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HEADLINE: 'WI missing out on top T20 talent' - Barbados Cricket Director Leslie
CaribbeanCricket.com
2020-09-18 12:48:58
Barbados Cricket Director Stephen Leslie has called on regional cricket custodians to do more to ensure top local T20 talent is not cast aside, in light of limited places in the Caribbean Premier League (CPL).
The recently concluded edition of the tournament, which was won by the Trinbago Knight Riders, did feature some of the region’s emerging talent. In fact, a list of 20 young players was, as is required, named ahead of the tournament and several players featured prominently throughout the competition.
“The CPL has a franchise model, which in my view, has not been able to expose the best T20 cricketer that ply their trade in the Caribbean,” Leslie told the Mason and Guest radio program.
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Jumpstart
2020-09-18 13:08:23
Barry
2020-09-18 13:55:04
soloview
2020-09-20 03:47:28
I do however think there is merit in his point ... I do not think that the CPL exposure is enough exposure to develop a train of world class performers beyond this present crop. we do not want to make the same mistake we made with the test team thinking it will be an enless turn out of world beaters without intentional planning.
maybe we can renegotiate with CPL to allow a competition somthing like when football was first allowed in the olympics...a under 25Years inter teritory competition with 2-3 over aged allowed.
Jumpstart
2020-09-20 04:56:44
In reply to soloview
So where did deyal, hoaein, de silva pop out from? A rock?
imusic
2020-09-20 06:15:54
In reply to Jumpstart
Not just them.....Sinclair, Nedd, Glen, too
openning
2020-09-20 15:39:59
In reply to imusic
The BCCI has a T20 series, where the IPL can drag players from, so is English County and Australia Shield clubs.
There is not a regional CWI competition, and only a few Islands have local T20 formats.
Jumpstart
2020-09-20 15:54:13
In reply to openning
True...but every territory has t20 tournaments. Dominica does not have a t20 tournament, but both St Lucia and St Vincent have shormat tournaments. Those are just excuses to deflect from the fact that outside of two or three territories, the format is largely uncompetitive. Look at the last three t20 tournaments we have played in. The teams have virtually been the same: Simmons, Fletcher and Charles as Gayle's partners....samuels holding down the one stroke maker position and Russell, Sammy, Bravo and Pollard as the lower order hitters. That those guys are still the CPL leading performers and that the young talent seems to be coming from the same 2 or 3 territories is not the CPL's fault. Its the fault of the others who are falling behind
openning
2020-09-20 16:10:18
In reply to Jumpstart
I am not speaking of the tournament competitiveness, I am referencing a number of players, are not seen by the CPL scouts locally, to be drafted.
The Trident players vs The Pride players, the Cpl Trident local talent, is not drafted from seeing players played locally or in a regional BCA select team.
St Lucia and St Vincent held a T10 competition, I dont know if there is enough video footage, for scouts to get new players drafted.
I am aware of the Trident having most of it failed players drafted yearly.
Logic
2020-09-20 16:32:08
In reply to Jumpstart
So where did deyal, hoaein, de silva pop out from? A rock?
So these are our future T20 world class performers?
imusic
2020-09-20 17:35:06
In reply to openning
There is not a regional CWI competition,
Everyone knows why that is the case
anthonyp
2020-09-20 17:41:41
With CWI selling out de rights for t20s in the Caribbean for peanuts, it was only time before our t20 stocks start dropping.
Would be nice to see a regional t20 with players up to a certain age limit.. maybe 25-26.. the older established stars won't be in it so chances are some new talents could be identified.
We all know it won't happen though.
imusic
2020-09-20 17:53:02
In reply to anthonyp
Would be nice to see a regional t20 with players up to a certain age limit.. maybe 25-26.. the older established stars won't be in it so chances are some new talents could be identified.
Yall cant have it both ways
On the one hand, peeps bawling how by their absence, the top players devalue the regional 4 day competition, robbing the youngsters of playing alongside experienced players and gaining valuable insight and experience in the process. And spectators dont come out to watch regional 4 day cricket as a result. They want to see the stars. So its all the stars fault.
But now you want to purposely exclude the top players so that youngsters can showcase themselves in T20 cricket
So the arguments that are advocated as nauseum on this board above dont apply in this scenario?
Who is going to come out to see these youngsters? You think the paying public will come out in their numbers the same way they do when the top players are playing?
You want this under 23-25 competition for T20 cricket. Where is the equivalent for 4 day cricket or 50 over cricket? I dont recall anyone advocating for a similar competition in those formats. Why is Regional T20 cricket the exception?
imusic
2020-09-20 18:07:00
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
He doh have a forkane peep to say bout top regional 4 day cricketers missing out tho. Ah wonder why?
anthonyp
2020-09-20 18:23:39
In reply to imusic
Top players will be in the CPL. A regional t20 tournament for younger players is to give them an opportunity to make a name for themselves and hopefully get promoted to the CPL and play alongside the t20 stars where the seniors could share their experience.
India do something similar.. they got a t20 tournament that the IPL scouts use to identify players for the bigger league.
sgtdjones
2020-09-20 18:42:56
In reply to anthonyp
A regional t20 tournament for younger players
CWI cannot have one. H&H sold the rights for over 50 years plus. We must get permission from CPL. We cannot be hosts for ICC T20 without such permission also.
imusic
2020-09-20 18:44:56
In reply to anthonyp
Why the need for a regional T20I competition from a board in serious financial difficulties when individual territories already conduct various T20 competitions?
CPL and other league Scouts know when and where these competitions take place. And the cricket fraternity is small. When talent is apparent, they ALL know about the player.
CWI stipulated that a certain amount of emerging players be part of each CPL roster.
Scouts need to do their jobs.
Maispwi
2020-09-20 19:48:46
So let me ask dis question. If de CPL was being run by CWI, wud dere be a need for another regional T20 competition?
Jumpstart
2020-09-20 19:55:41
In reply to anthonyp
Selling out the rights? Dude you on hard drugs or what. I repeat, the winner of the t20 tournamr prior to cpl( 4 of out 6 t20 tournaments) is the same team dominating the tournament now. You really thought that the results would have been different just because the system changed. Dude Barbados is producing nothing in terms of t20 talent. Leeward islands ditto with the exception of cornwall. Windward islands has fletcher and charles( who does not play for the zouks) but nothing else. Not CPL's fault only TTO, Jamaica and Guyana to a lesser extent seem to be producing as seen by the results. Sour grapes
openning
2020-09-20 21:09:17
In reply to Jumpstart
Apart from the CPL, have you seen players around the region that should be drafted?
It is obvious T&T and Jamaica had the most players playing in T20 leagues, but we are beginning to see some losing IPL contracts.
The CPL need new blood, especially if sponsors going to continue supporting the product
imusic
2020-09-20 21:23:51
In reply to openning
Some lose IPL contracts....like Simmons and Lewis
More gain IPL contracts like Hety, Kemo and Rutherford
If youre good enough.....youll get a call
Most of those on the radar are from T&T, Jamaica, and Guyana. King (despite his poor season), Lewis (similar), Hosein, Nedd, Shepherd, Fabian Allen, even Darren Bravo all on the IPL radar.
The other territories need to work harder.....or better yet......stop looking down dey nose at de format and invest resources in actually developing talent in the format.
openning
2020-09-20 23:27:02
In reply to imusic
The other territories need to work harder.....or better yet......stop looking down dey nose at de format and invest resources in actually developing talent in the format.
TKR has four players in the IPL, at one time they was about 10-12, the yard four and Guyana two, it is getting harder for youngsters from the region to get contracts, maybe playing in Pakistan or Afghanistan will be the only leagues available for our cricketers.
So dont get carried away by naming a few other players, that has not got their feet wet at the International levels, and attract the eyes of leagues.
Stephen Leslie is speaking of the CPL not offering contracts to some of the local performers.
Roshon Primus is one of the top performers in the BCA 20 overs competition, yet players like Carter and others are drafted ahead of him.
Who is scouting local players in Barbados, St Lucia, St Vincent, Grenada, Dominica, Saint Kitts, Nevis, Jamaica and Guyana.
Ignore KB and tell me how many player you know in the list below, the same maybe happening through out the region.
Link Text
Jumpstart
2020-09-20 23:38:15
In reply to openning
There were never 10-12 TTO players in the ipl. They were
Lil Bravo- played exactly 3-4 balls for KKR during his exile
DJ-Still there
Rampaul-exiled
Pollard-still tgere
Simmons
Badree-retired
Evin
Narine
Cooper
openning
2020-09-20 23:58:37
In reply to Jumpstart
Dude Barbados is producing nothing in terms of t20 talent.
The reason for Leslie comment is, performing BCA T 20 players are not contracted by the Trident.
I've posted a list of this year BCA 2020 stats, how many players on that list, you have heard of?
imusic
2020-09-21 05:36:54
In reply to openning
He want to have a separate competition so that Roshon Primus could play in CPL?
Steupes
He should cow bawl to Tridents Management
imusic
2020-09-21 05:49:00
In reply to openning
The reason for Leslie comment is, performing BCA T 20 players are not contracted by the Trident.
I've posted a list of this year BCA 2020 stats, how many players on that list, you have heard of?
CPL franchises are autonomous entities. They select who they want.
Wunna doh complain when wunna have 70% of the test squad.
Ent allyuh into eat a food mentality? Well eat allyuh test biscuit and hush allyuh mout
Jumpstart
2020-09-21 14:35:09
In reply to openning
so dais why he saying dey loss?
openning
2020-09-21 14:52:28
In reply to Jumpstart
He is the cricketing director of the BCA, and would like to see the best T20 players in Barbados drafted by the Trident.
openning
2020-09-21 14:55:34
In reply to imusic
Leslie is asking you, how can Justin Greaves, Brooks, Carter, Reifer get drafted ahead of Primus?
imusic
2020-09-21 14:59:33
In reply to openning
He cow bawling about Roshon Primus according to you. Primus was drafted by the Tridents in 2019 Link Text
And what he or allyuh doh seem to get is that these Teams are cricket franchises and they are under no obligation to select players from a specific territory. They select who they want within the team composition guidelines of the tournament.
It come like yuh Calgary Mayor insisting that the Flames pick players from Calgary for the hockey team.
Leslie fass and outta place
Jumpstart
2020-09-21 15:51:34
In reply to openning
big wet steupps............rubbish
soloview
2020-09-22 11:31:24
In reply to Jumpstart
I wish these guys and those mentioned by Imusic the best . but their performance, I think is incedental or more out of the terriory work, but not out of the WI planning.
But even if WI planning gets some credit, I do not think their exposure will be enough to make them experience consistent success.
What we may more likely get is flashes as we got from King, and Rutherford.
These guys are loaded with potential and I think those mentioned, they have a mind for the game, but nothing beats actual on field experiences, and I hold if all they get to play in competitive T20 is CPL, then they will not realise that potential fully to become interntional names.
osrlive
2020-09-22 12:46:16
What's stopping CWI from hosting an U23 regional tournament?
6 local teams by territory + invited USA/CANADA + invited (SL, PAK, AFG, BAN, IND, ENG, SA, AUS, NZ, IRE, PNG, HK) etc. or a Young Windies + full strength UWI.
Gets young talent developed. Remember U23 in Canada...
openning
2020-09-22 15:11:25
In reply to osrlive
You must be an unemployed lawyer, looking for work.