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"They took funds from the top and professionalized first class cricket and this has given us Shimron Hetmyer, Shai Hope and Shannon Gabriel."

In reply to LBW375

Yes. He praised a welfare cricket system that cannot develop one decent spinner and one new batsman in 5 years of operation.

Yes it's a first rated welfare cricket system intended to guarantee votes at the top level of WIPA and CWI.

In reply to Courtesy

Hope and Gabriel are products of the HPC, and Hetmyer is in spite of, not because of PCL, ridiculous

In reply to Courtesy

Tino is a clown. Everyone know that.

Tino is 100% correct

In reply to navindesigns

I didn't know Dave's Mum was on CC.com

Welcome Mrs Cameron

We all agree that Cameron got a lot wrong during his presidency.

However, if you can't accept that most of these cricketers came through under a system he helped envisioned then you're not being truthful.

In reply to Gun_Play
Name the world class player produced under Crooked Dave.

In reply to bobby

Jason Holder and Shai Hope.

I named two

In reply to Gun_Play

Can the PCL in its current construct and results be deemed a success considering there has been a lag time of five years and most of the players were in the system before PCL?

In reply to Courtesy

Do you have any idea who these 120 players were?

What did the contract stipulate?

I have been looking for this information but cannot find it.

While I was glad to see Cameron go, there was still some positive from his run. The PCL was a good idea. I don't agree in the manner it was achieved but the PCL itself is good.

In reply to sgtdjones

It's a loose arrangement without any evaluation criteria and accountability. The system is literally a Robinhood system with little or no financial input from WIPA and CWI.

In reply to LBW375

All he said was that was at least ONE THING they got right.

his opinion...nuance to headline it as Tino Praising them...the back handed compliment is just as glaring.

In reply to powen001
Mate, he was asked about CPL and he conveniently bifurcated to PCL while saying he can "go on for 20 overs" about the question.

In reply to powen001

Did you hear the question he was answering?

He was asked how the CPl has helped our cricket, what's responsible for WI recent success as evidenced by their recent performances against England.

How is the PCL responsible for that?

In reply to DIEHARD

He was actually asked about the contribution of CPL to the development of the players.

In reply to Courtesy

The PCL does have some merits.

Paul and Hetmyer are all products.

In reply to Courtesy

You are correct.

Even the way Tino answered, let me forget the ACTUAL question.

He's a shameless Cameron lackey

In reply to Gun_Play

They're more products of the CPL

In reply to Gun_Play

Would Paul and Hetymer play for Guyana without PCL?

In reply to DIEHARD

Yep. The PCL is simply not cost beneficial in its current construct. It is filled with eatafood cricketers who have no chance of making the West Indies side and do not have the pedigree to impart any valuable knowledge to the younger players.

In reply to DIEHARD

my bad...I only caught him saying that phrase" at least one thing they got right" which sounded like sarcasm....
to me
Just remembered he was backing the jokers for another term.

In reply to Courtesy

I think i see where you're going with that but...

That's like saying Jordan would still have been great without the NBA.

The PCL initiative allowed the board to bring a professional appearance to our first class game.

It allowed the players to play more games during the season. That in itself is a great help in building cricketing skills.

Also, we saw the introduction of contracted players/overseas players. Those players allow our first class cricket to be more competitive.

In reply to Gun_Play

Great intentions above...now speak to the cost effectiveness of the CPL.

BTW, The West Indies produced a greater number of more accomplished players without the PCL which has has a lag time of 5 years...actually six years.

In reply to Gun_Play

Dude...I screamed laughing at that Jordan NBA analogy.

I can't even formulate a response if that's your logic

In reply to DIEHARD

Yes HPC.....CPL has not yet developed anyone.

The development of HPC was down to sir Hilary Beckles , UWi and Sagicor and preceded Dave Cameron.( started under KenGordon)

Now ask what happened to it and what was Dave’s contribution.?

In reply to DIEHARD

In reply to Courtesy

The question was not about the cost effectiveness of the PCL but what Tino believed would have made recent WI cricketers more effective.

Yes, we did produce many crickets without the PCL. However, after years of an ineffective process it was changed an its successor has begun to bear fruit.

Just because you dont agree with someone, does not mean they are always wrong, sure Cameron made lots of mistakes, but he did get a few things right,sadly we always remember the bad
The PCL is a good thing, it needs to be developed and taken further by those who come after him any regional tourney that puts money in cricketers who would not otherwise get I am all for

In reply to DIEHARD

I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.

Just leave it alone if you don't understand.

In reply to hawk

Point me to whom on this thread is arguing about the "PCL is not a good thing?"

In reply to Gun_Play

Regardless of the success of CPL it is obvious that playing full time professional cricket develops professionals.

Haynes ,greenidge ,Garner, Richards etc learned in English county cricket.

The development of Archer in England is another good example....do you seriously think he would be the same player he is now If he had stayed in Barbados?

CPL is too little too late because the best players can do much better in overseast20.

In reply to imusic

Social welfare payments is the major difference.

In reply to doublecentury

Can you see any major difference is structure and results in County Cricket and PCL?

In reply to DIEHARD

Keemo actually made a name for himself in PCL not CPL.

CPL worse than PCL.. ah bunch of old washed up international players.. and most of the regional players are either washed up or global t20 franchise stars.. CPL don't develop no young talent

The problem with the PCL is that the management is not professional. Of the current team in Ireland, only one player plays for team not representing his territory/region of birth. That player is Cottrell. Does anybody know how he came to play for the T&T team?

"Benfitting tremendously from the 4 day Professional League....."

In reply to Gun_Play

In reply to bobby

In reply to anthonyp

The vision for CPL was the right one. As part of the CPL contractual arrangements they (franchises) were obligated to set up satellite academies in each of the territories. The CWI did not ensure this portion of the contract was fulfilled.

This is what was supposed to be the development portion of the CPL and it was never implemented. Who is going to shoulder the blame for the non-implementation of these academies?

In reply to LBW375

In reply to doublecentury

In reply to TheTrail

They learnt their cricket in the Caribbean.

In reply to LBW375

In reply to DIEHARD

Ok

In reply to Courtesy

That was just highlighting one good thing in my opinion that came out of the Cameron presidency.

In the midst of criticizing, there is always something to recognize

In reply to navindesigns



Only Dave's Mom could think he is responsible for Hetmyer Hope and Gabriel's development.

I doubt Gabriel has played more than 10 PCL games as he's usually injured or on senior duty during the PCL.

Hope hasn't played two full seasons of PCL either, and Hetmyer maybe has 3

It is important to note the fact that Some People have to Sing for their
Supper . That's Life !!!!!

People spewing emotions and opinions as facts.

In reply to Gun_Play

You are also a clown if you think Holder and Hope are world class.

In reply to hawk

No one is knocking the introduction of the professional league. And for the very last time, the beef is with the cost effectiveness or lack thereof of the system. It should not be run like a social welfare system for cricketers.
Currently it is being run like the proverbial "money down a bottomless pit" with very little to show by way of returns.

The bulk of the fees should go to the young cricketers with potential to make it on the West Indies team as well as those test cricketers who have contributed and are contributing, so the youngsters can learn from their experience and not nonentities who make up space just to "eatafood" with nothing to offer.

The professionalisation of WI cricket was a very good thing. The MANNER in achieving this objective by Cameron and his Cohort was underhanded as far as I see. I don't support the position that 15 seniors contracted players should have gotten 25 cents on every dollar earned by WICB while our cricket declined. Some of these same players were mostly unavailable for West Indies duties, given the new domestic leagues where the plied their trade, further weakening a decaying WI cricket.



It is not correct to say that current WI players are the product of the PCL and ignore the 'disbanded' HPC and other.



No doubt the PCL is helping to develop a new generation of young cricketer while providing them a livelihood. But in its current structure it does not give value for dollars spent.



To simply have rewarded Cameron for the PCL and ignore his egotism and the path he trod would have cost us dearly at sometime in the future.

In reply to bobby

Holder is the #1 test allrounder.. #8 on the bowling list..

Hope in the top 10 for ODI batting.

You still think Holder and Hope aren't world class?

In reply to bobby

how is holder NOT world class?

In reply to bobby

One avgs close to 50 in ODI cricket.

The other is the number one allrounder in Test cricket

If you're going to debate a topic please do. Don't ask me a question and then respond like a juvenile.

In reply to Gun_Play

bobby, Inhindshite, scuntesy, prolly one creep...dottie widout skin in game drownin mb in igrunt shite...wunna haffi hignore dem/it...