HEADLINE: Jason Holder is not an allrounder, Ben Stokes is

link CaribbeanCricket.com Joined: Mar 5, 2003
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7/23/20, 8:18:02 AM 

Last week I suggested England’s ben Stokes was close to overtaking Jason Holder as the number one allrounder in the world, despite Holder’s heroics in the first #raisethebat Series Test at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton.

This week Stokes confirmed my suspicions.

Stokes scored a couple of 40-odds and took 4-49 and 2-39, the most wickets for England, in that first Test, but still, Holder’s six-for put him ahead, even though the latter had a very ordinary outing with the bat.

I have consistently thought Stokes, over the course of his career, displays the better all-round ability, though Holder clearly wins in the bowling department.

I have always felt that an allrounder on the biggest stage in cricket is not just someone who is ok in all areas. These are professional cricketers and by and large, they’ll be ok at anything they do.

But an allrounder, I believe, to be classified as such, should be excellent in all areas.

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link dayne Joined: May 28, 2007
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7/23/20, 10:23:01 AM 
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Well the writer of this article has his bar set too high, IMO Holder is the all-rounder for the WI team, that's what the writer's critique should be base on, Stokes is the English version of Holder, who at the moment is having a great series.

link Trinidave Joined: Dec 1, 2002
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7/23/20, 11:07:31 AM 
TriniD addressed dis earlier dis week. TriniD called Holder ah SmALLrounder, primarily because he comes up small wid de bat too often. But embedded in TriniD's definition is de word "Allrounder" which Holder definitely is.

Anyone who can score a double in Test cricket against a formidable attack is a batsman. Holder just needs to live up tuh dat end of de bargain some more.

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: May 31, 2005
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7/23/20, 11:33:14 AM 
In reply to Trinidave

These Johnny come latelies.

Stokes only recently moved up the batting order and his batting average is still high thirties. 6 points above Holder

On the other hand Holder has a 6 point advantage in bowling.

Therefore if Holder is left out because of his batting the Stokes is left out as a bowler.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/23/20, 11:47:07 AM 
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I resent the fact that the writer feels the need to denigrate Holder in order to praise Stokes.It seems to me that this phenomenon is quite common these days and we saw it after the first test.People seem to think that it is a zero sum game.In order to praise somebody you have to denigrate their rivals.
Having said that,Stokes in his last 14 test matches has scored 1,374 runs at an average of 62 with 4 centuries and 6 half centuries.

link natty_forever Joined: Apr 27, 2003
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7/23/20, 12:01:44 PM 
In reply to Dukes

With 17 drop chances. lol

link Trinidave Joined: Dec 1, 2002
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7/23/20, 7:33:52 PM 
In reply to natty_forever

With 17 drop chances


TriniD posted about dat too. big grin big grin big grin

link Scar Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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7/23/20, 11:23:17 PM 
I guess Botham was not an All Rounder as well with his batting stats

link Scar Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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7/23/20, 11:25:45 PM 
In reply to Dukes

By the author's own explanation of who is an All Rounder(excell at all forms)Sobers is the only All Rounder ever

link Onionman0 Joined: Mar 6, 2020
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7/24/20, 12:44:47 AM 
Both are excellent all rounders....Holder as Captain of the team ...played several match turning innings...century against England saving the match one instance... writer compares with his prejudged mind....under different coaches Holder's performance has varied...same for Strokes...may be frequent changing of coaches has impacted his role as batter in the team... Holder has looked clueless with bat in this series..he has chance to redeem in the 3rd test..

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