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If I were to place a bet on whom will

 
Toney 2020-05-04 19:15:56 

 
Ewart 2020-05-04 21:02:10 

In reply to Toney

Who.


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sudden 2020-05-04 21:39:26 

In reply to Toney

Black - any day any night

 
ponderiver 2020-05-05 02:03:16 

In reply to Ewart

Yuh know rolleyes

 
black 2020-05-05 02:29:19 

In reply to sudden

What is this about?

 
Toney 2020-05-05 03:00:51 

In reply to Ewart

Trump! Too cunning and politically astute for the inept Joe Biden.

 
JayMor 2020-05-05 04:25:22 

In reply to Toney

Too criminal-minded and bloody corrupt, you mean.

--Æ.

 
birdseye 2020-05-05 11:11:34 

In reply to JayMor
The trump china pandemic argument is from the same playbook of ‘Obama was not born in Hawaii – I have people looking into it and you wouldn’t believe what they have found, but I can’t tell you what they have found’ – fast forward to corona – trump says he has intelligence info that the virus was created in a Wuhan lab – what is the intelligence Mr. President? ‘I can’t tell you, I am not allowed to tell you, I am not allowed to say’ – and his followers eat that stuff up…… caravan of five million Latin Americans are on their way to the southern border ---- election over ---- the caravan disappears --- how stupid can his supporters be, is every one of them so lacking in the necessities of life, or are they so stuck in their inherited ancestral ways? ---- I guess not all brain-processes are accompanied by consciousness , some are just regulatory reflex

 
sudden 2020-05-05 12:26:18 

that lies and ignorance could be seen as being
cunning and politically astute is an indictment on American voters and not Trump

 
birdseye 2020-05-05 13:15:49 

In reply to sudden

that lies and ignorance could be seen as being
cunning and politically astute is an indictment on American voters and not Trump
It’s all of that – the question is – what driving the marketing of this falsehood and what’s motivating the unquestioned reception by his followers? It’s like they were waiting for this emancipator, who is now finally here

 
Ewart 2020-05-05 15:25:44 

In reply to Toney

Who.


Not whom.


cool


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Toney 2020-05-05 15:50:12 

In reply to Ewart

Disagree! If I precede the pronoun with the preposition on the case of the pronoun must be objective.

Therefore the objective pronoun whom and not the subjective pronoun who

 
JayMor 2020-05-05 16:04:05 

In reply to Toney

All your words immediately above are kind of true, but you're not there yet, boss. So far, we have "If I were to place a bet on whom will [...]" but you must finish the sentence first before it can be determined whether you're wrong or right. Here's a case wherein you'd be wrong:

If I were to place a bet on whom will win in November...

--Æ.

 
embsallie 2020-05-05 20:42:57 

In reply to Toney

Disagree! If I precede the pronoun with the preposition on the case of the pronoun must be objective.

Therefore the objective pronoun whom and not the subjective pronoun who
.

Beg to differ. Ewart is correct. No amount and use of prepositions is going to help you on this one.

Your answer to a question of Whom or Who must always revert back to Him/Her or He/She. This is as simplistic as it gets without going into semantics.
Whom goes with Him or Her and
Who goes with He or She.

So I will ask the question

Who/Whom will win the elections? Answer: He (Trump) will win the elections. Therefore you cannot use Whom since, Him (Trump) will win does not make grammatical sense
On Whom will you bet to win the elections? Answer: I will bet on Him (Trump). I will bet on He (Trump) does not make grammatical sense

Preposition or not the answer must make grammatical sense.

Who/ Whom do you love? Is the answer I love she or I love her? Therefore the question with whom do you love should have the answer I love her.

Remember:
Whom = Him/ Her
Who = He/ She

 
Ewart 2020-05-05 20:43:04 

In reply to Toney

Interesting!


Would be grateful you show me the grammar book that certifies that rule.


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Ewart 2020-05-05 21:29:53 

In reply to embsallie

Exactly.

I suspect he is mixing up two rules, that is if his offered preposition rule exists!



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sudden 2020-05-05 21:31:50 

In reply to embsallie

There are exceptions to that rule

 
embsallie 2020-05-05 21:40:23 

In reply to sudden

If there are, they are very rarely used. I know most rules will have an exception here and there, for example the letter "i" usually comes before "e" except if "i" is preceded by the letter "c".
So Believe, Sieve, Reprieve; However Receive, deceit are two examples that do not follow that rule.

So give give me an example where the above rule in question would be nullified.
I am not being facetious.

DO you agree with Toney's use of WHOM in his topic line?

 
sudden 2020-05-05 21:43:14 

In reply to embsallie

Your answer to a question of Whom or Who must always revert back to Him/Her or He/She. This is as simplistic as it gets without going into semantics.
Whom goes with Him or Her and
Who goes with He or She.

So I will ask the question

Who/Whom will win the elections? Answer: He (Trump) will win the elections. Therefore you cannot use Whom since, Him (Trump) will win does not make grammatical sense
On Whom will you bet to win the elections? Answer: I will bet on Him (Trump). I will bet on He (Trump) does not make grammatical sense

Preposition or not the answer must make grammatical sense.

Who/ Whom do you love? Is the answer I love she or I love her? Therefore the question with whom do you love should have the answer I love her.

Remember:
Whom = Him/ Her
Who = He/ She


Given that rule which is correct ?

The phone rang. She asked me who/whom was it?

Can you tell me who / whom I should talk to?

I can’t remember who /whom told me.

 
JayMor 2020-05-05 21:45:21 

In reply to Ewart

The nominative case demands who; the objective case calls for whom (although we usually still say "who"). The former has to be the subject of the sentence or clause; the latter is the objective clause, which is usually preceded by a preposition (like Toney's "on").

In my post above I was trying to bait Toney to finish his sentence to see if he'd pull it off. I'll give two sentences below; the first is the same wrong one from above. The second one, still using "on whom" will be grammatically correct.

1. If I were to place a bet on whom will win in November... [X]
2. If I were to place a bet on whom I believe will win in November... [R]

--Æ.

 
Chrissy 2020-05-05 21:49:53 

In reply to embsallie & JayMor

Correct is right.

 
embsallie 2020-05-05 21:56:17 

In reply to sudden

The phone rang. She asked me who/whom was it? The correct answer is whom. Why? Because you can reword the question; To whom were you talking and the answer is him/her.

Can you tell me who / whom I should talk to? The correct answer is whom. Why? You can reword the question to whom should I talk and the answer is to Him/ Her

I can’t remember who /whom told me. The correct answer is Who since it answers the question he/ or she told me.

Simple Rule.

 
sudden 2020-05-05 22:03:32 

In reply to embsallie

leave that for a moment, what about this-

who /whom on earth were you talking to?

who / whom does she think she is?

who / whom left this trash here?

i shared an apartment with Chrissy, who/ whom i married and we moved to Guyana

 
Dukes 2020-05-05 22:18:30 

In reply to sudden

i shared an apartment with Chrissy, who/ whom i married and we moved to Guyana


If ah laff ah POP!!!!!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2020-05-05 22:45:28 

In reply to sudden

whom on earth were you talking to?

whom does she think she is?

who left this trash here?

i shared an apartment with Chrissy, whom i married and we moved to Guyana

big grin

 
sudden 2020-05-05 22:49:33 

In reply to Courtesy

have a read here


there are always exceptions to every rule

 
Courtesy 2020-05-05 23:07:44 

In reply to sudden

I have taken too much of a beating from my primary school teacher for using wrongly the two words. I still use her simple rules.

big grin

 
sudden 2020-05-05 23:11:00 

In reply to Courtesy

Not that simple are they? big grin

 
Courtesy 2020-05-05 23:26:09 

In reply to sudden

...very simple but my head was hard.

 
sudden 2020-05-06 15:51:28 

In reply to embsallie

did u get your answer

 
michaelmax 2020-05-06 23:56:32 

If I may. Who is a relative pronoun which is also used as a subject with persons. I am not sure who will win the match.
Who bought car?

Whom is relative pronoun and is an object. It is often used with prepositions. To whom am I speaking.

We shall see who buries whom

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2020-05-07 00:17:02 

In reply to Courtesy

Are you the friend from NY that she would not let in the apartment and would not date?


lol

 
JayMor 2020-05-07 00:42:54 

In reply to michaelmax

Who is a relative pronoun...

It can be that, yes, but that's not its first purpose. Its prime purpose is as a nominative pronoun. When "who" is used as a relative pronoun it replaces "that" (or sometimes "which"), e.g.,
There's a know-it-all who says we can ingest disinfectants to ward off Covid-19.

Furthermore, who is fast replacing whom in the objective case; most folks nowadays just say "who" for everything.

--Æ.

 
sudden 2020-05-07 00:47:20 

In reply to JayMor

Read the link at the top of this page. You are on the right track

 
JayMor 2020-05-07 01:22:35 

In reply to sudden

Seen; I read it. Of course, they are not going to be wrong. I think most people just kind of forgot what the rule is. Personally, I follow the crowd and use "who" even in the objective case 90+% of the time, although I know better (much like the rule of not ending a sentence with a preposition). Maybe it's only when I want to sound pompous or superior to s.o. else do I employ "whom". big grin

--Æ.

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2020-05-07 01:45:00 

In reply to michaelmax

Who are you?
Ooo are you?