
Competitiveness of Our Players over
Time .

THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC COULD HAVE

FORMED A REGIONAL LEAGUE TO KEEP OUR

PLAYERS CONTINUOUSLY ACTIVE .

They would have had a lot of Sponsors due to the prowess of Our
Team & Players .

HOWEVER THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC SAT

ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL & COLLECTIVE

ASSES , AND DID NOTHING UNTIL ABOUT

6 OR 7 YEARS AGO .

This at a time when the prowess of
Our Players were severely diminished
in the International Cricket Arena ; and Our Team & Players were not attractive to Potential Sponsors .

link dayne Joined: May 29, 2007
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3/14/19 7:56:02 PM 
WI regional cricket has been bad for a long time, even in the 90's standards were not that good, most of the great WI teams were made up of players that had overseas contracts

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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3/14/19 8:32:20 PM 
In reply to POINT


Let me address 2 point your made, all teams were impacted by the same situation, all touring teams schedules were compressed and all teams are impacted by reduced fc matches while touring.

England banned was not only to the WI , It targeted all cricketing nations, the standard of english cricket in the late 60 , 70 had become weak.

your 2 points of argument were common to all teams.

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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3/14/19 10:03:04 PM 
In reply to tc1

You have missed the Freaking Point I made solet me again spell it out for
Your Benefit :

WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT ALL

INTERNATIONAL TEAMS SUFFERED THE

SAME IMPACT ; WE SUFFERED MORE

SEVERELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IN

THIS REGION FOR MANY YEARS WE HAD NO

REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE .

Other International Cricket Teams
had the benefit of having Cricket Leagues . Those Cricket Leagues obviously kept their Players skills
sharply honed .

The Big Idiots in the WICBC sat on
their Asses , and did nothing until
about 6 or 7 years ago . Obviously
before this was done the Skills &
Competitiveness of Our Players were
eroding slowly but surely .

In the Glory Days of West Indies Cricket if there were competent people in the WICBC , they would have formed a Regional League with
the Support of Financial Sponsors .

FINANCIAL SPONSORS LOVE WINNERS ,

AND OUR TEAMS & PLAYERS WERE THE

BEST IN THE WORLD ; SO GETTING

SPONSORS WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY.

Unfortunately the People in the WICBC sat on their Asses and did nothing until some years ago it dawned on them to have a Regional
Cricket League .

That in my opinion was to late , because Our Players & Team were sliding down towards the Bottom of
International Cricket .

ONCE AGAIN LET ME INTERJECT THE FACT

THAT FINANCIAL SPONSORS ARE ONLY

ATTRACTED TO WINNERS , NOT LOSERS .

Winners attract Financial Sponsors ,
Losers have to abide with the dictates of whoever decides to be a
Sponsor .

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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3/14/19 10:09:13 PM 
We cannot put the Cart before the Horse and expect everything will work out o.k I cite this to illustrate the fact that the First Order of business
MUST be the removal of ALL current
Members of the WICBC .

When that is correctly done then and
only then must WE turn our Attention
to Our Players . In essence Focusing
on the Players first is utter Stupidity . I believe that most Sane
Persons in this Forum would agree with
what I have stated here .

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/14/19 11:01:31 PM 
In reply to dayne

WI regional cricket has been bad for a long time, even in the 90's standards were not that good, most of the great WI teams were made up of players that had overseas contracts

I grew up in Barbados and cricket was played by the majority of youngsters, of all colour.
We played in the road, Gully, Beach, Cartroad, where ever there was a spot, we played it.
Cricket has been competing with a number of other activities, which means the pool that was for cricket, has decrease in the last 2-3 decades.A number of six footers, who should be fast bowlers, are on the basketball court.

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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3/15/19 12:04:44 AM 
The third Rail in West Indies Cricket
is the freaking Fact that apart from
what I have stated above is the perpetual animosity & contempt those in the WICBC have for Our Players .

This contempt is stoked by various Faux Sports Journalists in the Region
who are akin to being the WICBC Lapdogs ; Happy to do the bidding of their Masters in the WICBC .

My take is that this has established
an unhealthy Gulf between those in the governance of Cricket & Our Players .

I firmly believe that unless there is harmonious Relations
between the WICBC & Our Players this
is akin to spinning a Top in Mud .

As a result in the International Cricket WE will perpetually floundering at or near the Bottom in
International Cricket .

The very fact that those in the WICBC have bluntly refused to remedy this Freaking Fact informs me
that those in the WICBC are totally
unfit to be the Stewards of West Indies Cricket .

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 8:50:19 AM 
In reply to Spoilt101 Both.

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 8:54:02 AM 
In reply to openning
I grew up in Barbados and cricket was played by the majority of youngsters, of all colour.
We played in the road, Gully, Beach, Cart road, where ever there was a spot, we played it.
… which no longer takes place, hence an additional spoke for the decline. Could this be attributed to matches being broadcast on the radio or televised as was when we were growing up, why we youngsters were enthused?

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 10:14:02 AM 
In reply to natty_forever
Youngsters have more choices, plain and simple.
A number of years ago, I was excited to join a group of youngsters, playing cricket in my village.
Most of them were Guyanese, which surprised me, because, only a few Vincies started living in my area in the late, sixties.
During the game, I notice very few of the Bajans youngsters actually bowl, they all were pelting.
All of them were in Highschool, on swimming team, none of them played cricket at school.
So different to my days, growing up
I usually watch cricket when I am home, only a few oldsters or club members watched local cricket.
So it is more than playing cricket in England, or CWI/WICB authoritarian style, that is hindering the cricket, we have a smaller pool to choose from.
Money in T20 cricket, may be the format to get youngsters choosing cricket over video games and other sports.

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 10:25:15 AM 
In reply to openning … well in Jamaica we still have inter-school cricket, which involves more schools than back in the days, so I would say more kids are playing cricket in JA. And to add there are now Prep and Primary school competitions which never happened in my day. I would say we need to review the standard of coaching at this level in order to prepare better cricketers.

link bobby Joined: Feb 14, 2003
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3/15/19 10:33:41 AM 
In my day sport was compulsory. We played cricket in the first term, football second term (rainy season) and track and field during the third term. Everyone had to participate unless they had a medical problem.
This is no longer the norm in most schools in the Caribbean.
My grandson is 8 years old and he has never played cricket at school. Only football and track are offered and only to those who want to participate.
That aside, our young people want to emulate their heroes. Thus Ronaldo, Messi, Lebron, Bolt etc.
There are NO Windies cricket stars. In the old days we wanted to bat like Sobers, Khanai, Viv etc or bowl like Hall, Griffith, Holding, Roberts etc.
Where and who are our stars today?

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 10:42:42 AM 
In reply to natty_forever
More organized cricket is being played, at the youth in Barbados also.
The question, is more youngsters competing today, as previously did?

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 11:13:24 AM 
In reply to bobby … according to Emir, Bravo, Pollard, Simmons and Narine.

big grin

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 11:14:16 AM 
In reply to openning … I think yes in Jamaica, the problem I think we have is, how good are the coaches.

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 11:25:03 AM 
In reply to natty_forever
Are you basting your discussion on organized cricket, or the percentage of children playing cricket today, than in the glory days of West Indies cricket?

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 11:26:09 AM 
In reply to openning … well in Jamaica, organized cricket. I feel we have more playing organized cricket than days gone by. Definitely not seeing kids paying in the streets or wherever as we did back in our days.

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 11:34:25 AM 
In reply to natty_forever
In Barbados competitive cricket is played from the U13 thru U19 levels, more so than before.
That does not mean more youth is playing cricket today.

My belief is less youths look at cricket, as we did growing up, so because there is more organized cricket, does not mean the same percentage of the youths is playing.

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 11:44:57 AM 
In reply to openning
That does not mean more youth is playing cricket today.
agree. But more are playing organized cricket. Hence why I feel we need to look at coaching. Why so many are coming thru "with flaws".

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 12:02:14 PM 
In reply to natty_forever
Bro, if you compare the height of our fast bowlers to the glory days, you will notice they are such shorter.
A number of the present six footers, are coming to cricket older than guys like Holding, Croft, Walsh and others.
Basketball is the sport of the day, for these guys.
BTW, I moved away from Bim, quite a few decades, but I try to follow cricket in the region, on a daily basis.

But more are playing organized cricket. Hence why I feel we need to look at coaching. Why so many are coming thru "with flaws".

A bad coach is worse than not having a coach, so becarefull what you ask for. lol lol

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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3/15/19 12:08:43 PM 
In reply to bobby
My grandson is 8 years old and he has never played cricket at school. Only football and track are offered and only to those who want to participate.

What is your take on getting youth into cricket academies, like parents sending them to piano or any other private lessons?

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 28, 2003
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3/15/19 12:28:16 PM 
In reply to openning
What is your take on getting youth into cricket academies, like parents sending them to piano or any other private lessons?
I am all for it … we would need them to exist, to be able to send them.

A group of persons here, did their own thing for mostly U11s (Doctor Bird), my son was part of such, they had the services of, arguably the best youth coach in the island (may his soul R.I.P.) and most of these have gone on to represent their high schools if not Jamaica.

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