HEADLINE: Lloyd: Donít touch Holder

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link CaribbeanCricket.com Joined: Mar 5, 2003
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7/10/19, 2:57:29 PM 

Don’t dare think of firing Jason Holder as captain of the West Indies cricket team!

That stern warning has come from the man who appointed him four years ago, Clive Lloyd, the former successful West Indies captain and chairman of selectors, who believes the problem in the regional team doesn’t begin and end with Holder.

In a passionate and emotional interview, Lloyd said it would be “silly” to blame Holder for the West Indies not qualifying for the semi-finals of the World Cup and furthermore for their failings in One-Day Internationals over the last four years.

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link jacksprat Joined: Dec 17, 2002
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7/10/19, 3:10:12 PM 
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"Don't touch Holder as captain" because it would reflect poorly on the great Clive Lloyd who, almost half a decade ago, claimed to have 'seen' something in Holder that would portend great captaincy!

Holder is one of my favourite players, who can easily walk into this team on merit, but the jury is still out on his tactical acumen as a captain.

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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7/10/19, 3:47:00 PM 
Lloyd is just being rational

link Fivestar Joined: Aug 30, 2003
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7/10/19, 3:59:10 PM 
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

What the hell is Clive Lloyd smoking? Of course there has to be a change in captaincy. In my view, it comes down to Hope and Hetmeyer. Hope would be my choice. Hetmeyer makes too many poor decisions and is therefore too immature to be captain at this time.

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7/10/19, 4:02:49 PM 
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Fuzzy

supporting ya homie



lol

link Halliwell Joined: May 13, 2005
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7/10/19, 4:03:44 PM 
Lloyd appointed him
Of course he wants to save face

link doosra Joined: May 25, 2004
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7/10/19, 4:03:50 PM 
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tall?

elegant?

oh yea , come een Larr big grin big grin big grin

even Larr jumped this ship a while back big grin

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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7/10/19, 4:09:53 PM 
In reply to sgtdjones
Lloyd is bajan ent?

link StumpCam Joined: Dec 31, 2003
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7/10/19, 4:13:17 PM 
I believe I now know why Lloyd is in love with Jason Holder.
Lloyd has a son who is similarly built as Holder that never lived up to be the sportsman that Clive was......and guess what, his name is Jason! lol lol

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 15, 2017
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7/10/19, 4:13:18 PM 
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He grandma from lil hingland?

lol lol

link doosra Joined: May 25, 2004
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7/10/19, 4:13:37 PM 
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his parents? big grin
doh count?

link Larr Pullo Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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7/10/19, 4:14:47 PM 
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Say what? I agree with Lloyd. Why change captains? That wasn’t the main problem during this World Cup.

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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7/10/19, 4:15:18 PM 
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Wha bout Gibbs and Basil B?

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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7/10/19, 4:18:10 PM 
When nz let aus off and barely escaped we they say he too laid back. They wanted the aggresive Kohli type.

Guess what laid back smiling kane dismissed hyper pouty Kohli.

link conman Joined: Oct 11, 2011
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7/10/19, 4:18:53 PM 
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thats what i dont understand with folks, there actually is no proper captain replacement that can cause a fundamental change to team from loosing to winning, i dont think that exist in the modern game for any team

link jacksprat Joined: Dec 17, 2002
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7/10/19, 4:30:38 PM 
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..there actually is no proper captain replacement that can cause a fundamental change to team from loosing to winning

Wasn't that the same rationalization that was being posited to justify the supposedly irreplaceable Darren Sammy weighing down the team as a virtual passenger for 4 years?

At least, to his credit, Jason Holder is actually a real cricketer -one of our best players, to boot-who is able to contribute with both bat and ball.

link WICFan Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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7/10/19, 4:36:56 PM 
Anyone else with that ODI record as a captain and I'm sure Lloyd would be calling for their heads.

link hubert Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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7/10/19, 4:49:02 PM 
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No he is not..He should have said..'Appoint him for life'

big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin

link Narper Joined: Jan 3, 2003
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7/10/19, 4:58:52 PM 
Big PUC-C senile or what?

Name ANY other country playing international cricket would retain a captain after 4 years of losing in ODI cricket.

Try somebody else.

Holder retains his place in the team as a player

link dayne Joined: May 28, 2007
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7/10/19, 5:10:37 PM 
If Lloyd does not want Holder to be touched he should wake Holder up, educate him about playing proactive cricket. Lloyd was a very aggressive captain, I am surprised that he is not critiquing about Holder's passive style of captaincy.

link rillo Joined: Nov 28, 2009
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7/12/19, 8:34:06 AM 
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A captain and coach should be given a good evaluation after such a big tournament like this WC.
While Holder did soso his captaincy was poor.
Coaching was poor.
So why should they be left alone?
Who gave LLOYD THE RIGHT TO SAY A CAPTAIN cannot be changed?
The selectors should be the first one to be fired. They did a piss poor job in not picking a balanced team. They picked too many injured players hoping they came good but instead it backfired on them greatly.
So coaches, selectors and captain must go. Let them understand that performance at the highest level is required not poor results and it is okay.

link BC Joined: Jul 4, 2019
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7/12/19, 9:34:18 AM 
In all respect to Mr Lloyd someone who I will always be grateful I however respectfully disagree.
In the present wi set up your captain should come from among your most capped and consistent players with a business like approach and the winning instinct aka killer instinct...my top pic therefore is Roach.

 

link LBW375 Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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7/12/19, 9:44:46 AM 
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Who gave LLOYD THE RIGHT TO SAY A CAPTAIN cannot be changed?


So you have a right to call out Clive Lloyd but he doesn't have a right to express himself ?

Lloyd had a right to his own opinion, and based on his experience and successes, his opinion is more informed than everyone on this mb

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/12/19, 10:04:03 AM 
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If yuh claiming Lloyd,Gibbs and Butcher yuh gat fuh tek Larr and Dukes too.

Yuh willing to do that???

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

link BC Joined: Jul 4, 2019
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7/12/19, 10:04:57 AM 
Lloyd was a great captain. Richards was a greater captain with a higher winning percentage.

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