So says Sussex Cricket. Dey called Archer ah Sussex Legend and ah English Legend.
Very Nice Video Tribute
TriniD has called him ah Traiter (wid tongue in cheek), but seriously, knowing how effed up we are in de Caribbean.
Would he have been dis good had he stuck in out in de Caribbean?
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Jofra -- Sussex/English LEGEND
2019-07-16 16:40:44
2019-07-16 16:42:35
In reply to Trinidave
What does TraitorDave think?? 
2019-07-16 16:47:49
In reply to Trinidave
Probably not, Sussex got him more exposure that may not have been possible in the WI setup.
2019-07-16 16:54:06
In reply to Trinidave
Would he have been dis good had he stuck in out in de Caribbean?
I doubt it—but not for all the reasons lots of people put forward.
It true that he had a better system and better coaches. But Archer knows that if he did not listen, follow the advice, and work hard he would not have made it to the WC. He knows that if he does not continue to work hard and produce results, they will easily throw him out of the team.
Contrast that with my favorites—Hope, Hetmyer, Bravo, Holder, Gabriel. These guys know they will be playing against India and they know that they will be playing for West Indies in 2020. If the team drops them, they go back to the regional tournaments, get one good score or take a few wickets against substandard batting, and they get right back in. So what is the incentive for them to seek advice, listen, and work hard.
2019-07-16 17:17:19
In reply to JOJO
Contrast that with my favorites—Hope, Hetmyer, Bravo, Holder, Gabriel. These guys know they will be playing against India and they know that they will be playing for West Indies in 2020. If the team drops them, they go back to the regional tournaments, get one good score or take a few wickets against substandard batting, and they get right back in. So what is the incentive for them to seek advice, listen, and work hard.
Sad but true. Good enough gets you in in the West Indies.
2019-07-16 17:24:57
In reply to JOJO
I think you're taking shots at the Icon, Marlon Samuels.
However, Samuels tried. He even emulated the great Shiv by purchasing his own bowling machine so that he didn't have to "depend" on playing with the locals while seeking to keep himself fit and in form.
2019-07-16 18:08:54
In reply to JOJO
Contrast that with my favorites—Hope, Hetmyer, Bravo, Holder, Gabriel. These guys know they will be playing against India and they know that they will be playing for West Indies in 2020. If the team drops them, they go back to the regional tournaments, get one good score or take a few wickets against substandard batting, and they get right back in. So what is the incentive for them to seek advice, listen, and work hard.
Twisted Logic ...
What about Ambris, Allen and Fatwall?
2019-07-16 18:12:01
In reply to Barry
Twisted Logic ...
Huh?
2019-07-16 21:45:13
In reply to Barry
What about Ambris, Allen and Fatwall?
Dis makes JOJO's point.
2019-07-16 21:59:59
In reply to Trinidave
The local environment through out the region, hamper the development of the young cricketers.
I watched some of the A team match today, the guys seem not prepared for the tournament.
How much work is done by these players, away from competition?
2019-07-17 00:32:55
In reply to Trinidave
Clyde Butts on Mason tonight admitted that they missed a trick but that others were better than him back then so he was parked oneside.
Butts also admitted that Bravo and Kane Williamson played against each other too...and Bravo then was waaaay better....
Now look at today.
We need to do an enema and get some heads out of the sand...
All this talent and we are not getting the best out of the lads
2019-07-17 00:47:03
In reply to Trinidave
I expanded his point and adjusted his gaze . . .
2019-07-17 01:41:09
Out of curiosity, how much time did the traitor Archer spend with Sussex vs time in the Barbados system?
I hear Archer used to practice his bowling in a graveyard. He bowled to tombstones I understand. I want to believe that Archer did like Robert Johnson and made a deal wit de devil!!! 
2019-07-17 02:12:21
Defratis played U19 for the West Indies and then played for England, these things will happen,more guys tried and fail than those that succeed, so even if he was picked for U19 he could have gone to the Poms.
2019-07-17 02:27:17
In reply to powen001
Our players do not optimize their potential. Part of it is they do not improve their games. Joe Root for example, has added many facets to his game just in the past 3 years.
2019-07-17 10:55:32
It is not just the cricket set up that is woefully weak. In the Caribbean, hardwork is often despised..anyone with authority who pushes their charges hard is called massa. We have lots of interfering folks who sabotage the work of coaches and supervises and encourage charges to be non cooperative and rebellious in the face of hard work. This culture makes it a challenge to excel
2019-07-17 19:10:44
In reply to Baje
In the Caribbean, hardwork is often despised..anyone with authority who pushes their charges hard is called massa. We have lots of interfering folks who sabotage the work of coaches and supervises and encourage charges to be non cooperative and rebellious in the face of hard work. This culture makes it a challenge to excel
Don't know. Tink we have players who work hard but dey don't work hard on what dey should be working hard on...
2019-07-17 23:47:11
In reply to Larr Pullo
Archer’s pace bowling is so elegant that it is a surprise to learn he only took it up aged 15. A growth spurt saw his coaches at Christ Church Foundation School, just up from Oistins suggest he take it up.
“He was about 15 when he was introduced to fast bowling,” says Nhamo Winn, cricket coach at Foundation. “He took to it very quickly. He was just a natural cricketer who could do anything he wanted. We did a bit of technical work on his action and harnessing his balance, but within about six months of taking up bowling, he was bowling about 80mph.
At Foundation, Archer is most fondly remembered for taking five wickets and hitting 86 to win a 2013 schools cup final . Winn remembers a freakishly natural sportsman, whose love for cricket was fostered by his stepfather.
Seibert Straughn, another Foundation coach who also worked with Archer at that time, says: “He was a very pleasant youngster. The smiley guy you see now? That’s Jofra Archer from his schooldays. He still comes back whenever he’s in Barbados and we follow his progress closely
“He was about 15 when he was introduced to fast bowling,” says Nhamo Winn, cricket coach at Foundation. “He took to it very quickly. He was just a natural cricketer who could do anything he wanted. We did a bit of technical work on his action and harnessing his balance, but within about six months of taking up bowling, he was bowling about 80mph.
At Foundation, Archer is most fondly remembered for taking five wickets and hitting 86 to win a 2013 schools cup final . Winn remembers a freakishly natural sportsman, whose love for cricket was fostered by his stepfather.
Seibert Straughn, another Foundation coach who also worked with Archer at that time, says: “He was a very pleasant youngster. The smiley guy you see now? That’s Jofra Archer from his schooldays. He still comes back whenever he’s in Barbados and we follow his progress closely
2019-07-17 23:57:10
In reply to Larr Pullo
We’d spend every day practising. He’d be up at the crack of dawn and after work we’d practise until the sun was down."said
Patrick Waithe, the stepdad of Jofra Archer
However, moving to England wasn't part of the original plan.
As a youth, Archer did nothing else but play cricket with his stepdad.
"He’d be up at the crack of dawn and after work we'’d practise until the sun was down.
“He was just the loveliest of boys, so easy to coach. He has grown into a fine young man, one we are proud of. Waithe would take his adopted son to a pitch next to a graveyard with a load of tennis balls wrapped in tape to mimic the movement of a cricket ball.
Patrick Waithe, the stepdad of Jofra Archer
However, moving to England wasn't part of the original plan.
As a youth, Archer did nothing else but play cricket with his stepdad.
"He’d be up at the crack of dawn and after work we'’d practise until the sun was down.
“He was just the loveliest of boys, so easy to coach. He has grown into a fine young man, one we are proud of. Waithe would take his adopted son to a pitch next to a graveyard with a load of tennis balls wrapped in tape to mimic the movement of a cricket ball.
2019-07-18 01:37:19
In reply to Barry
Twisted Logic: What about Ambris, Allen and Fatwall?
Saw Fatwall in the field a day or two ago... larger than ever.
I don't think you can twist him...
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2019-07-18 13:51:40
In reply to JOJO
So your essentially saying that playing for WI his attitude would have been different. He would feel entitled and become a pre-madonna which would impact his performance. Now that he is playing for the white man he knows he has to work hard and perform and develop a more wholesome attitude. Got ya!
2019-07-18 19:50:47
In reply to JOJO
So what is the incentive for them to seek advice, listen, and work hard.
We are all very disappointed in the performance of the West Indies team. However,the notion that the players are not trying their best is nonsense.We refuse to accept that we are not good enough and that we do not have proper systems in place to develop our players so they can compete and win so we go for the easy explanation.The players don't care.The players just want money.The players are lazy.
2019-07-18 23:27:15
Archer is a joke.
Long career ? No.
Ipl t20 career ...yeah for a while.
2019-07-19 14:51:01
In reply to Dukes
However,the notion that the players are not trying their best is nonsense.
Dat is what TriniD said. TriniD will retype below:
Tink we have players who work hard but dey don't work hard on what dey should be working hard on...
And what TriniD meant is dat de players need coaching. For example, Gabriel may be working too hard on bowling quicker, whereas, he should focus on greater variety.
2019-07-19 23:19:10
In reply to Dukes
you need a system that will socialize them into a conduct of professionalism.
2019-07-20 12:23:54
In reply to oldcar
Archer is a joke.
u kno dis how????
2019-07-20 13:33:08
In reply to che
He know because he is too is a big joke.....what they say?...it takes one to know one......pity the fool.
2019-07-20 14:54:16
In reply to cherri
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