Gwan wid yuh bad self Charles Mills!
Proud of you bro.
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2020-05-15 00:43:31
2020-05-15 02:20:24
In reply to Chrissy
Wow!
Will continue listening tomorrow for sure.
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2020-05-15 10:59:04
In reply to Ewart
The Racial Contract was on more than a few of my reading lists. He's a good guy. Good JC youth dat.
2020-05-15 12:37:40
In reply to Chrissy
Is he a grandson of educator JJ Mills? Was his father Don Mills? Or was it the other brother whose name escapes me now?
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2020-05-15 13:30:27
In reply to Chrissy
Chrisy do you have a link to a written text of this?
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2020-05-15 14:21:58
In reply to Ewart
He's Don's nephew and JJ's grandnephew. His dad was Charles aka Charlie, Head of Department of Government for eons. He was also at the Electoral Commission.
I don't have the written text. but knowing Charles, it will be his next book.
It is excellent.
2020-05-15 23:16:22
In reply to Chrissy
Did you know Charlie Snr was a bad cricketer? Played against him a number of times and fell to his medium-pace outswingers.
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2020-05-15 23:32:13
In reply to Ewart
Charlie was my Department head - we discussed a lot of cricket. He gave me some files for my early research. I know then all well including Winnie - his wife and Raymond, the other son..
2020-05-16 18:18:33
In reply to Chrissy
Gwan wid yuh bad self
My ex-wife used to say that.
Good showing by your companion there, Miss C. Even though I don't possess the background needed to get everything he talked about, it's evident that the professor is on top of his field. I watched all 2 hours of it and I'm proud of my fellow Yardie/Caribbean being listened to at this level. May he make a difference.
If you lay your hands on his handouts I'd be interested in a copy. Thanks for callout.
--Æ.
2020-05-16 19:35:10
In reply to JayMor
In a nutshell he said something is seriously wrong with liberalism when it excludes non-whites and women and particularly when the experts in liberal philosophy continue to ignore these truths and do something to push for real liberalism since they argue that all men and women are created equal. Liberalism as articulated and practiced by western philosophers and their supporters contradicts what they claim to believe.
So how do we fix this?
It's a brilliant lecture.
See if you can find The Racial Contract on line. I love that book.
2020-05-16 22:07:33
In reply to Chrissy
Well, it's not that bad, Chrissy; I get that. 
What I meant was, for instance, I hold no familiarity with the works of John Rawle and the the 'movement' of the subject as such. I sat a single course each in sociology and pol sci, and whatever formal philosophy I have was gleaned through those courses. And since then, Engineering/Technology has been my primary focus.
OK, I'll try to track down The Racial Contract. Something else I'll research is what he said about the Japanese trying to inject a non-racial clause into the resolutions at that conference a century ago, only for it to be rejected by the Anglophone big six: UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ and RSA. To me, that was telling! I must find out more.
--Æ.
2020-05-16 22:27:34
In reply to JayMor
LOL - Theories of the State was one of my Year 2 courses.
Here's an easy take on Rawls most famous work -A Theory of Justice
The thing is Rawls means well but his veil of ignorance ignores centuries of racism and patriarchy. Nothing in his Theory of Justice addresses these inequalities.
And yes the great white countries are all racist as that Japanese clause shows.
2020-05-16 22:34:28
In reply to JayMor
Good read on the Japanese and the Treaty of Versailles
Japan asked for, and nearly got approved, a clause in the treaty that would have affirmed the equality of all nations, regardless of race.
For all of the history forged, some historians believe the great powers missed a pivotal opportunity to fashion a much different 20th century.
"National aspirations must be respected; peoples may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. 'Self-determination' is not a mere phrase. It is an imperative principle of actions which statesmen will henceforth ignore at their peril."
Looking back, contradictions abound in Wilson's decree.
Japan's Racial Equality Proposal would have strengthened Wilson's call for self-governance and equal opportunity. Yet, when the victors signed the treaty, that language was nowhere to be found.
"At the bottom of all of this is the idea that certain people of color cannot be trusted and people of color do not deserve a place, not only on the world stage but also in our own communities," says professor Chris Suh who studies Asian American history.
The rejection of the proposal would play a role in shaping the U.S.-Japan relationship, World War II and Japanese American immigration. It sheds light on the treatment of nonwhite immigrant groups by the U.S. and its legacy of white supremacy.
"Basically ... there continues to be this sense of racial superiority among the Americans" toward Japan, Suh argues.
For all of the history forged, some historians believe the great powers missed a pivotal opportunity to fashion a much different 20th century.
"National aspirations must be respected; peoples may now be dominated and governed only by their own consent. 'Self-determination' is not a mere phrase. It is an imperative principle of actions which statesmen will henceforth ignore at their peril."
Looking back, contradictions abound in Wilson's decree.
Japan's Racial Equality Proposal would have strengthened Wilson's call for self-governance and equal opportunity. Yet, when the victors signed the treaty, that language was nowhere to be found.
"At the bottom of all of this is the idea that certain people of color cannot be trusted and people of color do not deserve a place, not only on the world stage but also in our own communities," says professor Chris Suh who studies Asian American history.
The rejection of the proposal would play a role in shaping the U.S.-Japan relationship, World War II and Japanese American immigration. It sheds light on the treatment of nonwhite immigrant groups by the U.S. and its legacy of white supremacy.
"Basically ... there continues to be this sense of racial superiority among the Americans" toward Japan, Suh argues.
2020-05-18 04:40:38
In reply to Chrissy
Good link, Chrissy; thanks. Another gap of knowledge filled. Oh, man, these people have sins, yuh hear! How I wish I could believe in Christianity and hope for the supposed day of judgement. But, dem get 'way scot-free.
Re Dr Mills presentation, I apprised my friend of it and he (a pol sci major and philosophy minor) is very impressed.
Good for a chuckle:- He finds it interesting that Dr Mills is surnamed almost the same as John Stuart Mill, whom he says seems to be Dr Mills' inspiration.
Thanks again.
--Æ.
2020-05-18 05:41:16
In reply to JayMor
How I wish I could believe in Christianity...
Despite Dr. Faustus' failure, it is never too late!
But the belief is not to be placed in Christianity but in Christ.
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2020-05-18 15:04:38
In reply to Ewart
HeHeHe! Dr Faustus' failure, eh? LOL. Yeah, I had to go see what it was about. By the time of my h.s. dem traditional Euro-based tings were de-emphasised. Add to that that StETHS was in large part founded and funded by Kaiser, primarily for Kaiser and Kaiser-like purposes... you see where I'm going with this, right? No Latin, for instance (but Spanish sufficed well for me), and nearest to Dr Faustus type stuff was English lit., which yours truly duly skulled, prompting a threat from the principal and making me a hero to my peers for what I said to him.
Nah, a sea of philosophical difference between Dr Faustus and I&I. No heaven or hell choice for me, sah.
BTW, I ran into some webpages a couple weeks ago and saved them somewhere to apprise you of and to ask you about one in particular. I'll go find them; please check in later for a post with your name in the title. Thanks.
--Æ.
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