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HEADLINE: Pollard not good enough to play Test cricket: David Gower

 
CaribbeanCricket.com 2020-09-16 14:20:39 

Days after West Indies all-rounder Kieron Pollard’s blistering innings helped Trinbago Knight Riders snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat in a CPL 2020 encounter against Barbados Tridents, legendary England cricketer David Gower termed him one of the best T20 players but said he is not good enough to play Test cricket.

“Kieron Pollard is one of the world’s best T20 players but he knows as well as I do that he cannot play test cricket, he isn’t good enough to play test cricket.” Gower said in conversation on SportsTiger’s show “Off-the-Field”.

Pollard who is a stalwart for the West Indies in limited-overs cricket and one of most desired cricketers for franchises in T20 leagues across the globe, has never played Test cricket.

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solidrock 2020-09-16 14:37:36 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
For a long time I felt Pollard could not bat very much, but on times he has shocked me on occasions (especially t -20). It would not surprise that he that he would he would play a few good test innings.

 
sgtdjones 2020-09-16 14:54:41 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I realized that cc.com is not up to date with reports but this was posted a 8 days ago

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anthonyp 2020-09-16 15:13:48 

Pollard who is a stalwart for the West Indies in limited-overs cricket


Is this ah joke? Pollard a stalwart for WI in limited overs cricket? lol

Same Pollard who averaging around 26-27 with the bat in ODIs? After 100+ matches? lol

Pollard is good in t20s.. that's it.

Next we might see an article saying Sammy is the greatest captain to ever play for WI lol

 
Halliwell 2020-09-16 15:51:26 

In reply to anthonyp

T20 is unlimited overs den? lol

 
anthonyp 2020-09-16 15:59:45 

In reply to Halliwell

The article seh 'West Indies"...

Here are his stats for WI..

ODIS - Batting Avg. 26 in 113 matches
T20Is - Batting Avg. 23.4 in 73 matches

With stats like that who in their righted gonna consider him a stalwart for West Indies in limited overs cricket? lol

 
VIX 2020-09-16 16:01:52 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Why would Pollard want to diminish himself by playing test cricket??

 
Jabari18 2020-09-16 16:48:30 

In reply to VIX

Maaaannnnnnnn was now coming and ask if Test cricket good enough for Pollard

 
Barry 2020-09-16 17:27:40 

In reply to Jabari18


lol

 
Jumpstart 2020-09-16 17:35:33 

In reply to anthonyp

i never heard you when the CWI gave debuts to chandrika, carlos brathwaite, etc.......pollard could never do worse than them. Secondly, David Gower is the same dude who once equated the rebel tours to racist south africa to the packer guys. his opinions are ridiculous

 
anthonyp 2020-09-16 18:12:45 

In reply to Jumpstart

First thing.. according to yuh handle yuh joined this forum in 2017.. Chandrika mek his debut since 2015.. how de rass yuh gonna know if I condemn his selection or not?

Wuh really yall does get from creating all these handles?

Anyways enough of that.. everybody on this mb condemn that Chandrika selection.. heck even Chandrika himself probably did.

Now back to the Pollard issue.. any of the crap yuh posted above change the fact that Pollard is only decent in club t20s and a complete failure in any other cricket? lol

 
sgtdjones 2020-09-16 18:42:19 

In reply to anthonyp

Look Chase getting to play every test series and batting in the top 5 for the past 3 year or more.. in that 3 years he played 22 test matches.. batted 40 times and yet his average is 26.
...anthonyp

How do the above stack up to Polly , note where he bats when runs are needed.
Then, he hasn't been given a chance at Test Cricket, so comments are not valid.

 
anthonyp 2020-09-16 18:57:12 

In reply to sgtdjones

What does that have to do with Pollard failure in ODIs and t20Is for WI?

All of my posts on this thread is in relation to the journalist calling him ah "stalwart for West Indies in limited overs cricket".. based on his stats yuh think he is? lol

Man got Sammy like stats and they calling him a stalwart.. allyuh Trinis would try to defend any crap once is yuh countryman lol

 
Trinidave 2020-09-16 18:58:05 

Pollard has shown no real interest in playing Test cricket. Why is dis even an issue?

 
Barry 2020-09-16 19:37:02 

In reply to anthonyp

Now back to the Pollard issue.. any of the crap yuh posted above change the fact that Pollard is only decent in club t20s and a complete failure in any other cricket?

Ah retarded islander say fact and we must believe it? Was a Staurt Williams a success? Elquemedo Willett? Keith sagagirl Athurton . . All failures . . . At least Pollard did not fail in t20 as so many islanders have failed in test cricket

 
rhatid 2020-09-16 20:15:54 

In reply to VIX
What a silly question? If you are saying Pollard is bigger than test cricket, where would you put Lara, Sobers, Bradman, Headley, Richards etc. I get the feeling you are an ice hockey fan. Could you please familiarize yourself with the game of cricket before you flap off your mouth! Maybe you can watch a few games on Willow and have a family member explain the game to you, then maybe you can join in a conversation about cricket.

 
Barry 2020-09-16 20:54:49 

In reply to rhatid

Sobers, Bradman, Headley, Richards

dem play t20 cricket? islanders really slow

 
Baje 2020-09-16 21:40:55 

In reply to Jumpstart
Carlos averages 45 or so in test cricket

 
Barry 2020-09-17 09:32:28 

In reply to Baje

Carlos is great lol

 
VIX 2020-09-17 13:47:40 

In reply to rhatid

What a silly question? If you are saying Pollard is bigger than test cricket,

nah, test cricket is too insignificant to modern cricketers and spectators. big grin

 
velo 2020-09-17 15:06:34 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
the worst kept secret every one knows he's not atest batsmen he's a t 20 specialists he can't think for to long

 
sgtdjones 2020-09-17 15:20:49 

In reply to velo

If he cant think , how many did recently in the CPL?
See why we are at the bottom of ICC standings with the Test players that are thinkers for long periods in England recently..


rolleyes rolleyes

 
Jumpstart 2020-09-17 15:39:25 

In reply to sgtdjones

insularity patnas....some of these posters would rather lose with a representative from their islands so their puny interests can get a forward.

 
Trex 2020-09-17 21:13:46 

Like it or not Gower is correct. Pollard is no test batsman. Maybe he can still adapt if he wished.

Having said that I am happy Pollard has been able to make substantial money from T20 and has established himself as one of the most devastating batsmen to play this version of the game.

 
Barry 2020-09-17 22:02:27 

In reply to Trex

Like it or not Gower is correct. Pollard is no test batsman. Maybe he can still adapt if he wished
.
What shit. Polard had to come through the same systems as the Bravos and Lara - He did well then

 
Barry 2020-09-17 22:06:21 

Pollard at 24
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Of all your accolades, prizes and awards which do you rate as extremely special?

There have been a number but I must rate being named Sportsman of the Year 2006 for Queen's Park Cricket Club as very special.

What goals and/or ambitions do you still have?

I would want to make my Test debut, win a World Cup, score my first international 100 and own several successful businesses.

 
Barry 2020-09-17 22:09:18 

Kieron Pollard announced his decision to take an “indefinite break” from first class cricket yesterday after the T&T Red Force lost to the Windward Islands in their round 8 Regional Professional Cricket League game at the Cricket Centre in Couva.
His decision comes after he took five for 36 on the last day of the match which Windward won by 175 runs.
He joins a growing list of local plays who opted for retirement in the longer format

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Jumpstart 2020-09-18 02:19:46 

In reply to Trex

So Trex, are hope and brathwaite any sort of test batsmen? Look at their averages. Hope and Brathwaite are going to finish at best with averages under 40. Simple facts. You know how difficult it is to raise your average by two percentage points? Brian lara needed 600+ runs to get his average over 50 again in the SL series of 2001. Well he did it. Hope and Brathwsite are not going to finish with good averages at all. Their only hope is to become super consistent in their last years so people will forget the part of their careers post headingly. And David Gower has nothing to say about them. Two batsmen that have been shown to be woefully inadequate at the highest level- bajan quota picks( time for that is running out by the way)- and Gower has nothing to say about them.....rubbish

 
Halliwell 2020-09-18 06:51:47 

In reply to Jumpstart

Listen to the interviews that you get from:
Gower
Pringle
Lamb
Willis

Contrast that with:
Botham
Atherton

They all got licks but some took it harder than others. WI made lots of people not achieve their personal dreams in cricket...

 
Cole 2020-09-18 10:42:03 

In reply to VIX

What shit you talk. Test Cricket is the highest form cricket.

 
Barry 2020-09-18 11:11:17 

In reply to Cole

Reference for that, bitch? cool

 
Halliwell 2020-09-18 14:15:35 

In reply to Cole

What do you mean highest
Would like to understand your thinking

 
Jumpstart 2020-09-18 18:56:43 

In reply to Halliwell
I blame the media. They always gave the impression, the english media,that somehow England could beat the WI and that bad performances were down to poor sessions of play. When the truth is the side that could beat the West Indies in 1984 has not been born yet.

 
VIX 2020-09-19 02:57:30 

In reply to Cole

Test Cricket is the highest form cricket
lol
You're entitled to your opinion.
Paying spectators don't support that view though. When last have you been to a test match?

 
conman 2020-09-19 17:27:12 

In reply to VIX

Wait so we basing the value of something on the money it generates?

 
Barry 2020-09-19 17:41:27 

In reply to conman

No we are basing it upon the words of your masters. Slaves you are just as your coward ancestors. Grow some balls and resist. confused

 
conman 2020-09-19 18:19:15 

In reply to Barry

confused

 
Barry 2020-09-19 18:56:41 

In reply to conman
cowards always get enslaved.

confused

 
conman 2020-09-19 20:02:27 

In reply to Barry

confused confused

U gonna talk cricket anytime soon?

 
Cricket_101 2020-09-20 01:07:42 

Every cricket fan other that his supporters knows Pollard is a T20 slugger... and is not fitted for ODI and Test cricket...

 
Trex 2020-09-20 08:33:42 

In reply to Jumpstart


So Trex, are hope and brathwaite any sort of test batsmen? Look at their averages. Hope and Brathwaite are going to finish at best with averages under 40



I will not engage in a conversation about 3 mediocre test batsmen. If you want to talk about Pollard, we can talk t20.

 
anthonyp 2020-09-20 11:44:03 

In reply to Trex

Pollard is not even good in international t20s.. so yuh gonna just have to stick to club t20s lol

Don't go too hard on that judgement fella, yuh might force him to run from this thread again and probably create a next handle lol

 
Verstehen 2020-09-20 12:32:27 

In reply to Jumpstart

. Secondly, David Gower is the same dude who once equated the rebel tours to racist south africa to the packer guys. his opinions are ridiculous


Now I've heard it all.

First Gower was a stand up guy who did not tour South Africa- your confusing analogy is irrelevant.

Second, even if someone's opinion is ridiculous once, does it have to be for all time on all issues? What utter nonsense.

 
Jumpstart 2020-09-20 12:38:09 

In reply to Verstehen

Allyuh doh read so I will educate you
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The former England captain — speaking in the Sky studio following the airing of a documentary about England’s 1980-81 West Indies tour when fast bowler Robin Jackman had his entry visa to Guyana revoked because of his South African links — caused outrage on social media for initially refusing to acknowledge apartheid was worse than the 1970s Kerry Packer series, when asked by fellow commentator Michael Holding.



Asked by the former West Indies fast bowler which was worse out of apartheid or Packer, Gower simply responded ‘you tell me’, leaving Holding to point out the bloody brutality of an apartheid regime, widely acknowledged as one of the cruellest political systems of the 20th Century.



Take advice from a guy who said this






A feature had been shown in the lunch interval on England's 1981 tour of West Indies - famed for Robin Jackman's visa being revoked for his links with apartheid South Africa.


Apartheid, which literally translates to "separateness", was a system of racial segregation implemented in South Africa for 46 years between 1948 and 1994, during which time the white minority ruled and black inhabitants were seen as
After several seconds of awkward silence, Holding said: "I would have to say apartheid. I don't think Packer caused any problems for everyone in Australia. I don't think there were people being shot at or being bullied in Australia."

Twitter users slammed Gower for his remarks, as one wrote: "Oh my god. David Gower has just asked Michael Holding if Kerry Packer was worse than apartheid South Africa."

Another added: "The whole segment was incredible but Gower responding to 'Which one was worse, Apartheid or Packer?' with 'You tell me' is unbelievable."