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black 2019-08-11 22:45:07 

As it relates to business.

Good or bad?

 
nitro 2019-08-11 22:56:16 

In reply to black

Maximising profits within the confines of the law is great business.

 
steveo 2019-08-11 23:08:52 

In reply to nitro

The law and law-makers is bought and paid for.

For example the 2008 financial crisis, the real losers the home owners who were left broke and penniless while wall street was largely bailed out.

 
sudden 2019-08-11 23:09:36 

In reply to nitro

true

 
black 2019-08-11 23:23:21 

In reply to steveo

Yes it was greed but it was also bad business practices.

Do you have a better motivator than greed?

 
Drapsey 2019-08-12 00:36:32 

In reply to black

Do you have a better motivator than greed?

Yes, Socialism.

Next time vote for Uncle Bernie.

 
black 2019-08-12 00:47:10 

In reply to Drapsey

Yes, Socialism. 

Next time vote for Uncle Bernie.



I'll pass on the Bern. lol

 
steveo 2019-08-12 01:38:20 

In reply to black

Yes it was greed but it was also bad business practices.


Dont gimme that BS about bad practices, they knew exactly what they were doing and they KNEW the govt would bail them out.

How many got jailed for the bad business practice?


Another key motivator is

fear

fear of losing dominance etc, etc

 
black 2019-08-12 02:21:56 

In reply to steveo

Dont gimme that BS about bad practices, they knew exactly what they were doing and they KNEW the govt would bail them out


The government would have to get into their business if they want a bailout.

Why would anyone want that?

Another key motivator is 

fear 

fear of losing dominance etc, etc


That would mean they are reactive instead of proactive.

 
steveo 2019-08-12 02:57:16 

In reply to black


The government would have to get into their business if they want a bailout.

Why would anyone want that?


What is the negative of govt in wall street when wall street owns the govt?

Did that stop the mega bonuses from being paid out for crashing the economy?

Are you gonna pretend to not know the ties between wall street and the govt?

 
black 2019-08-12 03:16:02 

In reply to steveo

So, "too big to fail" was just an excuse to bailout the banks?

 
steveo 2019-08-12 12:32:14 

In reply to black

So, "too big to fail" was just an excuse to bailout the banks?


Not necessarily, but why reward them?

Keep the bank(the entity) afloat, punish the individuals. Could have sold it off.

But why are you rewarding the individuals responsible...how about seizing all the assets gained from the illegalities?

It again demonstrates the US is the most corrupt country in the world, in my opinion, it is only because of the vastness of its riches and its military it does not go the way of third world countries

 
pelon 2019-08-12 14:00:40 

Nothing about greed is good.

Greed as a business philosophy has nothing to do with success/viability/longevity - and all greed ends the same: failure.

Don't confuse ambitious corporate stratagems with the avaricious nature innate to greed (and greedy individuals).

Jack Ma, Warren Buffett and Jeff Bezos are NOT innately greedy, where as Trump, Maddoff, Eron et al. are.


Do you have a better motivator than greed?

Why, no, HOW can you call greed a motivator???

 
black 2019-08-12 14:07:36 

In reply to pelon

necessity is the mother of invention


Greed can easily fit in there.

Greed can explain the success of capitalism and the failure of Communism.

 
Bigzinc 2019-08-12 14:08:14 

In reply to steveo

school them steve...

 
pelon 2019-08-12 14:12:27 

In reply to black

Greed can explain the success of capitalism and the failure of Communism.

Bro, the oligarchs (emperors in Communism) are as greedy as the they come.

Greed is universal. All greed is toxic.

 
black 2019-08-12 14:18:49 

In reply to pelon

Bro, the oligarchs (emperors in Communism) are as greedy as the they come.


True, but they also undermine themselves by not giving the workers enough.

People are greedy by nature, the more they get the more they want. 

And, the less they get, the less incentives there are to work hard and be creative.

 
black 2019-08-12 14:40:50 

In reply to pelon

I think we are debating two different things, you are talking about the moral factor and I am talking about the motivational factor.

 
pelon 2019-08-12 14:56:04 

In reply to black

Greed is not a motivator.

 
black 2019-08-12 15:08:46 

In reply to pelon

How can you say greed is not a motivator when we see examples everywhere?

 
pelon 2019-08-12 15:20:29 

In reply to black

One who is greedy is motivated by materialism, quest for more etc. That selfish, insatiable process is called greed.

Greed in of itself is not motivational, the object of your greed is.

Working with you to show that you can't be motivated by greed. Greed is the process, whereas the motivation is the object(s) that which is sought. (lots more of it!)

 
black 2019-08-12 15:51:07 

In reply to pelon

Greed in of itself is not motivational, the object of your greed is


Come on man, don't you think people have figured out that money is the route to more material things? lol

I'm not sure I buy that material argument thing, people don't have to buy stuff, just the fact that the money is there is comforting enough.

In other words, the money itself is material because it gives them options to buy whatever, whenever.

 
nitro 2019-08-20 23:26:17 

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Profitabilty is numero uno. Not at the expense of people lives (Boeing), that is greed.