Message Board Archives
Cameron: Its not entirely up to me
openning
2019-03-20 12:48:35
The man is throwing everything out there.
Cricket West Indies (CWI) president Dave Cameron says Caribbean prime ministers had the power to restructure the regional governing body if they so desired, but it was not solely his responsibility to undertake reform of the organisation.
Speaking on SportsMax, Cameron argued that any governance restructuring needed to be initiated by the territorial boards which comprised CWI, and pointed out that the regional prime ministers pushing for reform could “instruct” the domestic associations accordingly.
Link Text
Kay
2019-03-20 12:58:23
I guess everyone here knows that but it's still Cameron's fault that changes are not happening....
Courtesy
2019-03-20 13:07:04
In reply to openning
Dave should answer why the WICB resisted the four main recommendations for structural reform from the Patterson Report ? If they were amenable to reform they would have implemented the Patterson Report in full.
Dave, you can only fool your fellow directors not Courtesy.
newdread
2019-03-20 13:33:43
In reply to Courtesy
Correct me if I am wrong (as I usually am) but, even if a report was commissioned by WICB / CWI that doesn't make it a fait accompli that its recommendations will be implemented.
Wouldn't those recommendations then have to go to a vote of the full board? Which may have commissioned the report for "show" to begin with.
Like I said the other day - unless and until the leadership of the territorial boards change their mindset - all efforts to dismantle, alter or change CWI structure will cause wee wee to blow back in yuh face. 
openning
2019-03-20 13:40:05
In reply to newdread
I disagree, MLK, Nelson Mandela initiate change.
Just saying.
bobby
2019-03-20 14:01:32
In reply to newdread
And who controlled the Board with bribes, matches and perks?
InHindsight
2019-03-20 14:02:14
Unfortunately with the current CWI structure the president and those seeking office can easily buy 6 or 7 measly directors and gain control of an important West Indies institution.
Strikingly though all (prominent) past WI players and PMs have shown support for Skerrit in the face of Cameron's presumed successes.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 14:06:23
In reply to InHindsight
Fortunately or unfortunately they don't get to vote. For Cameron to be defeated his fellow directors have to decide that and vote accordingly.
Similarly the territorial president's are only removed by association members.
Maybe if each association member had a vote in CWI elections you might have a good chance to remove Cameron
InHindsight
2019-03-20 14:21:15
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
For Cameron to be defeated his fellow directors have to decide that and vote accordingly.
that's precisely the point.
Maybe if each association member had a vote in CWI elections you might have a good chance to remove Cameron
The is still much of the same. We need directors/ stakeholders who are independent of the board leadership and have a critical interest in West Indies a la sponsors, governments, shareholders etc.
Similarly the territorial president's are only removed by association members
Herein lies another problem. Association presidents are not all elected free and fair. Major issues at that level as well.
Str8_Drive
2019-03-20 14:24:01
King Cameron has acted as a dictator for most of his reign , with his lackeys on the board being mere spectators, just like how he appointed Pybus as coach.
If he wanted to get something done he could have ,, it is not in his best interest to bring transparency and so I don't agree that he will now just say that it was not up to him.
Also ,,,, Does the government giving directives to a sporting organisation count as government interference in sports ?
InHindsight
2019-03-20 14:33:31
In reply to Str8_Drive
Does the government giving directives to a sporting organisation count as government interference in sports ?
you can only give directives if you are a director
Courtesy
2019-03-20 14:56:43
In reply to newdread
Correct me if I am wrong (as I usually am) but, even if a report was commissioned by WICB / CWI that doesn't make it a fait accompli that its recommendations will be implemented.
Wouldn't those recommendations then have to go to a vote of the full board? Which may have commissioned the report for "show" to begin with.
Like I said the other day - unless and until the leadership of the territorial boards change their mindset - all efforts to dismantle, alter or change CWI structure will cause wee wee to blow back in yuh face.
You are correct..
.the full board must vote to implement the recommendations.
It is not that the full WICB board did not vote on the recommendations of the Patterson Report.
They voted but voted to implement
only the recommendations which did not step on their toes.
The four or five main recommendations which would have made
the WICB structure vastly different to what currently obtains, the majority voted against them.
...unless and until the leadership of the territorial boards change their mindset - all efforts to dismantle, alter or change CWI structure will cause wee wee to blow back in yuh face.
I concur...theirs (some WICB members) is a self serving interest, not an interest in favour of the greater good of West Indies cricket.
So Dave Cameron is being less than honest here. The territorial boards as currently constituted and populated obviously
do not want to mash up the old boys club.
In summary, they simply do not want to change the current structure.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 14:56:44
In reply to InHindsight
So who will appoint these "independent " directors? And how can you be sure they have stakeholders interest at heart?
InHindsight
2019-03-20 15:12:54
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
So who will appoint these "independent " directors?
That's the whole point to change an instituting the process.
And how can you be sure they have stakeholders interest at heart?
What interest does a sponsor or government have in cricket? In my opinion, involvement as directors should be allowed to centre mainly around the nature of your engagement.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 15:37:21
In reply to InHindsight
MY point is that if you allow government to chose directors you going have the same problems as we are having with liat. If a restructured board picks them won't they be "owned" by their sponsors?
As long as you have human directors they will be owned by whomever sponsored them.
Any system and structure can be abused and manipulated.
POINT
2019-03-20 15:48:55
It is Freaking amazing the B.S that is
banded about by some People . Where the Hell is his Good Friend Wehby Report Report that was commissioned during his Presidency .
THROW THE BUMS OUT ALL OF THEM !!!!!
Antigua is already Compromised , the
name of the game that Cameron loves
is :
" DIVIDE AND CONQUER & IT IS
WORKING VERY WELL FOR THOSE
WHO DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT
PROGRESS IN WEST INDIES CRICKET .
InHindsight
2019-03-20 15:49:05
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Any system and structure can be abused and manipulated.
Agree. So do you simply ignore the issue?
As long as you have human directors they will be owned by whomever sponsored them.
I am only proffering a position here.
If any, government directors should be a very small representation
Khaga
2019-03-20 15:57:20
In reply to openning
If you need a MLK or a Mandela to change a forking Cricket Board, you are in deeper isht.. 
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 15:59:09
In reply to InHindsight
No I am not knocking you I am just pointing out what a lot already know and some don't seem to know.
I have no dog in the fight but I'd say if skerritt or whomever replaces Cameron by 6 months he'll be getting cuss too. Das all.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 15:59:58
In reply to Khaga
You stop crying now long enough to come back from country.
camos
2019-03-20 16:01:38
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I'd say if skerritt or whomever replaces Cameron by 6 months he'll be getting cuss too. Das all.
because the problems is with the system, not the individuals.
Khaga
2019-03-20 16:01:51
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Crying for what?
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:02:20
In reply to Khaga
Ozzie ozzie
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:03:39
In reply to camos
Agreed but I feel that nobody will change the system from within and nobody can change it from outside.
camos
2019-03-20 16:05:29
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
totally agree with you for once!
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:07:23
In reply to camos
because the problems is with the system, not the individuals.
The individuals don't want to change the system. Why?
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:08:17
camos
2019-03-20 16:09:00
In reply to InHindsight
because their are enormous personal benefits!
camos
2019-03-20 16:09:52
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
don't follow your big belly friend!
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:11:28
In reply to camos
Hence Cameron resisting change should be replaced?
camos
2019-03-20 16:13:13
In reply to InHindsight
we are copying the wrong things, instead of names we need to copy the organizational structure of Cricket Australia!
openning
2019-03-20 16:13:19
In reply to Khaga
Someone at the local level, will have to start the process, and win support at that level.
Right now it is a buddy system, without accountability.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:17:24
In reply to InHindsight
Hence Cameron resisting change should be replaced?
Yes that's your view but what if his fellow directors aren't so convinced? How do you replace Cameron?
camos
2019-03-20 16:19:09
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
look at it this way the directors know both guys, they were both independent directors.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:25:12
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If Skerrit per chance is elected it would suggest an openness to the idea.
All this here is to sensitise to the need for change
openning
2019-03-20 16:29:45
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Here is a look at CA board, they are all independent of cricketing boards in Australia.
Link Text
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:30:11
In reply to InHindsight
Man you are forgetting calls for change were being made against Hunte and Hillaire? They were changed and we are back at the same point again. I predict same will happen again.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:31:18
In reply to openning
Do we know who appoints them?
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:33:48
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Fuzzy when I speak of change I am not here speaking merely of replacement of personnel.
Restructuring of CWI!!!
you've not read my posts recently.
Courtesy
2019-03-20 16:36:44
In reply to InHindsight
Fuzzy when I speak of change I am not here speaking merely of replacement of personnel.
Fuzzy knows you are speaking of structural change and not the game of "musical chairs."
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 16:49:08
In reply to InHindsight
I understand you but the current vote is for personnel no guarantees about change in structure is on the ballot. You are hoping that skerritt will enable change. He might want too but will the current structure allow the president to change?
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:49:20
openning
2019-03-20 16:53:06
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
It seem States elect their director to the board, these directors are not part of cricket boards.
This will give you some input of how directors are appointed by CA.
Link Text
InHindsight
2019-03-20 16:55:15
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
He might want too but will the current structure allow the president to change?
No ifs or buts, this is necessary for meaningful turnaround in WI cricket.
Courtesy
2019-03-20 16:56:55
In reply to InHindsight
But your point was such a simple one...you are clamouring for wholesome changes at CWI not musical chairs.
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 17:12:25
In reply to Courtesy
There's optimism and there is reality.
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:17:41
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
There's optimism and there is reality.
What do you want me to do with this cliche above?...cook it to eat.
Brother, if you want to create change you need to set up a process, create an enabling environment, implement, evaluate along the way and continuous re-evaluation to eternity.
Doing nothing will achieve nothing.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 17:20:44
In reply to Courtesy
I am sure a rational mind like fuzzy knows well.
Hopefully he doesn't partake of Cameron's honey.
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:22:39
In reply to InHindsight
Like some of us are prone to doing...Fuzzy has simply gone with his tribe on this issue. He can be forgiven.
Fuzzy's tagline: "BCA for Cameron metoo."
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 17:23:33
In reply to Courtesy
I wouldn't dare tell you what to do. You do whatever you want
FuzzyWuzzy
2019-03-20 17:24:53
In reply to InHindsight
This my last on this because it wants become personal.
Have a good day gentlemen
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:25:00
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I am supporting you on this one FUZZY. No one can tell us where to place our loyalty. I agree.
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:25:59
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I am really sad to see you leave this thread. After all, your comments on cricketing matters are usually sound.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 17:28:37
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:30:06
In reply to InHindsight
Mate, I don't know why FUZZY thought you were talking about musical chairs and why he is defending and throwing his hands in the air for a system that he knows does not serve the general interests of cricket in the Caribbean.
Forget about Skerrit and Cameron for moment in this hour of dire structural need in West Indies cricket.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 17:31:22
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
This my last on this because it wants become personal.
Have a good day gentlemen
I make it a duty not to become personal. Not the least one like you on this MB
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:33:35
In reply to InHindsight
Perhaps, that was a statement aimed at Courtesy. I don't think for once Fuzzy will think you were personal.
Anyway, disCourtesy is more sinned against than sinning.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 17:35:28
In reply to Courtesy
Mate, I don't know why FUZZY thought you were talking about musical chairs and why he is defending and throwing his hands in the air for a system that he knows does not serve the general interests of cricket in the Caribbean..
Gives one reason for conjecture
Courtesy
2019-03-20 17:36:14
In reply to InHindsight
Old Boys Club. And it is not conjecture.
InHindsight
2019-03-20 17:40:03
POINT
2019-03-20 18:48:27
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
There must be in any Entity CHECKS &
BALANCES . In all Organizations , if
they are to be properly Run . I believe that is precisely why there are Judicial Courts to prevent in
Democratic Countries , there exist
some semblance of FAIRNESS .
In this very Forum I have advocated
that there must be a Completely NEW STRUCTURE in the governance of West
Indies Cricket .
BTW , current members of the WICBC
must not be eligible for Selection .
Imagine , 90 + Freaking Years and
Absolutely NO ONE has seen it fit to change the current Structure of the
WICBC .
THIS IS A FREAKING REGIONAL DISGRACE
NOW THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT
THE WICBC ITSELF HAS COMMISSIONED
SEVERAL REPORTS , AND BLUNTLY
REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT THE FINDINGS
OF THOSE REPORTS .
Now that being the case those in the
Current WICBC obviously cannot be a
Part of the Solution , when THEY
THEMSELVES ARE THE PROBLEM .
openning
2019-03-20 19:12:57
New Governance for Australian Cricket
In August 2012, State Associations voted to replace CA’s state-based Board of 14 Directors with a new, nine-person Board with three independent Directors and one each appointed by the six State Associations.
The resolution was a continuation of the process that started in early 2012 after the review tabled by governance specialists Crawford and Carter recommended Cricket Australia consider a range of changes including moving to a smaller, independent Board.
The Cricket Australia Board of nine independent Directors (currently seven) work collectively in the national interest of Australian cricket: Earl Eddings (Chairman), John Harnden AM, Jacquie Hey, Michael Kasprowicz, Michelle Tredenick, Lachlan Henderson and Paul Green.
Each Director will have one vote except in the case of a deadlock in which case the CA Chairman will have a casting vote.
The State Association Members will each have three votes on constitutional issues.
Link Text
This is an easy fixed, each Territory select someone from the business community to the WICB, and three additional directors, none of them hold post in regional boards.
These directory will be representing WICB and not the interest of any Island.
jelfew
2019-03-20 20:06:44
In reply to POINT
Cameron did not say that the board would publish the Wehby report. He said the report would be commissioned to see if those recommendations from the Patterson reports that were not implemented (because they have already implemented most of the recommendations) should be implemented, when and how. Do you know if Wehby has reported to the the CWI board".
If CARICOM is so keen on having their recommendations implemented, why have they not done anything so far? This is a fair indication of how they would operate, if they get the reigns.
Anyway, its time for Cameron to go. He has been there long enough.
openning
2019-03-20 21:32:37
In reply to jelfew
Cameron was on the board during H&H regime, he may had been there during Kenneth Gordon time.
He must think people are fools, listening to his spin during an election cycle.
He need to go, and take all members that has been there for the last 5-15 years, with him.
POINT
2019-03-20 21:39:41
In reply to InHindsight
I agree with with Your assessment .
