that is how Hety should be batting. Not clearing his front leg and swinging at everything. he is too good a batsman to be emulating Marlon Samuels.
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Dukes- there is something about Morgan
In reply to sudden
Let me see, one (Morgan) is 10 years older, has 12 hundreds in 13 years, at an average of 39. The other (Hetmyer), has 4 hundreds in 2 years, at an average of 40. Think the comparison is valid?
In reply to Sangfroid
In reply to Sangfroid
i made no comparison
In reply to sudden
Ah wat ya call dat?
In reply to sudden
I was looking forward to your response.
In reply to Courtesy
Help him wiggle himself out now...you think you're clever. So, go ahead.
It simply means: It's the best thing Hety should be doing while batting - taking a page out of Morgan's batting book today. The two batsmen under discussion have contrasting styles.
Btw, Sudden needs absolutely no help from me in arguing this is not a comparison. I wonder though whether Sudden will take on a jackass.
I'll have you for lunch, dinner and breakfast arguing the nuances of the thread, except I don't fancy bobolees.
In reply to Courtesy
Let's do it slowly, for your benefit, of course. Why should Hetty "emulate" Morgan? Is there some defect in Hetty's batting; is there something superior about Morgan's batting? Slowly.
Answer: Because at the moment Hety's batting does not compare with Morgan.
Man go and forking sleep. You jackass.
In reply to Courtesy
Let's go with that. Once again you have earned the Nincompoop title. I think it's time for a promotion - your new title is: Nincompoop-see! All hail!
In reply to Courtesy
i have time for Froid. at least he engages or tries to.
i said "that is how Hety should be batting." and that is viewed as a comparison.
Sangfroid should look at how you post and be so guided. i hope he sees that as a comparison
In reply to sudden
Happy you have decided to take up the challenge. So, care to answer these: Why should Hetty "emulate" Morgan? Is there some defect in Hetty's batting; is there something superior about Morgan's batting?
In reply to Sangfroid
like i said. i have time for you. so re read what i wrote-
In reply to sudden
I did, I'm getting to this: Why? One thing logically follows the other...Why....
In reply to Sangfroid
if anything i am saying he should not be batting like Samuels- clearing his front leg and swinging. if anything that is the comparison. Morgan played proper cricket shots which i believe Hety have in his repertoire or that he can develop.
Morgan has been consistent with this approach. why not emulate Morgan?
In reply to sudden
Good, unlike Nincompoop-see you're man enough to admit that an improvement relative to a thing/person necessarily flows from a comparison...
That's a different question, one I did not address, or seek to address. But just to remind you:
In reply to Sangfroid
There are 2 things/people involved.
Observably, one bats a certain way and the other doesn't.
In order for one to do like the other, there is to be a compare and contrast.
Simple. There are no two ways about it. You win. And to bring Marlon into this is shameful.
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Shooooo....don't want to hurt the Poop-see's feelings. This is too much for him! Remember, he thinks he is clever!
In reply to Sangfroid
i made no comparison on the face of it yes but human nature tends to see comparisons when you talk about two people or use words like emulate.
lets say i made a comparison to Morgan or in any case said Hety should look at how Morgan batted. why did you bring up Morgan's overall record when i mentioned how he batted in this innings?
In reply to sudden
There was absolutely no comparison. I repeat no comparison. It's like telling a junior doctor he must emulate his Consultant with the hope that the junior can get to the level of the Consultant.
You are not comparing the junior doctor to his Consultant. It's only another way of saying "emulate" because of the striking differences in levels of skill.
In reply to Courtesy
mate it is useful sometimes to give a little to see what the future holds, so to speak
In reply to sudden
No one except a fool would take your post to mean that you are comparing Hety to Morgan.
In reply to Courtesy
you see some unknown person said i should not have mentioned Samuels.
i saw JHO clearing his front leg yesterday too and i said that he would soon scoop one or swing one in the air.
clearing the front leg works sometimes but it is not a long term batting strategy. why not use your feet and get to the ball?
In reply to sudden
Yep. It's called the neutral position. The problem with this is, smart bowlers would ball wide and full outside off to negate this strategy but is is a useful position to adopt when trying to score quickly.
Is the fraudster Joshua .
In reply to sudden
Morning Bulby, I just noticed you there, hoisted with your own petard. Good thing you have a medical man to assist.
In reply to tc1
No, no, no no. Leave my friend Josh outta dis.
This specimen is not Josh.
In reply to sudden
The comparison is implied, star. That fact is inescapable. If a professor wants to identify the reason/s for, say, the disparate academic performances of two students, a comparison must be had in the first instance - that is to say he must measure and analyse. Once his initial evaluation is done, he is in a position to suggest methods/"solutions" to improve the performance of the weaker student, ceteris paribus. Therefore this has nothing to do with human nature, or cognitive bias. The conclusion I have drawn is sound, based on solid reasoning.
In reply to tc1
you talk too fast. i have time for Sangfroid. he likes to argue and i like to argue. he is not offensive altho i can be.
i have no issues with the fella whatsoever. we need more of him even if he is Josh. In fact especially if he is Josh.
we have somethings in common and he knows what
In reply to Sangfroid
move on, i sorta conceded that point, or rather put it in abeyance, mate
In reply to sudden
So what was this all about:
lets say i made a comparison to Morgan or in any case said Hety should look at how Morgan batted. why did you bring up Morgan's overall record when i mentioned how he batted in this innings?
In reply to Headley
good that you can show your face today. i know Ja is kinda big but man you spent a long time in the kuntry. i hope it wasnt for 0
In reply to Sangfroid
what is your issue there- concede or abeyance?
you seem to be stuck in analysis paralysis. lets move on mate or rather answer the second half of that if you wish
In reply to Courtesy
You are not comparing the junior doctor to his Consultant. It's only another way of saying "emulate."
Poop-see, ya parents nevuh tel yuh fuh stay out of big people bizness?
In reply to tc1
I posted Jones' race in the backroom. Not sure you saw it. I wonder if he will return to the 800m. He always had the build for it and now he has the speed as an adult. Interesting times ahead. Maybe by Olympics next year. Barbados record holder in the 400m now I believe, the 800m cannot be far away.
In reply to sudden
Mate, there was a contrast in the post but not a comparison. You should not let fools believe their own trash.
Ok, here is mention of Morgan.
Allyuh remember, seriously, Hety is just 22 years old.
In reply to goofballs
true but they should start young to see the trees for the forest or something so. i am sure Dukes would agree
In reply to Courtesy
Dear, Poop-see:
compare
/kəmˈpɛː/
verb
1.estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
Now get to the back of the class!
In reply to Courtesy
mate people see what they want to see to argue their case. i have no issues parking that for a while to get on with substance of the matter
In reply to sudden
And what makes you think that wouldn't come with time?
In reply to Sangfroid
first things first answer my question to wit-
lets say i made a comparison to Morgan or in any case said Hety should look at how Morgan batted. why did you bring up Morgan's overall record when i mentioned how he batted in this innings?
I am sure the bobolee will now look up the meaning of "contrast."
On second thoughts, I don't think the Fraud will look it up and post the definition.
The two batters are strikingly different, so Hety must take a page from Morgan's batting book today.
The nuances again. This is where DeCoutesy eats them for breakfast.
In reply to sudden
How does one reconcile this:
With this:
Steady yourself, star. You're almost as slippery as Nincompoop.
In reply to Sangfroid
when you ready to continue tell me
In reply to sudden
I answered that already, here:
In reply to sudden
True, but they can't see a whole tree much less forest until they fully open their eyes.
In the village, however, they say change must be made before the limb branch out and gone its own way. Then it's too late.
In reply to Courtesy
A lot of things happen in your head, not all good.
Finally, the fraud has conceded that there was no comparison but a contrast in batting styles.
In reply to Courtesy
Again,
compare
verb
1. estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
Oh, Poop-see, one must know his place. At the back of the class...
You never did CXC... and saw these questions..."compare and contrast."
Who should have known the difference from primary school. You fool.
In reply to Sangfroid
Morgan's overall record whilst interesting is not valid in this case as i was arguing that this innings (restrictive), the way Morgan batted in this innings- that is how Hety should be batting. didnt i say that?
so again why bring up his overall record to seemingly negate my point?
In reply to Courtesy
Even when the evidence is staring right in front of you, you still doubt. Seek the therapy you need,star.
Continue to lick your gaping wounds with your tail between your legs and while at it, please study the nuances between "compare and contrast."
If I had an appetite for bobolees, I would have you for lunch, dinner and breakfast.
In reply to sudden
so again why bring up his overall record to seemingly negate my point?
Not sure how you cannot connect the dots. The answer to this question will, well, hopefully, answer your question: How did Morgan arrive at the point he is at now? To remind you, Morgan is 32, Hetty is 22. Morgan's ODI average is basically the same as Hetty. Morgan has played longer and in more matches than Hetty. Tell me why these facts are...um, irrelevant?
In reply to Courtesy
Who should have known the difference from primary school. You fool.
You are truly a dinosaur. Stay in your static bubble.
Ok, my morning fun has ended.
In reply to Sangfroid
i could see why you would think that would make sense to defuse what i said but they dont. how he batted today is where the issue lies. Morgan played proper cricket shots and didnt clear his front leg all the time and swing. that is what Hety should emulate. and that is the comparison if you want to call it that, my good man
if you want to speak to his overall batting average that is another matter. you seem to like to conflate issues. this is not an issue to conflate it is rather restrictive to how Morgan batted this innings- no more no less.
In reply to sudden
And this right there is the contrast - the striking difference.
In reply to Courtesy
exactly- see what i was getting to
In reply to sudden
Mate, I know you will never compare Hety at this atage of his career to Morgan.
In reply to Courtesy
you done know the deal, mate
In reply to sudden
1. Would you also concede that the how is a function of years of experience, among other things?
2. Not sure how you define, "proper cricket shots". Am I to take it that clearing the front leg is not a "proper cricket shot"?
3. I thought you already conceded that to "emulate" flows from a comparison in the first instance...
4. How did I conflate issues? The point of drawing your attention to their relative batting average was to point out the obvious...that is, in spite of your perception their output is just about the same...
In reply to Sangfroid
the jury has been dismissed and the judge has repaired to his chambers.
In reply to sudden
De fraud made an initial post which was tangential to the tenor of your thrust.
In reply to sudden
Case dismissed for want of corroborating evidence and legal grounds.
In reply to Sangfroid
were i you i would want to believe that too
Fun Eoin Morgan stat. Morgan scored more sixes today than Nasser Hussain scored in his 88 ODI career
In reply to Tryangle
In reply to Headley
Thanks, I check your post. I never knew that he ran the 400 until last week.
In reply to sudden
that is how Hety should be batting.
I think that the above statement was made without much aforethought.
We are currently in the midst of a 50 over One Day International World Cup and thus one's batting approach has to be flexible depending on the particular circumstance one finds oneself.as a general rule of thumb, every batsman should follow his own style of batting, particularly when one is hugely talented.
It seems to me that Hetmyer is vastly more talented than Morgan so the notion that the former should bat like the latter can only be said in a metaphorical sense, i.e you feel that Hetty should be more prudent in his shot selection.
I agree with that general sentiment but caution that it is the supreme confidence, bat speed and reflexes and singular mindset that allows differently talented players like Hetty to even attempt some of the shots they play.
You repeatedly ignore the fact that while lesser mortals who have scoring rates in excess of 100,they invariably average less than 30 and usually less than 25.an average of nearly 30 can be acquired due to numerous not outs when batting at # 7 or lower. Only the rare talents average anywhere near 40 with a scoring rate in excess of 100.This statistic seems to escape your comprehension despite me mentioning it repeatedly so I think you are being deliberately obtuse.
I counsel you to remain patient with young Hetmyer and accept the ride.I acknowledge that there will be ups and downs but in 13 years time we all would say WHAT A GREAT CAREER.
Lemme say this,3 young men from Guyana reached 1000 ODI runs at age 22 and two of them now retired had successful test and ODI careers.
Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Ronnie Sarwan, two guys I championed BEFORE they made their test debuts in 1994 and 2000 respectively turned out to have stellar careers. I can assure you that my confidence in my judgement in the 3rd case will prove to be just as prescient as in those cases.
I leave TIME to prove me correct.
SELAH
The problem is if Hety keep playing the way he does and wait until later in his career to construct an innings he will be lucky to make it to 32 playing any kind of cricket. If this is the way he insists on playing he better learn to bowl cuz not even 20/20 cricket can suffer a hit and miss vooper for long unless he is a bowling all rounder.
In reply to Dukes
you can always be counted on to speak eloquently to non issues. no one asked Hety to forgo his own batting style to copy Morgan's on the whole but merely to emulate yes emulate the cricket shots he played. did you note that Morgan seldom cleared his front leg and swung like Hety does frequently?
i posit that should Hety bat properly as he can he would be more effective consistently. as it is he seems to want to be a shot gun and sides have no problem in giving him a 50 with a few self satisfying 6s. if you are so pleased then so be it. but the lad can be so much more.
when i first started out in my trade we watched a lot of film of the stars of my trade. how they structured an argument and delivered. we saw them in person and we were encouraged to copy a style and work on it until we had our own style. cricket is not much different.
you keep harping about his runs now, his average now. that is the now man. if he continues on this swiping path i daresay that can change. is that what you want the lad to come to?
my referencing Morgan was only to show what can be achieved by batting normally and not this silly style of clearing the front foot and swinging to kingdom come. if he doesnt like Morgan's way or his average you have Kohli and other players who make runs, make runs consistently and dont swipe.
In reply to sudden
Lol...
I share your burden. It took some 73 posts to have you break down finely, what would have been anywhere else, elementary.
In reply to sudden
Yes I. In Blues and Jazz you have to learn to play the riffs and Jazz Standards as a start. And later strive to emulate the Ella Fitzgeralds, Dizzy Gillispies, Thelonius Monks, Herbie Hankcocks, Bill Evans etc.
As a young Jazz student, you don't compare or you are not comparing yourself to the Jazz greats - you attempt to emulate them.
Yes I, great post.
In reply to Courtesy
we await de Dukes response
In reply to sudden
I don't think Dukes needs to re-appear here on this topic. He has virtually summed it up nicely and has tacitly endorsed your general theme, albeit subconsciously.
Hety's batting style currently lacks flexibility and he should emulate Morgan.
In reply to Courtesy
to be honest i only said Morgan because he is left handed and made runs today. but there are other left-handers out there like Warner or Hety could look at some films of Lara or Sobers or even Shiv
In reply to sudden
I don't have a bad word to say about Shiv except he would never have gotten run out batting with Hope like Hetmyer did and Shiv placed a premium on his wicket.
In reply to Courtesy
Shiv and Hope running between the wicket would have been comical. i daresay Hope would never win any of those battles.
Hooper was a doozie at running between the wickets too
In reply to sudden
"that is how Hety should be batting."
So by comparing how they both batted in their respective innings you came to that conclusion?
In reply to sudden
HETTY
Chew on the above.
Reading your posts in this tread, one could never believe that Hetty has the kind of ODI record that he does.
COMMON SENSE tells us that a successful ODI batsman should have an ODI average of at least 35 with a scoring rate of over 90.Hetty has an average of 40 with a scoring rate of 109.
HPOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SUCH A RECORD?????
I CAN BET DOLLARS TO DOUGHNIUTS THAT YOU EVADE THAT QUESTION!!!!!
YOU NEVER ADDRESS HETTY'S ODI RECORD AND THAT IS BORDERLINE DISHONEST!!!!!
In reply to sudden
Q---HOW DO YOU CRITICIZE SOMEBODY WHO IS SUCCESSFUL?
A-----PRETEND THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL
Q-WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A SUCCESSFUL ODI BATSMAN???
We already know what criteria we use to define a successful test batsman.
We usually want an average of at least 40 after playing at least 50 test matches
Hola.....Hety and Sherfaine 2 exciting Guyanese batsmen that will have the fans talking always...
We have more in Guyana...its a factory in Guyana but too bad that they aint being given the chance for the main stage.
Gwaan Hety Malini and gwaan Shah Rhukhaford....
who jealous jealous....show dem its Guyana time
Adios
CB
4 pages of pure idleness
In reply to sudden
I saw an interesting statistical analysis which suggested that for ODI batsman a good measure of effectiveness for a batsman is to multiply their average by their scoring rate and if you get over 4000 you are successful.
Clearly this can only be applied to this current era of very high scores.I suppose back in the 80's it would be 3,000.
Just trying to get you to be more objective in your analysis of ODI cricket which seem totally based on aesthetics and not on results.
Following your logic Rowe is a better batsman than Viv.
In reply to Dukes
To pursue any further meaningful discourse can you elucidate what you think is Sudden's logic?
I think we need to be on the same page here.
In reply to Dukes
this doesnt sound like the Dukes i know. like Poonka you are- all over the place. you seem to be in fugue state, my friend. i hope this re-post gets you back on track-
i posit that should Hety bat properly as he can he would be more effective consistently. as it is he seems to want to be a shot gun and sides have no problem in giving him a 50 with a few self satisfying 6s. if you are so pleased then so be it. but the lad can be so much more.
when i first started out in my trade we watched a lot of film of the stars of my trade. how they structured an argument and delivered. we saw them in person and we were encouraged to copy a style and work on it until we had our own style. cricket is not much different.
you keep harping about his runs now, his average now. that is the now man. if he continues on this swiping path i daresay that can change. is that what you want the lad to come to?
my referencing Morgan was only to show what can be achieved by batting normally and not this silly style of clearing the front foot and swinging to kingdom come. if he doesnt like Morgan's way or his average you have Kohli and other players who make runs, make runs consistently and dont swipe.
In reply to sudden
I was hoping that Duke's could have given his perspective of your "logic" first.
You seem to be ahead of the game.
In reply to Courtesy
i didnt see your post or i would have waited. Dukes seems confused. his argument is not as cogent as the normal Dukes. and i am in the mood to argue. have been for a couple a days now. amazing what another abysmal cricket performance by the WI could do, ent?
In reply to sudden
I hope Dukes is ok in body and mind. He seem not to exude his usual fluidity of sound thought. Dukes is pivoting to a blister.
In reply to sudden
AGAIN YOU DO NOT ADDRESS HETTY'S ODI RECORD!!!!!!
In reply to Courtesy
Thank you for your concern re my mental status.
In reply to Dukes
I hope you are ok. Please confirm.
In reply to sudden
So teams are giving Hetty 50???
YOU ARE NOW IN TRUMPIAN TERRITORY
In reply to Courtesy
I can confirm I am fine.Mildly irritated by the complete lack of objectivity by one of the so-called thought leaders in Barbados.
In reply to Dukes
I am remined of the old adage: "Good, better, best. Never let them rest, until the good is better and the better becomes the best."
Do you agree with this?
In reply to Courtesy
Can you confirm that Hetty's batting style against Australia was the same against Bangladesh?
In reply to Courtesy
Yes I do.
However there is NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that one is trying to make the BETTER, BEST!!!!!!
ZERO STATEMENTS THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER IS BETTER!!!!
In reply to Dukes
It's there for everyone to see. I would hate to think that "5 million West Indians can be wrong."
Hety bats the same way without regard to circumstance.
The three outs in the India test series bears testimony to this. Even in test matches where he has the time to build an innings. Hety's lack of flexibility with his batting is indisputable.
"5 million West Indians" save Dukes cannot be wrong.
In reply to Courtesy
I asked you a specific question. Please answer it.
In reply to Dukes
ZERO STATEMENTS THAT THE SUBJECT MATTER IS BETTER!!!!
What do you make of the sinippet from Sudden quoted below?:
In reply to Dukes
It was the same batting but his usual style was needed in the Bangladesh innings.
In reply to Courtesy
I suggest that you stick to what you post, rather than try to speculate on what Sudden meant by his posts.
In reply to Dukes
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Ok boss. Sudden may very well be thinking otherwise. I agree.
In reply to Courtesy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are so busy trying to obfuscate,when all is required is an honest answer to the question as to whether Hetty's approach in the World cup match against Australia last week was the same as his approach to his innings against Bangladesh a couple days ago. a simple YES or NO would suffice.
In reply to Dukes
Courtesy:
Yes...the approach was the same. Do you want me to post in Dutch?
In reply to Courtesy
5 million West Indians follow WI cricket, really? Also, might I remind you; the people did prefer Barabbas when presented with a choice. They call this kind of logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum.
Can you prove it? As a sample, roughly 57% of his hundred against Bang at Providence did not comprise 4s and 6s. WI went on to win that game. Also of note, 75% of his hundreds result in WI wins.
In that series, Hetty was not reading Kuldeep, hence his approach. Things quickly changed in the ODIs, where Kuldeep was taken to the cleaners.
You are so superficial.
In reply to Courtesy
When I get time I will show the contrast between the 2 innings and then readers can judge whether you have any credibility whatsoever.
Fraud. That was poetic license you fool. You are trying too hard to breach the seawall.
As for the other part of your post, all this confirms is that Hety's game is better suited for ODI and fast foods and his swashbuckling style.
The intellectual rigor in your post above is akin to "Mary had a Little lamb."
In reply to Dukes
Fair enough.
In reply to Courtesy
No, it was more of the same with you - BS.
In reply to Dukes
sorry Dukes. i was in a pressing conference call. i do work or consult believe it or not.
i have watched most of Hety's innings and there is a progression toward slogging. at the beginning there was some attempt by Hety to bat properly shown by his hitting over mid off inside out and hitting down the ground but now there has been a marked propensity of clearing the front leg and swinging
In reply to sudden
For the UMPTEENTH TIME
COULD YOU ADDRESS HETTY'S ODI BATTING RECORD???
In reply to Dukes
Mate, don't look at just the average (mean). Please look at the difference between the Median and mean for Y2018 and Y2019 this should tell you a better story of the skewness of the data. Average (mean) on its own gives a limited perspective of the data set (limited view of what's happening).
This is interesting.
And I dare say it gives credence to Sudden's position. It does not point to consistency in his batting.
I'll be working out the Standard Deviation later.
In reply to Courtesy
thanks. we shall await Dukes's reply
In reply to Courtesy
In trying to come up with intellectual ways to diminish Hetty's ODI record you are talking about Median and Mean and skewing, none of which has any remote value to cricket. In fact it is 180 degrees away from importance because if a man makes 40 in 5 consecutive ODI matches as opposed to a guy who makes two 80's and a 40 followed by 2 ducks,it is more likely that the latter would have won 2 matches for his team while the former would have won none.
You are clearly grasping at straws with a smorgasbord of intellectual nonsense.
In reply to Dukes
in the words of Larr- steeeeeuuuupppps
In reply to Dukes
Don Quixote them is.
In reply to Dukes
Mate, your are kidding. This is the most asinine of your posts.
Sudden is arguing consistency in batting and you are using mean (average) as proof of consistency. You cannot be serious man. There are several methodologies to allow us to see the skewness or lack of centrality in a data set. I used the simplest of these methodologies to determine consistency.
No statistician uses mean (average) as proof of consistency. And you compounded it by saying "it has no place in cricket".
Cricket relies on stats mate. You have to use methodologies which allow you to see the wood from the trees. Dukes that is asinine stuff that you posted above, really.
Anyway dis done out of respect for you. I go no further with this ridiculous piece you posted above..
This is TABC stuff really. I am amazed.
In reply to Courtesy
THAT IS PATENTLY FALSE
I am not interested in consistency but in EFFECTIVENESS. The reason you have 6 batsmen in a team is that if two fire with centuries, then you are likely to win. We are trying to win matches because in ODI cricket there are no draws. Scoring rate is equally important and in some cases even more important than average, particularly in these days of very high scores in ODI cricket
In reply to Dukes
Dis more than done as it is the crux of Sudden's argument - to quote him "effective consistently":
As you can see can see from the above Sudden has no issue with effectiveness and DeCourtesy has no issue with effectiveness. The direction you have taken is tangential to Sudden's focus and purpose of the thread.
And now I will throw a spanner into the works...one can be effective without being efficient or consistent.
See you later.
In reply to Courtesy
Apart from Hetty, please name all the ODI batting failures who average 40 with a scoring rate in excess of 100.
In reply to Dukes
I do not wish to shift the focus and purpose of Sudden's consistently being effective argument. SORRY.
Much ado about nothing!!
If Hety and his entourage would follow the advice of the lead post, he might improve.
Otherwise, even God can't help.
In reply to goofballs
This is an aside (since I'm reading through this thread and saw you here)...
Did you see India call-up your boy Pant for the injured Dhawan?
Do you think Rishab will get a few opportunities at bat?
This is a funny thread. A really funny thread.
The extent of sophistry...
In reply to goofballs
That's not the debate.
In reply to Courtesy
I did what Dukes didn't do, I looked at Hetty's mean and median scores over the time period suggested - 2018 to 2019. If we were to eliminate the not-outs, his mean score is 37.5; the median is 21. The spread, 16.5. Now, these results are meaningless if there is no yardstick by which we can measure "consistency". Perhaps you can suggest what that is...What's Morgan's mean-median spread?
Also, Hetty's distribution is not unlike most batsmen - positively skewed; that is, the mean is greater than the median. Nothing to report here. For perspective, Lara had a mean-median spread at the end of his career of 18.02 in tests. Bradman's was a whopping 30.95. Would you people dare make an issue about their apparent lack of "consistency"?
In reply to goofballs
If Hety and his entourage would follow the advice of the lead post, he might improve.
Otherwise, even God can't help.
as simple as that.
or rather -
In reply to sudden
Improve relative to what/who? Morgan?
De Fraud can find no methodology to test the consistency of a skewed data set.
Fraud, try doing an SD and get back to me..
In reply to Sangfroid
i posit that should Hety bat properly as he can he would be more effective consistently.
In reply to Courtesy
i really cant take much more
In reply to sudden
Sometimes mate, you wonder.
In reply to Courtesy
suppose i say-
Russell should look at Morris bowling today and pitch up the ball and stop bowling bouncers and short balls like Gabriel, i wonder what the response would be?
In reply to Courtesy
Fraud, try doing an SD.
Nincompoop, you are the one who introduced the median to the discussion. You are the one who suggested/promised an analysis using SD. Now tell me, how exactly is SD going to help in any meaningful way in this discussion about consistency? Tell me Pearson's Skew Coefficient, or kurtosis. SD? Yuh tek man fuh fool.
Besides, measures of central tendency (mean, median...) are useless if there is no yardstick to measure the results. Try answering my questions, if you can...Nincompoop!
Now, let this soak in:
Link Text
In reply to Sangfroid
What does that gaping difference in Median, mode and mean that you worked out tell you?
They should be sending alarm bells all the way down your spineless ass.
SKUNK.
In reply to Courtesy
Idiot, what is the "accepted" spread between the two?
In reply to sudden
Russell should look at Morris bowling today and pitch up the ball and stop bowling bouncers and short balls like Gabriel, i wonder what the response would be?
That you are comparing Russel to Morris.
In reply to Sangfroid
Facking idiot. Go learn why we use these metrics.
What does the huge difference in median, mode and mean tell you? Nothing?
By this measure, since Hetmyers Test and ODI debuts he has scored 249 more runs than expected in Test cricket and 118 runs more than expected in ODI cricket this ranks him sixth in the world in both formats and mixing with some of the worlds very best players.
Now, take a seat.
In reply to JOJO
The thread is really fascinating when you poke your head in at intervals. I left it at a heated exchange of the complexities of the English Language and now I see we are onto Mathematics.
to Shimron Hetmeyer-
i apologise for attempting to tell you to bat properly. that you have the skills and cricket shots to be more effective consistently. i was wrong to so suggest. continue to clear your front leg and swing like Marlon Samuels. but dont forget that-
In reply to sudden
Yuh went wrong when ya decided to bring Morgan AND Samuels into it...
In reply to Sangfroid
seems so. i should have brought Sobers and Blackwood instead
In reply to sudden
There was zero need to bring anyone into the discussion, unless of course, you wanted to compare.
In reply to Sangfroid
yet you have said nothing about Marlon Samuels?
Tells the story.
40 average is effective but does not speak to the consistency.
The following example should be clear to all and sundry.
Consider a batsman battings 4 innings:
Scenario 1. 150, 7, 3, 0. = ave = 40
Scenario 2. 38,41,42.39 = ave = 40
That's why we need the various methodologies to allow us to see the wood from the trees. In scenario 1 there is the data is highly skewed and indicates a lack of consistency.
Fraud, you can use these data sets above to work out mode, median, mean and SD and see how they are applied practically.
You skunt.
In reply to Courtesy
Idiot,
Youuuuu still don't get it!!
In what way do you expect the SD is going to help in this discussion? Tell me...and why did you suggest the difference between the mean and median would give us better insights into Hetty's batting? WHY? No contortions, WHY?
In reply to Sangfroid
You facking skunt, your question above proves you know sweet fuckall. You just another garrulous, no brain, pretender Trini.
Now go GOOGLE to learn about the applicability of Standard Deviation or send your tuition fee for a statistics course from DeCourtesy... SKUNT!!!
In reply to Courtesy
Banna, deh pon yuh ights. Yuh tink ya clever, but yuh izza nincompoop!
I'm still waiting on your "analysis" using SD. You iz bare talks...
In reply to Sangfroid
If I had a liking for bobolee meat I would be having you for lunch, breakfast and dinner.
SKUNK.
I iz na Dukes, imma call yuh out on ya skunt...
In reply to Sangfroid
One raas delusional faak that. Trust me.
In reply to Sangfroid
Man stop climbing higher and exposing how bare your ass is. This is kindergarten stuff.
Facking Bobolee.
In reply to natty_forever
Of all the people of this board, Natty, I trust you. So, I take your word.
In reply to sudden
I made no comparison...steady yaself.
In reply to Courtesy
Mate, don't look at just the average (mean). Please look at the difference between the Median and mean for Y2018 and Y2019 this should tell you a better story of the skewness of the data. Average (mean) on its own gives a limited perspective of the data set (limited view of what's happening).
This is interesting.
And I dare say it gives credence to Sudden's position. It does not point to consistency.
I'll be working out the Standard Deviation later.
Wait a sec, are you about to lecture us on Gaussian distribution today?
In reply to TheTrail
Yep, if de Fraud wants me to lecture him on Gaussian distribution. Kindergarten stuff man.
De Skunt is a pretender. De man asking me about the usefulness of doing Standard Deviation when confronted with a data set.
Skunk.
In reply to Courtesy
The Defraud quoted Thomas Sowell as a great philosopher , that where he is intellectually.
Oops, there are two arguments going on here:
Courtesy and Duke
Sangfroid and Sudden
Interesting,continue.
In reply to tc1
I have actually read some of his essays in economics while studying for my Degree in Health economics and Planning.
In reply to Courtesy
Scenario 2. 38,41,42.39 = ave = 40
The batsman in scenario one has probably won 1 game for his team with a match winning 150.
The batsman in scenario 2 has probably not won any games for his team.
Who is more valuable to his team?
In reply to tc1
Yuh finally show ya face again. Get it right - great thinker. By the way, I'm still waiting for the critique of at least two of his works...and no, I'm talking about what you might have read in The New York Times or saw on CNN. Your own, independent thoughts.
In reply to Dukes
The batsman in scenario 2 has probably not won any games for his team.
Who is more valuable to his team?
If you are comfortable living in a world of speculation - by all means.
Conversely, he may have lost 3 games...but I avoid speculation at all costs.
In reply to Courtesy
I have actually read some of his essays in economics while studying for my Degree in Health economics and Planning.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So FCUKING WHAT.!!!!!
Lemme tell yuh
Dukes gat a PhD in Message board Bullcrap with a special concentration in cricket trivia
So yes ress yuh rass!!!!!!!
In reply to Dukes
Like you did'nt do any statistics with this course. No wonder.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Dukes, you need plenty of rest today man. That was unlike you today with all these weak arse posts.
In reply to Dukes
my apology to Shimron Hetmeyer-
i apologise for attempting to tell you to bat properly. that you have the skills and cricket shots to be more effective consistently. i was wrong to so suggest. continue to clear your front leg and swing like Marlon Samuels. but dont forget that-
In reply to sudden
Dukes done.
He left the stage with his last act - an insignificant, dry comedic piece.
You must say good bye to Dukes.
In reply to Courtesy
how about de Froid?
In reply to sudden
You mean Fraud? He climbed so high even monkey suck his balls and lick his ass from just below the forest canopy.
In reply to Sangfroid
I am sure that he have not read any of Thomas books either, I responded to you yesterday on this topic add you did not respond
Who are you, you are an economist,a lawyer, a mathematician, a philosopher , most of all a fraudster.
In reply to tc1
You did? Let me go check...
In reply to tc1
Yes, a damn pretender fraudster.
He has calabash innards for a brain. He is empty...vacuous but pretends.
His third or fourth coming to attempt to do a hatchet job for Chrissy.
This time he is attempting to use the smooth operator approach.
In reply to Dukes
Taking a look at this from a slightly different angle/perspective, it is reasonable to hypothesize (based on historical analysis & statistics) that by the time Hety gets to Morgan's age and the number of games Morgan has currently played, Hety would've been tremendously BETTER than Morgan currently is in his own right.
After 28 ODI innings (with both starting their careers around the same age --19 & 20 yo):
Morgan:
5, 50's
1, 100
and an average of 34.25 (800+ total runs)
Hety:
3, 50's
4, 100's
and an average of 40.64 (1,000+ total runs)
Suffice to say... Hety, after 28 ODI innings was and currently IS BETTER than Captain Morgan......
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
In reply to nick2020
What i find fascinating is the level of intellectual midgetary on display...and proudly so too!
In reply to JOJO
that is the original post that sparked this. now if it descended into a "level of intellectual midgetary" i am to blame.
hahahahahahaha
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Sudden will say, he was not comparing - he merely suggested Hetmyer "emulate" Morgan's stroke-play. Never mind a younger Morgan was not in Hetty's class.
In reply to Sangfroid
finally
In reply to Sangfroid
wait you posted Morgan's stats and did a work up on his career because in your words i compared him with Hety. but you never did a career work up on the other "comparison"Marlon Samuels. v interesting
In reply to sudden
Sangfroid is too seasoned to be born May 21 2019. Who is he a reincarnation of?
In reply to nick2020
A Trini frausdster working on behalf of Chrissy.
In reply to sudden
I did no such analysis on Morgan. But let's say I did....why would my failure to also look at Samuel's career be material?
In reply to Sangfroid
it would result in as much glee as you had when you celebrated the comparative post of RemainsUnknown
In reply to sudden
Yea, but you didn't ask Hetty to "emulate" Samuels...Morgan was the standard. BTW, I didn't celebrate, I had a good laugh.
In reply to Sangfroid
like the difference between you and Courtesy
In reply to sudden
One pontificates, the other shoots straight.
In reply to Sangfroid
i was thinking more along the lines of one is a froid and the other has the courtesy not to be
In reply to Sangfroid
Chrissy has a thread in the Back Room. Meet me there.
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Taking a look at this from a slightly different angle/perspective, it is reasonable to hypothesize (based on historical analysis & statistics) that by the time Hety gets to Morgan's age and the number of games Morgan has currently played, Hety would've been tremendously BETTER than Morgan currently is in his own right.
After 28 ODI innings (with both starting their careers around the same age --19 & 20 yo):
Morgan:
5, 50's
1, 100
and an average of 34.25 (800+ total runs)
Hety:
3, 50's
4, 100's
and an average of 40.64 (1,000+ total runs)
Suffice to say... Hety, after 28 ODI innings was and currently IS BETTER than Captain Morgan......
Well done.
1016 runs to be exact for Hetmeyer.
I was about to post that, but you beat me to it.
With that stat, I expect him to perform way better than Morgan at 100+ innings, just because of their trending averages from day one.
In reply to TheTrail
how is that germane to my lead post of
In reply to sudden
I am replying to Remainsunknown.
You guys could duke it out with your lead post.
Here tek a single for your double, and tek fresh guard. lol:
In reply to TheTrail
From day one Morgan averaged 99.
And no, you didn't help Sudden score the 200.
In reply to JOJO
We welcome you to participate in this tread as we need an intellectual "Colossus" to balance out us midgets.
All are welcome. Diversity of intellect is our strength on this board.
In reply to Dukes
In reply to sudden
Without intending to, Natty inadvertently hit the nail somewhere.
In reply to sudden
So by comparing how they both batted in their respective innings you came to that conclusion?
A discussion on two "particularly" contrasting innings has morphed into a comparison between the careers of the two individuals. lhm
In reply to Courtesy
lol lol lol
From day one Morgan averaged 99.
And no, you didn't help Sudden score the 200.
Morgan's 99 is what you call beginners luck.
No? Rass, I should have run Sudden out like Shai did...
In reply to TheTrail
Ok it's day one beginners luck.
Thanks, but we move into another realm..
In reply to Discourse
There was no morphing...it was, by virtue of referencing another and suggesting one should "emulate" the other, a comparison...There is no escaping this.
In reply to sudden
I find it curious that in the midst of the most important ODI matches i.e The World Cup you seek to inject Test average.To compound matters, you mistakenly(here I am being generous)post that Hetty's test average is 29.70 instead of 30.16.I rather suspect that the reluctance to actually post the 40.64 ODI average caused this rather odd deviation but nevertheless the presumably paltry average of 29.70 is still better than the abysmal 28.06 currently being posted by the current pride and joy of Bim who us mudbrains dare not criticize and who has been playing a tad longer in both first class and test cricket than the swiper/canecutter/clearer of his front leg/duncie young whippersnapper.As I observed in one of my early posts,FACTS CAN BE A STUBBORN MOFO.
BTW Spuds thinks that Hetty can not bat and should watch tapes of Don Pagon to learn how to bat.
He sends his regards and is enjoying how you are schooling me on the intricacies of batting.
In reply to Discourse
A jackass made a tangential move in order to impress his employer Chrissy.
compare
verb
1.estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between.
comparison
noun
1.a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.
In reply to Sangfroid
The comparison was clearly made between the innings and not the individuals.
Ask Natty...
In reply to sudden
So by comparing how they both batted in their respective innings you came to that conclusion?
...and that doesn't mean your definition is wrong
con·trast
noun
1.
the state of being strikingly different from something else in juxtaposition or close association.
The above definition is selective, precise and concise. Its use is reserved for posters who are nuanced and not straight jacketed.
The use of the word in its precise meaning differentiates the men from the boys...those with a flair for words...public speakers...
In reply to Discourse
Um....no...
In reply to Sangfroid
his particular way of batting (playing normal cricket shots) in that particular innings as opposed to Hety clearing his front leg and swinging like Marlon Samuels---jeez what is so difficult to understand
In reply to sudden
Let me remind you that you said "you have time for him."
He is depending on you now to play to the gallery.
The Fraud.
As soon as he comes, I lick him down hard.
In reply to sudden
This too sweet...SOOOOOO, you are saying Marlon has never played such an innings to point Hetty in that direction/innings?
Tooo sweeet.....
The contortions!
In reply to Dukes
as i recall Spuds used to say as long as the batsman get to the pitch of the ball. by clearing his front leg and swinging can you say that Hety is getting to the pitch of the ball?
BTW that particular cited bit about averages was to highlight that where you are now is no guarantee of where you may end up.
In reply to Sangfroid
quite an ass you are as opposed to Josh
Like I said, banna...it is inescapable.
In reply to Courtesy
i take that back man
even Dukes have given up on him
In reply to sudden
Good fi you.
In reply to Discourse
there you have it
In reply to Sangfroid
you said this
where did i say Hety should "emulate" Morgan?
i said=
isnt there some clue in the statement- "Not clearing his front leg and swinging at everything. he is too good a batsman to be emulating Marlon Samuels" refers to style and not career comparison. even if that was the case why have you never mentioned or compared Marlon's career with Hety and or Margan's?
In reply to sudden
Morgan has been consistent with this approach. why not emulate Morgan?
In reply to sudden
"You have scotch'd the snake not killed it."
In reply to Sangfroid
Froid in style man. consistently playing good cricket shots you wanker
In reply to Sangfroid
It took you a long time to get the gist of the thread...you are a Fraud trying to create an impression. You are not of that timbre.
In fact, you are an empty Fraud.
I hope Sudden has killed the snake "for good".
In reply to Courtesy
Morgan has been consistent with this approach. why not emulate Morgan?
he failed to highlight this portion
In reply to Courtesy
he is as thick as the amazon
In reply to sudden
You seeit too.
De Fraud.
All that awaits him is his burial...no, no, no he may have young vipers in his belly. I say burn him instead.
In reply to sudden
It was a belligerent knock but congrats on your double
In reply to sudden
"that is how Hety should be batting."
So by comparing how they both batted in their respective innings you came to that conclusion?
In reply to natty_forever
Don't let them die just quite yet... Let let them suffer a bit more...
In reply to nick2020
Indeed, indeed. Sudden for Bajan PM.
Btw, it says a lot when your only cheerleader is a Natty pork eating rasscal.
Better than a batty licker!
I just throw me lil' corn.
natty_forever 6/20/19, 4:03:13 PM
have a drink (smoke) like CussDem before coming on here. Even when he cussing he laafing and smiling all bout the place! Have a good day!
I know you Rasscal have eating pork before posting...not too sure about smoking de caca boeuf.
Delusional as Faak! Quoting Rasta and have no idea what the Dread a seh!
In reply to natty_forever
Pork eating Rasscal.
And you have plenty insights on me. Damn pussycat.
In reply to Courtesy
Me cum into this worl alone,champ....my ideas are formed thru independent thought. I dnt need or care for cheerleaders. That's for ur kind...
Don Quixote you good? You seeing Pork-mills now?
No insights, just when you type, I see you clearly!
In reply to Sangfroid
Thanks for dumping Rasscal Natty. You seem better than the Rasscal who can hardly string two sentences together. You have done the right thing Fraud. Rasscal cannot even help you to clean your own vomit on this thread. Disavow yourself of that Rassclat.
Baby steps dat Fraud, on the road to humility and knowing rank here..
Next time look around first to determine who you can beat up on...start with Natty Posrkeating Rasscal.
In reply to Sangfroid
Reminds me of Trump.
In reply to natty_forever
natty you ought to be ashamed man
In reply to sudden
Why?
In reply to natty_forever
Ignore them chaps...remember, it's all about "smoke and mirrors", little substance. When them ready fuh par on real issues, them can call...
In reply to Sangfroid
Word!
In reply to natty_forever
re starting this thread
In reply to sudden
not smart like you all. And how else a going learn to "string two sentences together".
In reply to Sangfroid
Good. Now that you have stopped barking and you have determined your rightful place in the pecking order. I will start your training tomorrow. This evening you will have to be de-wormed.
What's on the menu today?
Oh, it's the start of training.
What Morgan saying today. Should we do a comparison with his last inning? What Was the difference today?
Bump.
In reply to natty_forever
Yes, let's look at the similarities and dissimilarities - compare-, shall we?
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