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Shouldn’t Hope and Campbell have retired

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 13:31:26 

And give other batsmen a go, since this is preparation for the WC?

 
mikesiva 2019-05-05 13:33:24 

In reply to StumpCam

Nah! One more match against Ireland, and two against Bangladesh, plus a final in Ireland, for the other batsmen to get a chance....

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 13:34:27 

In reply to StumpCam

sometimes I do wonder...ITS A SERIOUS GAME OF CRICKET. IN FACT A TOURNAMENT! It ain't a practice game or goat soap/ roti cricket.

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 13:35:06 

In reply to mikesiva

So, what’s your plan, to not let them open or rest them?!

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 13:36:34 

In reply to Raggs

So, had they retired after they each got to 150 would’ve been detrimental to the team??

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 13:38:29 

Yes. The reality is that Campbell is not the opener for the World Cup. Darren Bravos should have been given an opportunity for a long innings.

 
mikesiva 2019-05-05 13:39:38 

In reply to StumpCam

If I was the coach, I would rest one of them for the next game, and give Dowrich a game...but unfortunately, I'm not the coach.
smile
Let's not forget that the squad named for the World Cup is just provisional. Campbell can state his case for inclusion....


Also, we have two warm-ups in Bristol at the end of the month with NZ and SA. There are quite a few matches for Bravo and co and get some practice.

 
Dukes 2019-05-05 13:40:01 

In reply to Raggs

You really believe that Campbell scoring 179 rather than 140 is important in this match?

Daren Bravo scoring 15* rather than 45* is unimportant to you in the scheme of things?


Like you, sometimes I do wonder!!!!

 
WIForever 2019-05-05 13:40:37 

Gayle retiring after World Cup.

 
ponderiver 2019-05-05 13:43:47 

In reply to Dukes

Wow!!
shock rolleyes

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 13:45:28 

In reply to Dukes

are we not in tournament? do we not owe the other team in the mix some respect? you into match fixing or something? these games are on all bookies websites for BETTING!

 
Dukes 2019-05-05 13:48:52 

In reply to ponderiver

Welcome back.The last time I saw you, you ran away from your tread about Narine!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 13:49:13 

In reply to Raggs

these games are on all bookies websites for BETTING

Are your cricketing decisions based on respecting the opposition and facilitating BETTING?

Allyuh not serious.

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 13:50:31 

In reply to Courtesy

Exactly! lol lol

 
mittheimp 2019-05-05 13:52:42 

Its a competitive fixture. End of debate.

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 13:53:37 

In reply to Courtesy

MATCH FIXING IS A SERIOUS CRIME ASK MARLON SAMUELS in fact study some cricket history and check out the name Hansie Cronje. You cannot do such out of the norm stuff in a serious game in a tournament.

 
InHindsight 2019-05-05 13:55:02 

If I am to take issue with anything is the fact that in the death both Shai and Campbell were trying to hit the ball too hard, thus losing their shapes especially to the plythora of slower balls

Neither are sloggers as far as I see though Campbell is closer to a hitter.

I see this batting as investment in the future

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 13:55:51 

In reply to Raggs

Please point me to rule that says a batsman cannot retire his inning!
If you can, then I’ll accept your point!

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 13:56:08 

In reply to Raggs

Mate, you have defeated your match fixing point by asserting that a cricket decision should be made on the basis
or should consider that "these games are on all bookies websites for BETTING!"

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 14:00:33 

In reply to Courtesy

ok the opening record is broken @ 304/0 and Shai Hope decides to retire on 165 when the score is 352 and someone in Barbados/India puts a bet on that the new record half a hour before lt happens and now it stands @ 352. Some investigation could take place. a player could be suspended

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 14:04:29 

In reply to Raggs

ok the opening record is broken @ 304/0 and Shai Hope decides to retire on 165 when the score is 352 and someone in Barbados/India puts a bet on that the new record now will stand @ 352. Some investigation could take place. a player could be suspended

lol lol lol

Try again. You are suggesting here that Shai Hope knows that someone placed a bet on a record opening stand...preposterous.

And btw, one never argues hypotheticals in sports.

 
Priapus 2019-05-05 14:10:05 

In reply to Courtesy

That is quite some Ragged logic right there. big grin

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 14:11:20 

In reply to Priapus

Indeed.

big grin

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 14:12:16 

In reply to Courtesy

the 12th man comes out and he gives him the mg. he goes back into the dressing room and someone makes the call. a few grand and bingo.
a football coach in the lower half of the English football league got done cos he told someone/ a family member that at an exact time he was gonna bite into a burger and the cameras will catch the act. it was a glamour tie against top opposition.lost his job.

 
Dukes 2019-05-05 14:13:28 

In reply to Raggs

My apologies for responding to your post.It will not happen again.

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 14:14:29 

In reply to Raggs

the 12th man comes out and he gives him the mg. he goes back into the dressing room and someone makes the call. a few grand and bingo.
a football coach in the lower half of the English football league got done cos he told someone/ a family member that at an exact time he was gonna bite into a burger and the cameras will catch the act. it was a glamour tie against top opposition.lost his job.


lol lol lol

This time I will exhort you to stop trying.

 
StumpCam 2019-05-05 14:17:19 

In reply to Dukes

lol lol lol

Rags like he had too much of that Irish Coffee!

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 14:18:20 

In reply to Courtesy

was a reserve goal keeper sorry my bad. match fixing

 
Priapus 2019-05-05 14:19:09 

In reply to StumpCam

Or maybe he still can't get over Archer choosing to play for the Poms.

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 14:20:17 

In reply to Raggs

I don't want to waste time on reading the link. Just tell me whether the two situations are analogous. Save me some precious time. Just point out the similarities to me.

 
dayne 2019-05-05 14:21:25 

Yes they both should have retired, give the other batsmen some time to build their confidence in the conditions

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 14:24:08 

In reply to Courtesy

in an official tournament can you give me a name of a batsman retiring just for the sake of it and not an injury, If you can I'll stand corrected.

 
Courtesy 2019-05-05 14:26:30 

In reply to Raggs

Batsmen have done it in test matches. Go read about it. Nothing in the laws of the game prevents a batsman from retiring hurt or retiring out.

But more importantly, have you abandoned your betting and bookie argument?

...........................

Anyways, I have done a Dukes. I will never respond to your post again. Adios.

big grin

 
Raggs 2019-05-05 14:30:41 

In reply to Courtesy
no I have not, in a tournament ODI format. A player retiring at the batting crease unless injured. never seen or heard that before.

 
granite 2019-05-05 14:32:43 

In reply to StumpCam
I was wondering that but dem blokes at the top knos better we,so we better quiet.

 
granite 2019-05-05 14:37:00 

In reply to mikesiva
The problem is this is England and rain does F UP tings so at 150 for none both should have retired,for me dat wudda be better.

cool

 
Dukes 2019-05-05 15:10:11 

In reply to mikesiva


Let's not forget that the squad named for the World Cup is just provisional. Campbell can state his case for inclusion....


During the press conference when the team was named, Jimmy Adams said that the team named was the team for the World Cup and would be changed ONLY DUE TO INJURIES.

 
mikesiva 2019-05-05 16:08:04 

In reply to Dukes

And the way Russell is going, and possibly Gayle and Lewis, injuries are a strong possibility....
razz
Campbell needs to make the best use of his opportunities, and today he did.

Now, if Reifer is a forward-thinking coach, he would rest Campbell from the Tuesday game, and give Dowrich a batting spot. That way, Bravo and co could get a bat.

We have one more match against Ireland, two games against Bangladesh in Ireland, a final in Ireland, and two games in Bristol against NZ and SA. It's a bit premature to suggest that Campbell and Hope should retire out in the first game in Ireland.
cool

 
StumpCam 2019-05-06 12:09:09 

In reply to Raggs

Raggs, one more thing. According to your claim one would conclude that only the captain has the right to be involved with the bookies whenever he retires the side by way of a declaration! lol lol lol

 
natty_forever 2019-05-06 13:39:01 

In reply to mikesiva

but unfortunately, I'm not the coach.
… more like fortunately.

 
mikesiva 2019-05-06 16:18:41 

In reply to natty_forever

Yeah, that's what I really meant....
smile
Reifer will most likely play Campbell again in the second ODI. And all those folks who are worrying that Bravo won't get a chance to bat, will probably get to see the entire side bat on Tuesday!

 
natty_forever 2019-05-06 16:51:05 

In reply to granite and mikesiva … you realize is a Tr-Nation series and not warm up matches? As this performance adds to my international ODI record, why would I retire, when 200 around the corner.

 
mikesiva 2019-05-06 17:18:20 

In reply to natty_forever

Agreed.

Retiring out also makes no sense when there are four matches to play in Ireland.

Bravo and co will get plenty of opportunities.

 
Kay 2019-05-06 17:45:24 

In reply to mikesiva

Bravo and co will get plenty of opportunities.

Not if the openers continue to bat 47 of the 50 overs... smile

 
natty_forever 2019-05-06 18:19:11 

In reply to Kay … what are the odds? We could have been 0-1 in over number 1.

 
Ewart 2019-05-06 18:30:08 

In reply to mikesiva

Retiring out also makes no sense when there are four matches to play in Ireland. Bravo and co will get plenty of opportunities.



Maaaan! How you come and spoil up the people foolish argument so!


wink wink big grin big grin

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Cricket_101 2019-05-06 18:59:41 

Let’s see how the record breaking duo fears against Bangladesh...

 
natty_forever 2019-05-06 20:25:19 

In reply to Cricket_101 … I am not worried about that, I am looking at us scoring over 300 as team on a consistent basis. That would require all batters with bats on deck.

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-05-06 20:39:38 

In reply to StumpCam

Shouldn’t Hope and Campbell have retired
And give other batsmen a go, since this is preparation for the WC?
Worry not my fren... there are enough collapses left.... I mean enough games left for the other batsmen to get a go...

Every man got to fill their booths when they can..... you & I would... most others too...... wink wink

 
Cricket_101 2019-05-07 00:04:04 

[b]In reply to natty_forever[/
Let’s hope them Mek at least 250 against Banga lol

 
RemainsUnknown 2019-05-07 02:46:20 

In reply to StumpCam

2 days yuh struggle to mek a likkle 1/2 century...
here’s a single to get you there. lol lol lol

 
StumpCam 2019-05-07 08:28:43 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

Not into personal milestones and that is the gist of this thread, all about team! I prefer to rotate the strike! big grin

 
mikesiva 2019-05-07 09:29:17 

In reply to Ewart

lol
What did I tell you? Campbell out. Dowrich in.

 
Yadi 2019-05-07 10:07:19 

In reply to StumpCam

Good luck today, no Campbell.

 
Ewart 2019-05-07 10:10:35 

In reply to mikesiva

Yup.

big grin

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Yadi 2019-05-07 16:28:35 

When Hope got out - 204 for 4 ...

The WI batting lost all "hope".

 
JoeGrine 2019-05-07 22:22:55 

Good thing Hope and Ambris never retired big grin

 
Yadi 2019-05-09 21:25:07 

In reply to StumpCam

We will find out tomorrow.

 
Yadi 2019-05-11 12:38:26 

In reply to StumpCam

Let's see.

 
StumpCam 2019-05-11 12:59:26 

In reply to Yadi

Since you keep bringing this up, I hope the following puts it in perspective.
At the end of 40 overs WI had scored 300+ and both batsmen were at 150 or close to it! The 1st wicket fell in the 47th over.

Sometimes in cricket you have to make bold moves that benefits the team despite what others think.
But, I rest my case! Nothing further to say!

[b]StumpCam5/5/19, 9:36:34 AM
In reply to Raggs [/b]

So, had they retired after they each got to 150 would’ve been detrimental to the team??

 
Courtesy 2019-05-11 13:02:21 

In reply to StumpCam

...Sometimes in cricket you have to make bold moves that benefits the team despite what others think.
But, I rest my case! Nothing further to say!...

Very well said.

And further, one of the batsmen who opened is not on the WC squad while Darren Bravos is deprived of a solid knock which he badly needs.

 
Yadi 2019-05-11 13:59:06 

In reply to StumpCam

We are not going backwards ... in time.

Today, we need to get 300 plus runs &

no John Campbell to steal the headlines.

 
StumpCam 2019-05-11 15:38:41 

So Bravo could’ve used the batting practice
in the first match had Hope and Campbell retire! Just saying! lol lol