What is considered entrapment?

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link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:59:45 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Why are you being so difficult? I ask for your opinion and you are making this about me. That is why you and a lot of people on here don't get along.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:06:24 AM 
In reply to black

But it is about you.

Did any of your scenarios happen?

You come up with three scenarios that are obviously not entrapment, and ask for opinions.

So either you trying to entrap somebody or you lack imagination.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 11:08:47 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Some people view them as entrapment. All I wanted was your opinion.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:12:51 AM 
In reply to black

Some people does not matter...the law matters..plus I gave you the scenarios where doubt can be sown.

But the act of law enforcement engaging a perp to catch him in the act of a crime is not in itself breaking the law.

Btw the law is called entrapment...it is the law!

So you can't discuss a law without considering the LAW!

And again, the speeding one...what?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:14:02 AM 
The only trap that I sometimes find offensive idps where the car is left running.

I do not like that at all.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 11:21:20 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

And again, the speeding one...what?


It's called a "speed trap", it happens all over the U.S. People speed when they don't see cops or they think that cops are not around. That is the point of a speed trap, the cops are hidden or disguised.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:22:57 AM 
In reply to black

Yeah it is called that and it happens all over the US!

What does that tell you?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:26:56 AM 
People speed when they don't see cops or they think that cops are not around. That is the point of a speed trap, the cops are hidden or disguised.


So if a cop is hidden or not around you are not breaking the law?

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 11:33:57 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Oh geez dude!! It's obvious thst we agree on most of these scenarios, that is why I wanted different views. Some people still think that it's entrapment, regardless of what the law says.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 11:36:02 AM 
In reply to black

What different views...?

So you were trying to entrap some dufus?

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 1, 2012
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5/16/19, 1:31:13 PM 
A rapid fire post out between black and ayenmol. Do both of you work in Government?
lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 1:37:17 PM 
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Don't you have some 5 yr old post to go dig up?

link Kay Joined: Jan 31, 2015
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5/16/19, 1:46:41 PM 
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A rapid fire post out between black and ayenmol. Do both of you work in Government?

You missed one of the stooges ... check again smile

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 2:01:48 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

If a Cop radios ahead to another Cop that someone in a blue Ford escort is speeding, is that entrapment?


In this scenario, (speed trap) what if the cop ahead didn't actually catch you speeding but gave you a ticket, is that entrapment?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 3, 2003
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5/16/19, 3:19:24 PM 
In reply to black

It depends on the law in that situation.

But generally any officer can testify in court under oath!


Additionally, you don't get to simply put 'en' and 'ment' with whatever you feel is a trap and call it entrapment.

I can lay food in a trap for a mouse and end it's life...is that entrapment?

An employer can leave money where it can be found to catch a thieving employee, is that entrapment?

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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5/16/19, 8:36:59 PM 
In reply to black
In the case with the female cop, they are usually approached and then they engage that person. It is not a crime until money is offered.

Why do you always engage in subjects you know nothing about?

Where did you ever get the idea from that it is not a crime until money is offered?

Try researching the section in law dealing with "solicitation"

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 8:44:39 PM 
In reply to Star

What are you going to charge them with JACKASS?

Men approach women on the streets everyday.

The offer of money is what makes it prostitution.

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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5/16/19, 8:57:10 PM 
In reply to black
Kindly research the law on solicitation my friend.

Enlighten yourself. As I said you have no idea what you are talking about.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:05:26 PM 
In reply to Star

Dude, without the offer or exchange of money, the case will be thrown out in court.

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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5/16/19, 9:13:07 PM 
In reply to black
Don't want to come down too hard on you. Trust me on this one.

The word "inchoate" in law should help you to understand what you are dealing with.

I won't prolong this discussion any further.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:21:26 PM 
In reply to Star

Dude, you cannot prove solicitation of prostitution unless money is offered or exchanged.

If that's the case, every man that approaches a woman could be charged with a crime.

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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5/16/19, 9:27:57 PM 
In reply to black
Mr Black, I did not write the following piece of legislation, ok. Do a little research, I am not going to help you with this one.

Money does not have to be exchanged for sex to be guilty of solicitation or prostitution.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 9:40:59 PM 
In reply to Star

Dude, the law is written that way but you cannot arrest someone on assumption.

When the police arrest a prostitute it is because she is a known prostitute and was observed taking money for her services.

link Star Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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5/16/19, 9:55:50 PM 
In reply to black
You are on your own mate. The following quote is right out of the law books , ok.

Money does not have to be exchanged for sex to be guilty of solicitation or prostitution.


Find a first year law student to explain it for you because I can see you really need some help with this one.

link black Joined: Feb 27, 2004
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5/16/19, 10:05:53 PM 
In reply to Star

The law is written that way for a reason


The mere agreement or offer to complete a sexual act in exchange for a fee (i.e. money) is enough to support a solicitation charge


That is what I have been saying all along.

The OFFER or exchange of money.

That is why the law states that money does not have to be exchanged.

Money is the key, whether it's offered right away or after services are rendered.





Defenses to Solicitation of Prostitution Charges

For a basic solicitation charge, the defenses are usually focused on whether or not an agreement actually existed. Essentially the defense is that the two people were discussing having a sexual encounter, but the encounter was not contingent of the exchange of a fee. Another defense is to simply counter that the solicitation was not for sexual relations, but rather a “flirtation.” This defense strives to refute the intent and fee requirements of a basic solicitation of prostitution charge.



This is why the offer or exchange of money is crucial. Defense lawyers can easily win cases without the things above occurring.

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