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Ok, lets debate climate change

 
black 2019-04-26 16:33:04 

Are radical changes needed or can we still save the planet with sensible environmental policies?

In other words, every country do their part to reduce carbon emissions (with strict enforcement) and not have to resort to banning aircrafts and eating twigs for lunch.

 
mikesiva 2019-04-26 16:59:18 

In reply to black

Drastic measures needed

In essence, economic growth leads to further increases in carbon levels in the atmosphere.

A serious look needs to be taken about what we want. Do we want more economic growth at the expense of the planet?

Free market capitalism is the problem

Capitalism in crisis?

 
black 2019-04-26 17:17:27 

In reply to mikesiva

Can science solve the problem? Countries are not going to make radical economic changes.

Is it fair to developing Countries?

 
mikesiva 2019-04-26 17:20:57 

In reply to black

And if countries don't make radical changes, then the problems will get worse....

Did you read the article?

Did you watch the two clips?
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It's a hard choice, but if the right choice is not made, then our children and grandchildren will have to live with the repercussions....

 
nick2020 2019-04-26 17:32:47 

In reply to mikesiva

Did you watch the two clips?


lol

 
black 2019-04-26 17:36:49 

In reply to nick2020

I will in due time, I'm not sitting around like you, doing nothing.

 
Tryangle 2019-04-26 17:42:53 

Thing is, we can do a bunch of things, but whatever contributions we make over here won't matter (whichever way you feel about man-made climate change) if the behemoths of the East (China, India) continue as is.

 
mikesiva 2019-04-26 17:47:33 

In reply to Tryangle

And not just India and China...the North Atlantic countries have increased their mining of carbon reserves since they signed all these accords in Paris and so forth.

The US has gone into fracking big time, and the UK is following suit. In the UK, they've removed subsidies on wind and solar, while making it easier for fracking to be implemented. Why? Well, then Environment Secretary Amber Rudd had a brother sitting on the board of one of the main fracking companies....

It's as George Monbiot says...the main problems are the current world economic systems. It seems as if we will go on stumbling from one crisis to another, until we hit upon a major calamity which kills hundreds of millions of people, and only then will the world's so-called "leaders" take note.

Owen Jones meets Extinction Rebellion

Yes, I know a lot of them are a bunch of middle-class weirdos!
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But some important points are raised in this interview....

 
Bigzinc 2019-04-26 18:22:06 

In reply to black

one set of people dont believe in climate change ... usually conservatives and people keep voting them in. ergo people dont believe in climate change...

watch canada elect a right wing government this year...


long long time ago David Suzuki talked about the model of constant economic growth... at some point the world economy will start to shrink...the rich and the poor all on the same flooded boat...

 
black 2019-04-26 19:15:40 

In reply to mikesiva

It's a difficult issue to solve, they are suggesting that a reduction by as much as five times the current levels are needed. And, some are proposing some radial ideas, such as getting rid of capitalism.

And then there are the doubters that don't think any of this is caused by human activities.

I don't see a solution to this problem anytime soon.