What is considered entrapment?

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link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:23:42 AM 
If a female police dresses as a prostitute and gets someone to offer her money for sex, is that entrapment?

If the FBI pretend to offer assistance to a potential bomber, is that entrapment?

If a Cop radios ahead to another Cop that someone in a blue Ford escort is speeding, is that entrapment?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 9:27:50 AM 
In reply to black

You want opinion or the law?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 9:34:50 AM 
Just so everyone is super clear going in....

If a female police dresses as a prostitute and gets someone to offer her money for sex, is that entrapment?


How do the real prostitutes GET people to offer them money?

If the FBI pretend to offer assistance to a potential bomber, is that entrapment


Do they become a potential bomber after or before this 'entrapment'?

If a Cop radios ahead to another Cop that someone in a blue Ford escort is speeding, is that entrapment?


What if they used a telegraph? Or horse carrier?

Or just outrun the driver to the next cop and tell him by mouth?

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:35:43 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Opinion, but if you can offer some insight on the law, that would be fine.

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5/16/19, 9:38:28 AM 
In reply to black

Can you at least clarify the above? That way everyone knows for sure what opinion is needed.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:39:48 AM 
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How do the real prostitutes GET people to offer them money? 


Does it matter? If I am not inclined to buy pum pum, I don't think anyone can make me do it.

Do they become a potential bomber after or before this 'entrapment'? 


Again, someone cannot make you do something that you are not inclined to do, unless it is forced.

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5/16/19, 9:46:40 AM 

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 9:47:29 AM 
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Does it matter? If I am not inclined to buy pum pum, I don't think anyone can make me do it.


I see...so?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 9:51:03 AM 
Again, someone cannot make you do something that you are not inclined to do, unless it is forced.


So how are the people in your scenario forced?

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:03:52 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

They are not forced, in the scenarios above.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 10:07:26 AM 
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So then it is not entrapment?

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:09:45 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

You Tell me. lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 10:12:14 AM 
How the cops conduct themselves in the scenarios where they are offering assistance to the criminal element is important to get a conviction.

For example, the female cop cannot make the proposition. She has to allow the perp to offer.

Same would apply for the bomb perp...otherwise he could get of with he was placed under stress.

The speeding scenario is just not thought out at all...the cop did not make him speed in any way and cops have a radio for a reason!

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5/16/19, 10:15:11 AM 
So tell your crack pot lawyer he could fight the first two but you need to pay up for the speeding ticket.

link Casper Joined: Nov 8, 2018
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5/16/19, 10:21:21 AM 
In reply to black

Does it matter? If I am not inclined to buy pum pum, I don't think anyone can make me do it.


But, if you were planning to buy some and the police women interpreted your offer as an intent to so, it doesn’t matter that the “prostitute” was a police woman. It was your intent and you were caught red-handed “in” the act of solicitation.

Slammer for you. No entrapment for your thoughts buddy. lol

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:27:53 AM 
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So tell your crack pot lawyer he could fight the first two but you need to pay up for the speeding ticket.


I disagree, in most cases, the FBI received a tip that a person (potential bomber) may have become radicalized.

In the case with the female cop, they are usually approached and then they engage that person. It is not a crime until money is offered.

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5/16/19, 10:29:39 AM 
In reply to Casper

Half the time the man argue against his own point.

You just have to give him rope.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:33:07 AM 
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But, if you were planning to buy some and the police women interpreted your offer as an intent to so, it doesn’t matter that the “prostitute” was a police woman. It was your intent and you were caught red-handed “in” the act of solicitation. 

Slammer for you. No entrapment for your thoughts buddy


I agree. That was my point when so said it did not matter.

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5/16/19, 10:35:47 AM 
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I disagree


You disagree with what?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 10:37:28 AM 
In reply to black


I agree. That was my point when so said it did not matter


You just come up with stuff in your mind and argue with yourself.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 10:42:17 AM 
In reply to black

I disagree, in most cases, the FBI received a tip that a person (potential bomber) may have become radicalized.


If suspicion of radicalization was sufficient for conviction why is a sting necessary?

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:50:37 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

If suspicion of radicalization was sufficient for conviction why is a sting necessary?


Because you have to have proof?

Look Dude, I know how law enforcement works, they have to build strong cases to get convictions.

Judges will simply throw out weak cases.

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5/16/19, 10:54:18 AM 
In reply to black

So then it's not entrapment?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 10:54:47 AM 
Or is this thread the entrapment?

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5/16/19, 10:57:41 AM 
In reply to black

Judges will simply throw out weak cases.


Sooo, entrapment is ok as long as it bolsters a weak case?

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