HEADLINE: 'Nationalism hurting Windies cricket - 'Kenny Benjamin

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link CaribbeanCricket.com Joined: Mar 5, 2003
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10/7/20, 10:52:56 AM 

Former West Indies pace bowler Kenny Benjamin believes the development of regional and by extension West Indies cricket is stifled by the tendency of franchises to prefer players from their home countries.

A franchise system was introduced to the regional cricket set-up approximately six years ago. It has led to teams taking part in the regional One Day and Four Day tournaments as clubs, as opposed to just countries.

For the most part, however, with a few exceptions, the franchises have remained mostly composed of players from the countries in which they are based.  Benjamin believes some of that is due to a bit of nationalism, which he has pointed out is harmful to the professional set-up and the development of the game overall.

“One of the things in the Caribbean is that I think, patriotism is killing us.  Sir Viv would know that when we go to England to play and when he played for Somerset and Glamorgan that’s where you play for and that’s where you represent because that’s where you are at that time.  But I think in the Caribbean everybody wants to play for their country rather than play cricket and that is one of the problems we are facing,” Benjamin said in a recent interview with the Good Morning Jojo Sports Show.

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link velo Joined: Jul 28, 2019
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10/7/20, 11:11:00 AM 
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it's been going on for years kenny you late to the party the franchise system is a joke they are players who i think could get a shot playing for another country when they are not picked for their home territory instead of sitting on the bench.

link Halliwell Joined: May 13, 2005
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10/7/20, 12:54:31 PM 
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The extreme irony of this, coming from the lips of Kenneth Benjamin
I think the scientific term is “oi mi belly”

link Yadi Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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10/7/20, 1:23:09 PM 
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Exactly what I was thinking.

link Jumpstart Joined: Nov 29, 2017
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10/7/20, 1:42:37 PM 
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Wow.....antiguans are the most nationalistic after bajans(who are light years in front).....with the exception of curtly ambrose.......and the referencing Viv....who was/is the most nationalistic of the lot.....if you don't believe me, ask viv about the consistent presence of Keith Atherton on his test teams despite atherton scoring the first of his 2 centuries at test level in 1992/3....after viv had retired............have some bloody shame benjamin

link Fivestar Joined: Aug 30, 2003
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10/7/20, 3:12:03 PM 
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Kenny Benjamin makes an excellent point. Player movement could improve the level of cricket in the region.

Unfortunately, when you are surrounded by water nationalism can be taken to new heights. Just look at Brexit.

West Indies cricket has never fully embraced player movement so it might take some coaxing for it to be accepted.

When I followed Shield Shell Cricket I can only recall one cricketer who played for another country and it was Wes Hall who played for Trinidad.

In order to climb out from the bottom of international cricket we must be willing to embrace new ideas.

link beesis Joined: Feb 3, 2003
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10/7/20, 3:18:45 PM 
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Okay...I got all that but bloody shame or not - did he make a valid point?

link imusic Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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10/7/20, 3:31:54 PM 
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Sure. Player movement. Who’s going to pay for it?

link Fivestar Joined: Aug 30, 2003
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10/7/20, 4:13:50 PM 
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Perhaps we can ask Trump, the successful businessman, for a donation.

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10/7/20, 4:31:35 PM 
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You saying Mexico will pay for it?

link dayne Joined: May 28, 2007
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10/7/20, 4:45:07 PM 
The Selectors in the individual regions are under pressure to select local players, opportunities are limited for players in the WI, so the Selectors give the opportunities to players they are familiar with.

link Kay Joined: Jan 31, 2015
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10/7/20, 5:21:47 PM 
Focus on the message peeps .... don't kill the messenger

link Baje Joined: Dec 9, 2002
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10/7/20, 5:30:29 PM 
The CWI selectors should create the the pool from which the franchises can select from
Then you will see more player movement. You can't trust franchises to create the pool

link imusic Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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10/7/20, 5:36:37 PM 
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Again, who is going to pay for this player movement? And that’s even during pre Covid.

Now in the middle of the pandemic, who is going to pay?

link Barry Joined: Jun 19, 2019
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10/7/20, 5:51:59 PM 
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Wow.....antiguans are the most nationalistic after bajans(who are light years in front).....with the exception of curtly ambrose.......and the referencing Viv....who was/is the most nationalistic of the lot.....if you don't believe me, ask viv about the consistent presence of Keith Atherton on his test teams despite atherton scoring the first of his 2 centuries at test level in 1992/3....after viv had retired............have some bloody shame benjamin


indeed .. . Keith is Ritchie

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link openning Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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10/7/20, 9:32:03 PM 
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There is a reason why Bajans don't talk about T&F, but the cricket world knows, The Barbados Pride is the Regional 4 day, organization.
We are the Dallas Cowboys, Manchester United and all the top teams around the world, that have a winning record.
Only last Monday, I switch to my Pittsburg Steelers colours, after a golf tournament, thats what winners can do.
lol lol

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10/7/20, 9:49:20 PM 
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antiguans are the most nationalistic after bajans(who are light years in front).....
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Jumpy a place named Trinidad don't exist, follow by the yard.

link Jumpstart Joined: Nov 29, 2017
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10/7/20, 9:50:00 PM 
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lol lol lol lol lol lol
Hoss you have not one ounce of shame. Saying Pride is the 4 day Man Utd with players averaging 20s and 30s in international cricket is like saying Maldives is the best footballing nation among sri lanka, bhutan and Kiribati.....you are delusional

link Jumpstart Joined: Nov 29, 2017
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10/7/20, 9:53:43 PM 
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Maybe....but the last great player from the WI is a trinidadian. When the generation that saw viv and co leaves the scene, people will remember Brian Charles Lara, not pedro collins or Roland Holder or tino best or kraigg brathwaite or shai hope or miguel cummins or the how much failures Barbados has offered WI cricket since the great Desmond Haynes' retirement

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10/7/20, 9:58:21 PM 
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1965-2020, 22 wins.
Thats why the comparison.
That s why the Barbados fans can walk tall, when speaking of 4 day cricket in the region
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link Jumpstart Joined: Nov 29, 2017
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10/7/20, 10:02:44 PM 
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Stop living in the past yo.....sounding like those Nottingham forest supporters who boast about winning the european cup( now championsleague) twice decades ago while currently being in 22nd place in the second division of english football. I'm sure Barbados cant even beat Boland from South Africa in a four day fixture

link openning Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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10/7/20, 10:09:03 PM 
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Did the Pride not win the Regional 4 day tournament this year?

link Jumpstart Joined: Nov 29, 2017
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10/7/20, 10:12:48 PM 
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You actually take Pride in winning the 2nd or third worst first class competition in the world? As i said winning our 4 day tournament is like maldives boasting they have the best footballers among bhutan and montseratt

link Tryangle Joined: Jul 10, 2004
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10/7/20, 10:17:20 PM 
Would the one day and four day teams be willing to rename and rebrand in a way such that the country name is no longer present, in that case? That seems to be the only way to achieve what Benjamin is suggesting in terms of nationalistic goals.

link openning Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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10/7/20, 10:30:12 PM 
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Just like any team take pride in winning tournaments.
Barbados has produce two of the best cricketers the world have seen, Sir Garfield Sober and Malcolm Marshall, for such a tiny Island, every young bajans should know about them, just like they know how great Usain Bolt was, in T&F.

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