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Why is the Guyana Cricket Board allowed to vote in CWI election?

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-19 06:22:43 

The GCB has not held elections for more than 5 years now. Good Governance by the CWI would dictate that no member of what passes for the GCB should be allowed to hold office or vote in any CWI election until they get themselves legal.

Dave Cameron as President has done nothing to force the Guyana cricket board into complying with regulations and has actually made the situation in Guyana worse by supporting the President of the GCB, because that is a vote that he can count on. As a matter of fact, Anand Senaasie refused to even meet with Skerrit and Shallow stating that nothing they had to say to the GCB is new and they would be voting for Cameron anyway.

This is an abject failure of leadership by the Dave Cameron and the CWI in monitoring what is happening locally on the boards that make up their membership. Failure of Governance in one territory is a failure of Governance in all territories

 
Emir 2019-03-19 07:57:28 

In reply to Larr Pullo

And this is part of the poison. GCB has not held an election in 6 years and there has been no pressure by the WICBC/Cameron and none within the cricket and legal fraternity.

If Cameron wins, Ricky should contest the results on the grounds that GCB bote should not be counted.

 
positiveg 2019-03-19 08:31:43 

Seems like that might be tackled by Skerritt.
Cause that might go courts.

 
camos 2019-03-19 08:34:41 

Din't Leeward had that same problems for years, there was even an election where the winner brought in non members to vote? Should this disqualify the CWI from ICC membership.

 
positiveg 2019-03-19 08:35:48 

In reply to camos

And that was straightened up with fresh elections and new board.

 
camos 2019-03-19 08:39:39 

In reply to Larr Pullo

remember there was some attempt to address the issue,when they appointed Lloyd as interim head and that did not get much public support.As long as the game is not stopped in Guyana people don't seem to care much about anything else?

 
Narper 2019-03-19 10:33:24 

In reply to camos

Current GoG supports this GCB.
The Clive Lloyd Interim Cricket Committee was an initiative of the previous government...and which the current government (which was in opposition at the time) opposed.
You see the dilemma now
Status quo is allowed to continue....Guyana winning tournaments

 
WI_cricfan 2019-03-19 10:43:24 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The GCB has not held elections for more than 5 years now.


Hmmmm. maybe this is the reason why Guyana are champs 5 yrs in a row?

 
Drapsey 2019-03-19 12:41:32 

In reply to WI_cricfan

Hmmmm. maybe this is the reason why Guyana are champs 5 yrs in a row?

So, you think the WICB should follow suit and postpone elections indefinitely? Might turn out to be a good idea if we (WI) could win something for the next 5 years.

 
camos 2019-03-19 17:17:33 

In reply to Larr Pullo

see why?

 
POINT 2019-03-19 17:40:21 

" Pot cannot call Kettle Black ". Easily explains that Conundrum .

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-19 18:33:17 

In reply to camos

I see Mason mentioning my topi, what’s up?

 
camos 2019-03-19 19:53:06 

In reply to Larr Pullo
the Guyanese here not even care, how do you expect change.

 
Norm 2019-03-19 21:56:15 

In reply to camos

Not true. Guyanese are upset that the GCB leadership was installed questionably, but they feel that only CWI could fix that, if they want to.

But that answers the lead post. GCB could vote at CWI elections because Cameron wants them to. Furthermore, Cameron will continue running CWI because the current ICC wants him to.

The only way to combat that would be with a parallel cricket organization, similar to that in the USA.

 
Pacy 2019-03-20 02:50:23 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The GCB has not held elections for more than 5 years now. Good Governance by the CWI would dictate that no member of what passes for the GCB should be allowed to hold office or vote in any CWI election until they get themselves legal.


Allowing this is what assures 2 easy votes...

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-20 03:15:14 

In reply to Norm

Whenever you comment on the GCB the internal conflict that you're struggling with just oozes out.

 
Norm 2019-03-20 04:15:13 

In reply to Larr Pullo

And what might that internal conflict be, O Wise One?

You don't understand pragmatism, it seems.

Proper elections do not guarantee progress in any organisation. Had the Demerara Cricket Board not screwed up years ago, Sanasie would not have been running Guyana cricket today. Sanasie took advantage of properly elected but corrupt officials years ago to get into the Guyana cricket.

Nevertheless, Sanasie's tenure has brought Guyana cricket extraordinary success, at both the youth and senior levels. He was never a cricketer and thus had no alliance with any specific club or cricketers. Before him, Guyana cricket teams were selected based on club and county alliances.

So, there. I put my thoughts on the matter in writing, as I always do - unlike some who talk big but never dare talk straight.

So, what internal conflicts were you mumbling about?

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-20 05:18:07 

In reply to Norm

Sanasie would not have been running Guyana cricket today. Sanasie took advantage of properly elected but corrupt officials years ago to get into the Guyana cricket.

Nevertheless, Sanasie's tenure has brought Guyana cricket extraordinary success, at both the youth and senior levels.


Do you think the children of the parents who bribed their kids way into elite colleges should be allowed to stay at those colleges? There is an easy solution, it just depends on where you stand ethically.

 
Norm 2019-03-20 05:43:18 

In reply to Larr Pullo

it just depends on where you stand ethically.

Where did those that Sanasie displaced stand ethically? "Ethics" is a an idealist myth.

BTW, "those" were originally the properly elected president of the West Demerara Cricket Association, who neglected his duties so badly that Sanasie, who never had anything to do with cricket before, was able to oust him easily. The Demerara Cricket Board then turned a blind eye to the matter, despite protests from the ousted official. Before long, Sanasie had taken over the Demerara Cricket Board too.

Chetty allowed Sanasie to take over the Guyana Cricket Board improperly when he was ready to retire.

IMO, the only candidate at the time who was truly interested in Guyana cricket was Basil Butcher. The others were all in it only for themselves, just like Sanasie claimed. Ask Mentore about the support he got from some of his prominent ex-DCC teammates, and then let us talk about "ethics".

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-20 06:11:12 

In reply to Norm

To say that Butcher was the "only" one truly interested in Guyana cricket is to display a singular lack of understanding of the dynamics at play, or you're simply being disingenuous. BTW Mentore was in the Senasie camp so the less said about him the better. Maybe that's why he didn't receive any support from said prominent ex-DCC teammates.

BTW Senasie did have a lot to do with cricket. He and others used it as a gambling vehicle by buying players and running T20 competitions. It was a way of entertaining themselves with all the Ill gotten gains they had accumulated.

 
Norm 2019-03-20 06:48:33 

In reply to Larr Pullo

a singular lack of understanding

Do you ever actually contribute anything to a discussion, or is your supposed forte merely an attempt at refuting what others say?

If you have an "understanding of the dynamics at play" then please enrich the discussion by stating what you know, or at least what you think. We don't all come here merely to flap our dentures, you know.

running T20 competitions.

There were no T20 competitions in Guyana before Sanasie became a cricket official, dude.

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-20 06:58:15 

In reply to Norm

There were no T20 competitions in Guyana before Sanasie became a cricket official, dude.


Not officially anyway....

Do you ever actually contribute anything to a discussion


I just refuted the garbage you stated, to wit, Butcher was the only party actually interested in cricket in Guyana!

 
Norm 2019-03-20 22:28:22 

In reply to Larr Pullo

You did? Just by asserting that you did, eh?

As I said, you rarely ever actually contribute anything useful to a discussion.

 
Larr Pullo 2019-03-21 04:11:58 

In reply to Norm

So your "assertion" is better than everyone else's? That what they taught you on Long Road? smile smile

 
Babylon 2019-03-21 05:52:15 

In reply to Larr Pullo

So u finally got someone to indulge yuh foolishness.
Norm just ignore this burnamite.