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If I were to place a bet on whom will
In reply to Toney
Who.
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In reply to Toney
Black - any day any night
In reply to Ewart
Yuh know
In reply to sudden
What is this about?
In reply to Ewart
Trump! Too cunning and politically astute for the inept Joe Biden.
In reply to Toney
Too criminal-minded and bloody corrupt, you mean.
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In reply to JayMor
The trump china pandemic argument is from the same playbook of Obama was not born in Hawaii I have people looking into it and you wouldnt believe what they have found, but I cant tell you what they have found fast forward to corona trump says he has intelligence info that the virus was created in a Wuhan lab what is the intelligence Mr. President? I cant tell you, I am not allowed to tell you, I am not allowed to say and his followers eat that stuff up
caravan of five million Latin Americans are on their way to the southern border ---- election over ---- the caravan disappears --- how stupid can his supporters be, is every one of them so lacking in the necessities of life, or are they so stuck in their inherited ancestral ways? ---- I guess not all brain-processes are accompanied by consciousness , some are just regulatory reflex
that lies and ignorance could be seen as being
cunning and politically astute is an indictment on American voters and not Trump
In reply to sudden
cunning and politically astute is an indictment on American voters and not Trump
In reply to Toney
Who.
Not whom.
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In reply to Ewart
Disagree! If I precede the pronoun with the preposition on the case of the pronoun must be objective.
Therefore the objective pronoun whom and not the subjective pronoun who
In reply to Toney
All your words immediately above are kind of true, but you're not there yet, boss. So far, we have "If I were to place a bet on whom will [...]" but you must finish the sentence first before it can be determined whether you're wrong or right. Here's a case wherein you'd be wrong:
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In reply to Toney
Therefore the objective pronoun whom and not the subjective pronoun who
Beg to differ. Ewart is correct. No amount and use of prepositions is going to help you on this one.
Your answer to a question of Whom or Who must always revert back to Him/Her or He/She. This is as simplistic as it gets without going into semantics.
Whom goes with Him or Her and
Who goes with He or She.
So I will ask the question
Who/Whom will win the elections? Answer: He (Trump) will win the elections. Therefore you cannot use Whom since, Him (Trump) will win does not make grammatical sense
On Whom will you bet to win the elections? Answer: I will bet on Him (Trump). I will bet on He (Trump) does not make grammatical sense
Preposition or not the answer must make grammatical sense.
Who/ Whom do you love? Is the answer I love she or I love her? Therefore the question with whom do you love should have the answer I love her.
Remember:
Whom = Him/ Her
Who = He/ She
In reply to Toney
Interesting!
Would be grateful you show me the grammar book that certifies that rule.
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In reply to embsallie
Exactly.
I suspect he is mixing up two rules, that is if his offered preposition rule exists!
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In reply to embsallie
There are exceptions to that rule
In reply to sudden
If there are, they are very rarely used. I know most rules will have an exception here and there, for example the letter "i" usually comes before "e" except if "i" is preceded by the letter "c".
So Believe, Sieve, Reprieve; However Receive, deceit are two examples that do not follow that rule.
So give give me an example where the above rule in question would be nullified.
I am not being facetious.
DO you agree with Toney's use of WHOM in his topic line?
In reply to embsallie
Whom goes with Him or Her and
Who goes with He or She.
So I will ask the question
Who/Whom will win the elections? Answer: He (Trump) will win the elections. Therefore you cannot use Whom since, Him (Trump) will win does not make grammatical sense
On Whom will you bet to win the elections? Answer: I will bet on Him (Trump). I will bet on He (Trump) does not make grammatical sense
Preposition or not the answer must make grammatical sense.
Who/ Whom do you love? Is the answer I love she or I love her? Therefore the question with whom do you love should have the answer I love her.
Remember:
Whom = Him/ Her
Who = He/ She
Given that rule which is correct ?
The phone rang. She asked me who/whom was it?
Can you tell me who / whom I should talk to?
I cant remember who /whom told me.
In reply to Ewart
The nominative case demands who; the objective case calls for whom (although we usually still say "who"). The former has to be the subject of the sentence or clause; the latter is the objective clause, which is usually preceded by a preposition (like Toney's "on").
In my post above I was trying to bait Toney to finish his sentence to see if he'd pull it off. I'll give two sentences below; the first is the same wrong one from above. The second one, still using "on whom" will be grammatically correct.
2. If I were to place a bet on whom I believe will win in November... [R]
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In reply to embsallie & JayMor
Correct is right.
In reply to sudden
Can you tell me who / whom I should talk to? The correct answer is whom. Why? You can reword the question to whom should I talk and the answer is to Him/ Her
I cant remember who /whom told me. The correct answer is Who since it answers the question he/ or she told me.
Simple Rule.
In reply to embsallie
leave that for a moment, what about this-
who /whom on earth were you talking to?
who / whom does she think she is?
who / whom left this trash here?
i shared an apartment with Chrissy, who/ whom i married and we moved to Guyana
In reply to sudden
If ah laff ah POP!!!!!
In reply to sudden
whom on earth were you talking to?
whom does she think she is?
who left this trash here?
i shared an apartment with Chrissy, whom i married and we moved to Guyana
In reply to Courtesy
have a read here
there are always exceptions to every rule
In reply to sudden
I have taken too much of a beating from my primary school teacher for using wrongly the two words. I still use her simple rules.
In reply to Courtesy
Not that simple are they?
In reply to sudden
...very simple but my head was hard.
In reply to embsallie
did u get your answer
If I may. Who is a relative pronoun which is also used as a subject with persons. I am not sure who will win the match.
Who bought car?
Whom is relative pronoun and is an object. It is often used with prepositions. To whom am I speaking.
We shall see who buries whom
In reply to Courtesy
Are you the friend from NY that she would not let in the apartment and would not date?
In reply to michaelmax
It can be that, yes, but that's not its first purpose. Its prime purpose is as a nominative pronoun. When "who" is used as a relative pronoun it replaces "that" (or sometimes "which"), e.g.,
Furthermore, who is fast replacing whom in the objective case; most folks nowadays just say "who" for everything.
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In reply to JayMor
Read the link at the top of this page. You are on the right track
In reply to sudden
Seen; I read it. Of course, they are not going to be wrong. I think most people just kind of forgot what the rule is. Personally, I follow the crowd and use "who" even in the objective case 90+% of the time, although I know better (much like the rule of not ending a sentence with a preposition). Maybe it's only when I want to sound pompous or superior to s.o. else do I employ "whom".
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In reply to michaelmax
Who are you?
Ooo are you?
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