My plan for WI cricket 2020-2021

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link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/31/20, 4:39:56 PM 
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I think the first thing CWI should do is a comprehensive review of the recently concluded English tour.The team management should be grilled in detail and individual assessments of all the members of the touring party should be thoroughly discussed and dissected.Based on these assessments then decisions about central contracts be made.Obviously the 3 people who declined to tour Bravo,Paul and Hetmyer should be spoken to to determine their commitment to WI cricket.Prolonged discussions should also be had with Nicholas Pooran to ascertain whether his interest in test cricket is as strong as some of us think it is
My next move would be to invite 25 players to a 3 week camp in Barbados from Late November to mid December I would make 4 changes to the 25 who went to England, bringing in Pooran,Hetmyer,Paul and Bravo and leaving out McSween,Mindley,Harding and Warrican.
Emphasis on both Physical and Mental fitness.Concentration,technique etc.Lara,Sarwan and Shiv should be involved in the camp.
The WI selectors should talk to Hetmyer and the Guyana selectors about Hetmyer opening the batting for Guyana.
All players on Central contract must make themselves available for the 4 day competition which would take place from early January to late March and consist of 10 matches.Of course all of the above is dependent on what is going on with Covid-19 later this year and next year.

link sunfish Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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7/31/20, 4:50:57 PM 
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Comprehensive proposal I am searching my brain for something to add to this perhaps restructuring the coaching staff because I have no confidence in Reifer as a batting coach. This man said on Mason that there was no problems with batsmen and he should be made to answer for it.

link StumpCam Joined: Dec 31, 2003
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7/31/20, 4:56:44 PM 
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You really think Hetmyer has the temperament to be an opening batsman??

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/31/20, 5:01:08 PM 
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You really thought Gayle had the temperament to be an opening batsman early on?

link imusic Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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7/31/20, 5:20:59 PM 
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If I understand correctly, Reifer was a stand in batting coach.

Monty Desai was stuck in India due to the pandemic and couldn’t tour so Reifer filled in.

Desai had decent results with the LO team batting. Of course, tests are a different prospect altogether.

link googley Joined: Feb 8, 2004
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7/31/20, 5:22:04 PM 
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The WI selectors should talk to Hetmyer and the Guyana selectors about Hetmyer opening the batting for Guyana.


Think he can be as good as fellow Berbician Freddo?

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/31/20, 5:23:22 PM 
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Better

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 21, 2003
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7/31/20, 5:31:11 PM 
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Freddo was fearless yuh...aint see none of that mental fortitude.

link StumpCam Joined: Dec 31, 2003
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7/31/20, 5:37:06 PM 
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Didn’t Gayle open batting for Jamaica when he scored about 1000 runs in the FC season?

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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7/31/20, 6:06:41 PM 
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He certainly did.It was his 3rd season in first class cricket and after limited success in various positions he and Garrick had a great season opening in early 2001 where Gayle scored 1200 runs and Garrick 800 runs and in 1 innings both scored double centuries.

link Cricket_101 Joined: Feb 14, 2011
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7/31/20, 8:00:53 PM 
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mphasis on both Physical and Mental fitness.Concentration,technique etc.Lara,Sarwan and Shiv should be involved in the camp


I'd like to have those batting aficionado facilitate in a mentoring capacity...

link jcveletta Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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7/31/20, 11:45:29 PM 
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Pooran should open the batting.

link Bestian Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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8/1/20, 1:17:34 AM 
Why would you leave out Harding?

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8/1/20, 1:36:19 AM 
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Theory is one thing living it, is so much different.
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I have been working on that routine for about two weeks.
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link CITYBOY Joined: Jul 10, 2017
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8/1/20, 7:05:03 AM 
Hola...The incentive to improve and perform at the highest level is totally dependent on attitude,cricket ability ,talent and hunger....for success.

The support team,the camps and all that is just bull crap...identifying a select group of 25 and trying to make them into cricketers just dont cut it..
We a ready had /have identification process...under 16.under 19.A.B C teams..you name it we have it..
but what has been the result..who transitioned into anything spectacular..
All these camps are held in Barbados...maybe its the damn flying fish..real or the other fish...that aids the boys regression.
Did we not have some sort of university 11.
The one and only solution...pick players ..then drop them if they dont perform...pay them on performance...no retainers..retainers at the regional and country level..West Indies model is totally different from other countries.
Ensure countries get back to 3 day matches at their highest local competition.
When a cricketer is selected for WI he must be the finished product...not bringing some half talented one and hoping a camp would make him a world beater..
Everyone calling for the good old days glory...we can get there...let your policy be like the good old days..
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link StumpCam Joined: Dec 31, 2003
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8/1/20, 9:08:03 AM 
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What I think West Indies need are top quality coaches at the regional level to adequately prepare players for the next level and to provide remedial work to correct flaws.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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8/1/20, 4:30:47 PM 
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Last place went to Phillip over Harding.I just think Phillip will be a better bowler.Does not make much of a difference.They will both play in the 4 day competition and the better man will be known soon enough.

link Norm Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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8/1/20, 6:41:15 PM 
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I think the first thing CWI should do is a comprehensive review of the recently concluded English tour.

They would need bank statements for that. Dream all you want, but that is what CWI is really interested in. The players are left to fight among themselves for fame and pittance.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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8/1/20, 6:58:33 PM 
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Cynicism,bitterness and defeatism are a deadly triumvirate.

link Elsie Joined: Nov 30, 2002
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8/1/20, 7:41:24 PM 
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Dukes; all of what you wrote is based on the assumption that these current W.I. players are interested in Test Cricket.
Most of them would rather play ODI and T20i. And not just for the money; but also because of the limit of their attention span.
Ask any of them if he wants to play Test Cricket, and they’ll say ‘yes’. Because they believe that’s what the big wigs at CWI want to hear.

Truthfully, they don’t care about test cricket and what it requires.

Test Cricket as far as the West Indies is concerned is dying a fast death. Forget about tour reviews and assessments.
Just prepare for the next limited over tournament.

If you want to enjoy test cricket, watch the other nations. We’re finished around here.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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8/1/20, 7:54:25 PM 
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What keeps me going is my ability to ward off cynicism as I get older.I have spoken to just one or two players and they have all said to me that while ODI and T 20 gets them a lot of money, it is test cricket which gives them respect and prestige.
When the West Indies performs poorly in test cricket we tend to feel it is because the players do not care but that is not true.The problem is that they have not been adequately prepared.
BTW IT is not in my DNA to give up.

link Norm Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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8/1/20, 8:01:03 PM 
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Cynicism,bitterness and defeatism are a deadly triumvirate.

Yep, yep. It is called realism, and prevents unrealistic expectations.

The underlying hidden indifference to the game itself by CWI is reflected in the players themselves. Test cricket is merely a path to recognition and then to lucrative contracts in T20 leagues. In the current Test team, only (most of) the Bajans have a serious interest in Test cricket itself (fortunately for WI).

We disagreed on the motives of Keemo and Hety for not playing the Test series in England. You also described my view of that matter as "cynical". Here comes the CPL and IPL. Let us see if these players will "pass", because of covid-19.

link Norm Joined: Nov 27, 2002
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8/1/20, 8:15:40 PM 
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I would make 4 changes to the 25 who went to England, bringing in Pooran,Hetmyer,Paul and Bravo and leaving out McSween,Mindley,Harding and Warrican.

Ultimately, you show up at the ground on match day and those new players are nowhere near your team - because you chose to keep Hope, Campbell, Brathwaithe, etc.

Your plan presumes good talent-spotting as your selection tool and ignores the domestic competition. You also show no interest in long-term development of that competition, by not requiring all players to participate, to earn selection and raise the competition's standard.

You somehow assume that victory is possible if the best currently available talent is played. You set no qualification criteria, and show no interest in any. We just automatically "know" who the best available talent is.

What can I say? Nice plan for all out frustration, and "cynicism"!

link Elsie Joined: Nov 30, 2002
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8/1/20, 8:31:49 PM 
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It’s not about you not giving up though…

It’s about the guys on the field, most of whom don’t have the heart for Test Cricket. I’m convinced that fighting for a period of Five days is too much for them; most of the time.

If they get ahead of the opposition early in the match, they will take advantage of that position. And even prevail sometimes.
Like in the First Test last month.. Blackwood won us that game.

But what’s the likelihood of another one of our middle order batsmen putting up his hand and winning another game for us from that same situation on a regular basis. Who..? Hetty, Dowrich, Chase…? Darren Bravo, maybe, and Hope raised his hands once, a long time ago..

We could easily been whitewashed if it was not for Blackwood’s heroics.
How’s that for a tour assessment…!

And why talk about ‘prestige’ and ‘respect’ of being a test cricketer… Most teams beat us so easily; that the elite teams don’t even want to engage us.

This is not cynicism. I’m just keeping it real.

link Dukes Joined: Dec 5, 2002
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8/1/20, 8:54:18 PM 
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Your plan presumes good talent-spotting as your selection tool and ignores the domestic competition. You also show no interest in long-term development of that competition, by not requiring all players to participate, to earn selection and raise the competition's standard.


I have REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY STATED THAT ALL OUR PLAYERS must play in the 4 day competition.I have SEVERELY CRITICIZED the CWI for scheduling Ireland and Sri Lanka this year which clashed with our 4 day competition.I have even suggested having 1 overseas player per team in our 4 day competition and made suggestions as to what type of player we are talking about
I have repeatedly talked about POORAN and HOPE not playing first class cricket.
It is as if you IGNORE WHAT I POST and then accuse me of saying the opposite to what I have been advocating.

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