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Half-time:

Jamaica 2, Surinam 0
TV - FS1

In reply to CWWeekes
Jamaica made that look easier than it should have been,the fact that Surinam had 8 Dutch players.Reading up on Surinam they expected 2 more who plays with LA Galaxy,somehow they didn't get released by the club.Jam made easy work of what could have been a difficult night.I see Jamaica as potential semi finalists,at least.

In reply to granite

you and you alone will make an attempt to describe Suriname as some football powerhouse to be beaten

In reply to problemjay

Suriname have gotten better of late but Jamaica would expect to have gotten out of Group C without much difficulty.

Anything less than the semis is a failure. I did not see the match but i expected a tough one given the addition of the Dutch based players.

Missed the Jamaica vs Suriname game but that is an expected game result

For me this Gold Cup will only get exciting come quarter finals

In reply to nitro
I thought so to,with 8 players all playing in the Ditch league you would expect a fight,not like the Surinam we knew some years ago,one result in the Qualifiers was a 6 nil beating of Bermuda,never an easy team to beat,let alone 6 nil,they have also beaten Nicaragua 6 nil quite recently.I don't remember exactly,but Nicaragua put us out of a WC or GC a few years ago,can't recall which.

I expect Jamaica to be in the Semis at least,they have been close in 2015 and 2017 who knows this time,I also hope TT keeps surprising me at least,I can't explain what went wrong with our football,I hope we beat El Salvador,not an easy team to beat.

In reply to granite

Since Suriname put a licking on my Bermuda in WCQs I figured they'd be above-average

The French and the Dutch territories (or former territories) have become dangerous partly because of their setup and who they can 'bring in'.

But I hope the Caribbean countries do well this tourney. And if any of them get a chance at Mexico, kick their behinds.

T&T blanked by El Salvador, which means the Soca Warriors are going to need a chunk of help (and luck) to make the next round.

In reply to bdaTryangle
Trinidad is really "bad",and I mean bad like in shyte,and I am so sorry.

Reggae Boyz hit with Covid19.

Qatar 4- Grenada 0
Honduras 3 - Panama 2

In reply to nitro

Grenada has two UK-born half 'Jamaican' brothers in the squad, one of whom played. Their Jamaican born uncle was a UK and European boxing champion.

In reply to nitro

Jamaica likely will play US in quarters

In reply to JahJah

Kool.

Why do so many of the Grenada players have French sounding names? Grenada was a British territory nuh?

In reply to ray
Wow, that is a very tough one. Yard has a soft midfield.

USA 1 Canada 0

Canada missed a ton of chances in this one.

Haiti 2 Martinique 1

In reply to nitro

The USA was not playing hard.

Will be watching JA against a good CR team later.

First Central American test for Jamaican in the tournament

In reply to problemjay

The draw with GUA was hard to watch

In reply to Halliwell

And hard to post about for pj, so he turns his attentions elsewhere.

Is that Jamaica starting line up correct? Mostly subs? If so, why?

In reply to JahJah

Shielding top players from yellow cards I understand. 7 Changes.

In reply to nitro
yep saw that in The Observer plus they want to try out a different mid-field and some defenders

In reply to Brerzerk

They need to give different players a chance so the coach can have an idea how to build his team for the World Cup qualifiers. They do not have any more games before that starts in September. Plus some big players will be available by then.

In fact they should really focus on examining players for this tournament instead of making winning it a priority.

In reply to nitro

I thought yellow cards don't move on to the knockout stage?

In reply to camos

Apparently they do or Tappa was just using that as an excuse.

In reply to camos

Yellow cards are canceled after the quarter finals

In reply to FanAttick

Is that why Leon Bailey didn't play?

Still, it seems quite a few chances were created in contrast to CR. What happen? Jamaicans still don't know how to find the back of a net?

The Reggaeboyz was all over the Costa Ricans from start to finish,and had they taken half their chances they would have won the match at least 4-1.Some chances were clear cut.Looking at that game I feel they could pull off a win against the big ,bad USA.Jamaica looks like a team that is seriously challenging the Central Americans.

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Final score, Costa Rica 1 - 0 Jamaica

Central american teams continue to beat Caribbean teams. This is what usually happens in tournaments.
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In reply to JahJah

Yeah…Bailey was on a yellow card…

I rate the Reggae Boyz chances better vs US than vs the Montreal Canadiens…so maybe not a bad result in the end..

In reply to granite sound take on the match - jamaica missed a critical defensive tackle that was the winning goal

I didn't expect to see Qatar top their group - not sure if that's an indictment on whether Honduras and Panama are on a downswing in the region or the WC hosts have bulked up.

Costa Rica has owned and dominated Caribbean teams for a long time. Research the win-lose record between CR and Jamaica and CR and other Caribbean teams. They were the favourites to win last night. Like ah say earlier in this discussion, the excitement don't really start until the quarterfinals

Doesn't mean they haven't been and can't be beaten again. If the 'bench' played as well against them it says sup'n

problemjay and TriniStar with their insightful commentary.

They clearly didn't watch the match nor consider the fact that Jamaica didn't field their full starting lineup.

They only came here to gloat that Jamaica lost.

In reply to TriniStar

Then why are you putting stock in a match Jamaica dominated with mostly subs?

BTW: Jamaica contested the last 2 Gold Cup finals. They had to get past CR and other central American teams to do so.

In reply to JahJah

Bobby Reid is back which is excellent news.

In reply to JahJah

I deal with facts and not emotions. Review these stats which also include Jamaica head to head clashes with CR in previous Gold Cups Link Text

In reply to TriniStar

Why not bring up 1901? What does that have to do with the last 5 years or so?

Let's borrow a phrase from your boyfriend problemgay. Long gone are the days when Central American teams dominate Caribbean teams. Decades ago the results would have been a foregone conclusion.

A Caribbean team was in the last 2 Gold Cup finals. Getting past central Americans teams made that possible.

Now deal with those facts and stop letting your envious emotions dictate your posts.

Good luck to TnT in their quarterfinal match. Jamaica will have their hard time winning theirs. Maybe allyuh can carry the torch this time.

Captain JA Jerk Pork Jah Jah don't want to deal with facts. He is convinced its an attack on Jamaica by everyone

What a skunt

In reply to problemgay

low self esteem punk. Jamaica won't reach a 3rd final in a row.

the Caribbean is counting on TnT to do it this time.

good luck in the quarters, fassy.

In reply to JahJah

for a sec I wondered why yuh say T & T in quarters...then ah realize

The last time The Yard faced the great USA we were whipped 4-1.

It will take a miracle to beat the Kings of the region.

In reply to nitro

Jamaica got some very good talent – the question is: can they play as a team --- I have limited confidence in the coach, but with a little bit of luck Jamaica can beat USA. They made one defensive mistake against Costa Rica and it cost them. Their defense I question, but they have good on the ball talent – they just need to play their most talented players. The team that played Costa had eight changes from their previous match – some of those guys displayed fabulous ball skills wouldn’t count them out

Jamaica needs to improve first touch and off the ball movement!

In reply to birdseye

Unlike you, I think outside of the goalkeeping position, the defense has been the best of the remaining outfit.

Strikers - miss a plethora of chances
Midfield - unable to consistently connect the defense with the strikers

In reply to JoeGrine

This is not a tit-for-tat response, but your above comment didn’t really nullify my assessment – you don’t get to take and miss a plethora of shots if you are unskilled --- like basketball, sometimes things just don’t go your way

Qatar and Mexico made it through to the Semis. Qatar doing better than I expected. Their football is good and that is important because they need to put on a good show at home as hosts of next year WC

Costa Rica vs Canada and US vs Jamaica tonight.

This Jamaica team going nowhere but home.Too many mental errors and technical flaws.
Imagine defenders turning balls back in face of their own goal and they can't keep possession to relieve pressure.
Phew..do they have any strikers ?
.deport them

In reply to hubert

The US dont even look that impressive to me as well.

Stupid, Stupid loss

At least a 'Jamaican' scored last night for Canada.


Find strikers...and quick. Jamaicans still don't know how to bury the ball in the back of the net. The ailment has continued for far too long.

Is Leon Bailey injured? How come he didn't play? Or did Aston Villa or Bayer say to leave him out because they want him in one piece?

Finally, why didn't Shamar start?

So we've lost yet another away game to the USA on their turf. Makes that 2-1 semi final win over them in 2015 Gold Cup sweeter. Too bad we couldn't do it again.

In reply to JahJah
You are right,generally speaking our strikers don't have the ability to bury the ball in the net,Jam had nuff chances to do that,some teams have 2 or 3 chances and tek one.Anyway Jam should be proud of their football culture.They can consider themselves a football nation equal to all in CONCACAF and better than many.
WC 22 next to look forward to.

In reply to JahJah

I finally got to watch a full game with this team. Based on what i saw they are not ready to qualify for the World Cup.

Does the coach have a system or I should say a MODERN one? The team is playing the old fashioned kick an run dung football. Ugly, boring and ineffective. Blake is a very good keep despite the error on that goal but he does not know how to play out from the back instead of kicking downfield hoping that his forwards, already outnumbered by the opposition's defense, will get lucky. Luck is not a strategy. Following from that the same can be said of the defense as they cannot play out from the back so an already poor midfield is unable to link defense with attack.

Jamaica need a good coach but not being optimistic about that given the Patty Shop being operated by the JFF.

Apart from Fisher, Blake and Decordova-Reid the guys look sluggish and weak. This more than likely is due to poor nutrtion and poor physical preparation. Again this would not be surprising given the poor operation of the JFF.

Then Jamaicans wonder why so many top players either refuse or delay their decision to represent the country.

In Jamaica the only sports governing body that seems to get it right is the JAAAs.

In reply to TriniStar
The USA was really ordinary.
I was more impressed by the Canada outfit against The Ticos. We'll
see if they continue in this manner.

In reply to nitro

JAAA? Surely you jest

In reply to JahJah

Maybe because he showed in the last game he started that he couldn't bury the ball in the back of the net.

In reply to JoeGrine

Because Cory and Bobby showed that they could. I guess they're all the same and it's a coin flip as to who starts.

In reply to nitro

Blake has been making many errors since he started playing for Jamaica. I used to call him Calamity Blake or Blunder Blake.

Nice to see nothing has changed.

In reply to JoeGrine

Jamaican athletes are not properly prepared?

In reply to hubert

Canada has looked better than the USA however this is basically the USA's B team. The stars are being rested for the World Cup qualifiers. This places Jamaica's poor performance in an even worse light.

In reply to nitro

USA doesn't have much more to offer despite who you they rested. They'll get trounced outside the region.

In reply to JahJah

Most of the USA team that trashed the Yard 4-1 a couple months ago are not at the Gold Cup. They will make a huge difference.

In reply to nitro

1) Who was on that Yard team? It was a mere 'friendly'. Jeadine White in goal? DWL.
2) Yard is in the region. USA will get stomped in Europe and SA. They are not impressive.
3) USA is a soft side regardless of who you think they are missing?

In reply to JahJah

Their recent record says you are wrong. In any event I am focusing on the World Cup qualifiers for the region.

Jamaica cannot make the top three to qualify for the World Cup with this coach and this midfield. The likes of Antonio and Roofe will make a better attack and Pinnock will add quality to the defense but only God can help that midfield.

Mexico, USA, Canada, Costa Rica and Panama are well ahead of the Boyz.

In reply to nitro
Got it...and Jamaica was without Baily again. But the talent level and competence of the squad is poor by
any international standard.
They won't make the World Cup as Canada,USA and Mexico are looking best for the top three. A whole lot of competition
for the playoff 4th spot...Costa Rica,El Salvador,Haiti and even Cuba as well as TT&T will be in the mix.
Don't write off T&T they are rebuilding well despite their perpetual administrative struggles.

I still don't see the value of so many so called good players from the diaspora with JA links.. Most seem very ordinary.
It would be a good idea to have such players attached to local clubs,play even in loimited number of games and compete
with what is local.But it won't happen.

Jamaica needs a well run semi pro or full pro league with limited teams in a top tier locally.
This has been spoken of since the days of Penna who transformed Jamaica's football in early 60s.


IT Won't happen. Administrations are always looking the easy way..fast food approach of grabbing from abroad rather than
building constructively at the local level...Good football fields including artificial turf fields,is one place to begin
positive investment.
Let me stop here before I lose my temper.

In reply to hubert

Sorry sir, Cuba, Haiti and TnT are out.

In reply to JahJah

Did not realize that...thanks for the info..maybe 2026 for sure.




I am still not hopeful that Whitmore can get this Jamaica squad to the World Cup. They just don't have it.
I hope i am wrong tho.

In reply to nitro

You forgot Ravel...if things fall into place. That will help the midfield.

Costa Rica are not well ahead of them. They are on the wane. They were lucky not to be trounced by Jamaica's reserves. Canada made no mistake though. Not sure what's going on with Panama.

In reply to hubert

Need to cold like ice finishers, but look in finding even one of those. Is Roofe the one. We shall see.

We'll see if they are even good enough for the 4th spot, but as things stands now, they are definitely miles away from sniffing 1st, 2nd and even 3rd place.

In reply to hubert

I was looking at Gray's goal scoring record since 2017 and wondered to myself if the powers that be saw it too.

In reply to hubert

I understand your thoughts on the folks from the diaspora however if we can have have players of good quality to lift our game to the next level we should grab them. In any event if the UK do not want them Link Text we have to step in. They are still Jamaicans.

By the way professionalism goes a long way and our lads are still lacking it. Onandi Lowe and Wlater Boyd were way more talented than the likes of Deon Burton and Paul Hall in 1997 but Jamaica were threading water until those guys along with Roobbie Earle and Fitzroy Simpson were added to the team.

The major difference then as well was we had good leadership behind the team. From PM P.J. Patterson to Capt. Horace Burrell and the coach Rene Simoes.

Now we have some farts who can't even run a patty shop.

team played a good game, Blake made and error after he had that accident,maybe the concussion test did not detect damage!

In reply to JahJah

Gray is passionate about playing for Jamaica but he has lost his pace. He cannot make the squad if Antonio and Roofe get through with their papers.

I am praying that Dujon Sterling, Max Aarons, Isaac Hayden, Mason Holgate, Nathan Redmond, Demari Gray and Ivan Toney realize that they will not make the England squad and decide to play.

That will mean I have to pray for a better JFF. Jesus Saves!

In reply to nitro

That is really at heart of the matter in the whole scheme of things. One
can only hope that excellent leadership comes to the fore allround or else.....????

wanted Reggae Boyz v Qatar match up . Qatar attackers technique and class v Boyyz speed and power. Boyz exit a shame

In reply to nitro

The good players we need are top notch,not Bit players who are not standouts on their Premier or Division One sides.
As bit players they are marginally better than others at home and are not real leaders. So we
are stuck with the mediocre 2nd and third tier quality and they will not enhance improvement or development in the over all cause for the country.

If we are talking of a Raheem Sterling then we can talk; but such is not and will not be available
to Jamaica.

Progress must start at the home soil level and build upwards and better for long term, gains.
Where is the heart of players after each campaign, especially after a losing cause ?
So many have come and gone and one is left wondering if the country got value for money etc which is always foremost for these
same players.
Its a no win situation in the current environment and failure to gain stature is a failre to qualify for the World Cup will see
the process embark on another cycle of the same....cr...p.
Whither progress ?????

In reply to hubert

You are too hard on the guys. The US were playing at home with all their supporters. Pressure situation but our #8 defender didn't even do a quick check behind him to see the guy lurking. Tough loss but it wasn't 5-0.

In reply to JahJah

Precicely!

In reply to hubert

Watch a local "Premier" League and please don't sue me for the damage it will do to your eyes.

The standard of play in local (Jamaican) football is below abysmal and I am being charitable in describing it as such.

In reply to JoeGrine

The facilities are poor. The pitches are glorified cow pastures.

No wonder coaches like Whitmore play the long ball game. It is difficult to play a good brand of soccer on those fields.

In reply to JoeGrine
I know man,,I no longer even try to watch..from I see the conditions of field I tune out
and lose hope of anything good to materialize.
That's why I advocate for some Artificial turf fields as maintenance of good grass field is
expensive and takes lots of time and effort especially in drier than normal places like Kingston
where water is not cheap or plentiful.

Its a sad situation all round.

In reply to Phillip-3
Too hard ?, This is first Team Jamaica against a 2nd -3rd rate USA squad.

That is the reality and speaks to the disparity in talent and achievement.
Jamaica going forward fast in reverse. Wake Up.

There is far too much hype and lofty expectations about Jamaica's football.

In reply to hubert

3rd? Let's not go that far. USA is missing Christian who else, 4 or 5 other fellas?

In reply to nitro

Even worse fields produced:

Durant Brown
Steven Malcolm
Gregory Messam
Linval Dixon
Ian Goddison
Onandi Lowe
Theodore Withmore
Christopher Dawes

So, blaming the field is just an excuse, as the fields are significantly better today than then.
Poor coaching and secondly, the cultural inability of the Jamaican males to accept and implement instructions and thirdly, administrative incompetence are more at play here.

In reply to JoeGrine

I agree with everything you say but this statement below is as a result of poor leadership, starting from the homes. These same Jamaicans do great when they migrate and are equipped mentally and physically.

Raheem Sterling and Daniel Sturridge etc. would have struggled to make it big in the Yard.

not enough football is played in Jamaica!

In reply to hubert

Hubie, just grit your teeth and bear this 1-0 defeat. Think of Brazil 2014. You are playing at home before a massive crowd, no European team even won in South America. Germany pumped in 7 on Brazil.

This Jamaica team will bounce back.

In reply to nitro

Agreed!

In reply to JoeGrine

Mostly defenders those.

Whitmore's quote (Gleaner)

“The signs are promising going into the World Cup qualifiers. With what we have we know we will need additional reinforcement. We needed some presence in the opponents’ 18-yard box. We didn’t play bad, contrary to what people are saying. We just didn’t make use of our chances and in these critical moments of international football we have to turn half-chances into real chances and we missed clear-cut chances as well,” said Whitmore, who admitted the addition of West Ham’s striker, Michael Antonio, would be an asset to the team.

“Michael Antonio would have contributed, because especially in this tournament, we lacked presence in the opponents’ 18-yard box. We missed numerous goal scoring opportunities in all the games. We have to take all these things into consideration going into the World Cup qualifiers,”

Good to see that Tappa recognize and is willing to speak publicly that they need reinforcement. The inclusion of the English born players I would think has helped results leading to the team ranking in the top 50.

This ranking is very important for the local based players. At least for the EPL as if Jamaica is ranked out of the top 50 players from Yard cannot obtain contracts from clubs in the EPL. In fact I think this situation came up a few years ago when the goal keeper Blake, could not take up an offer. Jamaica was ranked 65 then.

The English boys helped us to the World Cup and in the process players such as Onandi Lowe, Pepe Goodison, Bibi Gardner, Tappa Whitmore and Aron Lawrence earned good contracts in the UK.

In reply to JahJah

Just who are the defenders being locally produced now?

In reply to JoeGrine

You tell me. Whoever they are, are they as bad at their jobs as the current midfielders and strikers?

In reply to JoeGrine

Powell, Lowe and Fisher are good players!

In reply to camos

The forwards were like heavy-legged men when they were in the goal area.

In reply to Phillip-3

Burke made some very good crosses from the right wing and time and time again there was no one to collect them. We need a #9 .

In reply to camos

Coach not up to the required standard. Kick an Run Dung is ole useless football.

In reply to nitro

Wrong Nitro. Some teams play the long ball while others prefer the snappy short passing . You just have to be skilled at what you are doing. The Germans are good playing the long ball and sometimes the forwards catch the defense napping by making the run at the right time and people watching think they are off side.

Very good game on US v Qatar!

Qatar putting the pressure on the US!

US score!

In reply to hubert
Here's why grassroots is key, The Ricardo Fullers and Bibi Gardners were quality homegrown who went into the EPL. Then while still there would join the team of locals and pass on knowledge

In reply to Brerzerk
Absolutely.That's where the real value comes in.

In reply to camos
Glad they did and win too..Did not know of Qatar as anything big in football. Would have been
a travesty if they reached the final.Should not have gotten this far anyhow. CONCACAF teams/Countries need to raise standard and the AFRICA countries too as well and return to the good old days of the 80s
as the Europeans look like they will dominate next WC.

Mexico 1-0 over Canada from the penalty spot at the half.

Oh Canada...tied it up 1-1 nice

Another US vs Mex final!

Could go anyway, hard to predict

In reply to TriniStar
AH was hoping Canada would put it pon Mexico

USA! USA! USA!

Even with the B Team USA taking this Cup.

They have surpassed Mexico as the Kings of Concacaf.

Tonight is the final and Mexico will be looking for revenge since that last match when the US came from two goals behind to beat them. Should be end to end excitement

In reply to TriniStar

As usual, plenty Mexicans gon be there....is like they have thousands of Mexicans in every state

In reply to ray

Some parts of America is a home game for the Mexican team bro

Anytime Mex play in South California or Texas the American team feel like the visitors

I hope this dull final dont go into penalties

Concacaf is behind in football

USA
1-0

In reply to FanAttick

Oh lawd oye! Link Text

Just imagine the amount of racist anger rhetoric coming out of dem upset Mexicans mouths in the stadium

In reply to nitro

Damn! you called it bro -- not the most skilled performance, but it kept you on edge irrespective who you were rooting for

In reply to birdseye

USA! USA! USA!

The quality of football in the region, especially finishing is very poor though. Saw a man ending up in the net instead of the damn ball, funny as hell.

In reply to nitro

Do you realize Mexico has half their squad at the Olympics?

For the first time I am happy that the US won the Gold Cup

In reply to camos

Ok, so we were even and we WON!

In reply to FanAttick

I did not remember a thing about this FINAL...

But I a very happy USA won because has another team at the Olympics and it
would reflect badly on CONCACAF if they were winners here as it would speak to the weakness
of the Region's other Country's football.

Only 1-0 ? should have been more convincing but USA also rebuilding with the WC in mind.

BTW, the Mexico team I saw against Korea at the Olympics,looked good especially around the 18 yard box of their opponents.