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The greatest Schoolboy Team - Jamaica?

 
nitro 2021-07-23 19:35:00 

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The Ruseas team of the 80s was a great team as well.

 
JoeGrine 2021-07-23 19:47:57 

In reply to nitro

As the article states, the 1971 Wolmers and 1977 Clarendon teams are worthy of consideration as well for that title.

Personally, I would put the 1977 StETHS team right up there with them even though they lost the DaCosta Cup to Clarendon in a disputed finals at Clarendon.

 
camos 2021-07-23 20:22:48 

In reply to JoeGrine The VERE team in Skill final year!

 
JayMor 2021-07-23 20:55:28 

In reply to camos

Wha' dat, 'bout 1968? Yes, that was an all-conquering team. StETHS was trying to raise its hand with the likes of Dennis Alcock, Cat Hanson, Milverton Brooks, et al, but we couldn't make the grade.

In the 1980's I sparred with a group that included Milton Fullwood who was captain of that Vere team, and I ran into him again a couple years ago at a record collectors meet in Florida. Apart from music we chatted a little about those times. You may not know but one key player was "Trini" (I forgot his real name) who, Fully told me, was able to arrange a trip to T&T for some matches with schools there. Man, how life and things like such were so much easier back then.

Another member of that Vere Tech team was Milton Samuels (aka Keithus I). He is into music these days and I've had in studio a couple times for a live interviews.

--Æ.

 
camos 2021-07-23 21:02:01 

In reply to JayMor

Trini was Douglas!

 
JayMor 2021-07-23 21:20:22 

In reply to camos

Yes, that's right; Anthony Douglas. I wonder if we shouldn't have submitted his name on that recent greatest T&T footballers thread. big grin

--Æ.

 
Brerzerk 2021-07-23 21:44:04 

Franklyn Morant, naturally gifted sportsman. Practiced cricket with him informal after-work stuff. Older and hadn't picked up a bat in maybe decades yet still had it.

 
CWWeekes 2021-07-23 21:54:01 

Many whose opinion I respect rate the KC 1964 aggregation as one of the best ever. I was around but never saw that team in action, only on radio and newspaper reports. That team lost 3-0 to a Brazilian under-20 that was held to a 1-1 tie by Jamaica All Schools, with goalkeeper Steve Bucknor starring in that game. They also played a Trinidad Schoolboy Team which included Everard Cummings and Warren Archibald. I believe they held the Trinis to a tie; can't remember.

The Vere 1968 team which included Corcel Blair, Bob Campbell, Errol "Bunny Grant" Barrett, Trini Douglas" and Orville Edwards has to be up there with the best of them. That team I saw with "mine own eyes".

The Wolmers 1971? with Richard Davey, Paul Pringle, Tulloch and Largie that beat VT in the Oliver Shield Final was not a bad team.

 
JoeGrine 2021-07-23 22:04:43 

In the "could have been" department:


1) Trench Town 1970 - star studded
2) KC 1971 - arguably one of their best player transferred and was "blamed" for KC not winning
3) Trench Town 1975 - all their better players went to C'Down and Clarendon

 
camos 2021-07-24 00:27:05 

long before I ever see a football I can remember everyone talking about Tony Keys from KC, think he ran the 100 also. How good was he?

 
Phillip-3 2021-07-24 02:29:24 

In reply to nitro

The best... KC 1965.

Clarendon '77 was just a good team. Not great because they gave Calabar 5-0 at stadium. They didn't win the 1st leg on their home ground.

 
JoeGrine 2021-07-24 08:21:09 

In reply to camos


long before I ever see a football I can remember everyone talking about Tony Keys from KC, think he ran the 100 also. How good was he?


Keyes was a decent sprinter at KC but was always in Lennox Miller's shadow.
On the track, I would say he was better at the hurdles event winning same in Class 2, his lone individual Champs victory.

 
Wally-1 2021-07-24 11:24:59 

In reply to nitro

Get out of here with your subjective view.
Wolmer's 1971 by a country mile.

 
JoeGrine 2021-07-24 12:03:43 

The KC ('65) - Wolmers ('71) - CC ('77) debate will rage on forever. big grin

 
Phillip-3 2021-07-24 15:10:16 

In reply to Wally-1

Hey Wally, another good team. Great Olivier Shield comeback after 1st leg 0-0 & down 0-2 at half time to Vere at stadium.

KC '65 had a clean sweep.

 
hubert 2021-07-24 16:35:32 

In reply to Phillip-3
I have not seen a better schoolboy team that the KC of '65. They ran rings around
a Brazil Under 20 which included Pele's 'successor in waiting' EDU.

They ran the table with dominance that year.

Covered the 71 Wolmer's and the 77 Clarendon College of with great friend Winston Chung Fah as coach but the Purple and white
got it. CC would be a worthy runner up though as they produced National reps of note..Den Den Hutchinson and Lenny 'Teacher' Hyde.

 
Wally-1 2021-07-24 16:36:26 

In reply to JoeGrine

Didnt see the 65 team , Wolmers team could have represented Ja.

 
hubert 2021-07-24 17:36:36 

In reply to Wally-1


You missed something very special. They conceded only 3 goals all season (all in the Manning Cup)and scored about 60 goals
The3y defeated Vere Tech with Skill Cole,Les Brown and Fullwood a wonderful and tough player who was captain. Vere
were beating teams with double figure scores with no response such as 24-0 vs Dinthill.And when they did not, they would allow goals.
KC took them out 1-00 at Vere and 2-0 at the Stadium after the concesnsus was that the Purple's defence could not
hold the juggernauths. They gave them a lesson in defense and Boyd Morant toyed with the vaunted opposition from back to middle
and showed their dominance in attack as well as in defence.On attack it was ashes to ashes dust to dust, if Jumpy Harris didn't get you Oxford
must. Great team that played 'Big Man' football.

Pity the '66 season was called off as some of the KC boys still had a year left to play. But without the stars of 65, a virtually new
team won again in 67.

KC were held nil- all in the Walker Cup final by Wolmer's, their only blemish but took care of business with 2-0 in a replay.
On balance, the Clarendon Team of 77 was probably more delightful to watch with their artistry of the brilliant passing that
brought the 'beautiful' game to the fore.
But they were not as dominant not did they face as fearsome and powerful an aggregation as KC had to with Vere Technical.
Vere was an awesome team.

 
camos 2021-07-24 19:40:28 

In reply to Wally-1

remember Davey scoring a few headers!

 
JoeGrine 2021-07-24 23:04:57 

In reply to hubert

Vere beating Dinthill 24-0 speaks more to how weak DaCosta teams not named Munro, Cornwall and Vere were up to 1970 -1972. Of course that does not detract from the KC '65 juggernaut.

Clarendon had to get by Vere and StETHS in '77 that was a handful and as I have remarked previously, I put the '77 StETHS team right up there with Clarendon.

Wolmers '71 would have had a hard time with KC had their star midfielder not left.

 
hubert 2021-07-25 00:21:07 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yes Vere had the much easier opposition because because so many DaCosta Cup schools were poor..Munro,Cornwall and Titchfield were good and STETHS were a long way behind and Holmwood was fair teams..but even the stronger ones could not get by them,,Cornwall College held them 2-2 Vere had some
outstanding talent and were kings at home.

Any schoolboy team with Skill Cole , Les Brown and Fullwood was class.
Skill signed his North American Soccer League contract at his class desk. Or so I was told but never verified lol
The recruitment of talent by Schoolmaster Ben Francis was legendary and made that school a powerhouse in football and later cricket and track.It helped had Prime Minster Hugh Shearer too as a boost to his constituency.
Those of us who saw some of those teams back then were indeed blessed. I don't think there are teams
now that could match those of the 60s and 70s.

The KC juggernaut was extra special..that year they had 10 starters on the ALL Manning team and nary a word of dissent was heard. I think the other player was from XLCR or JC,can't recall.And they proceeded to dismantle the All DaCosta which was boosted by the best from Cornwall ,ace shooter and former colleague Ali McNab .

 
CWWeekes 2021-07-25 00:49:24 

In reply to hubert

Who was the lone non-KC player on that All-Manning side?
Answer: Frances Delgado of JC

 
hubert 2021-07-25 00:59:23 

In reply to CWWeekes

Thanks...Knew I would get quick answer. Appreciate it.
smile

 
CWWeekes 2021-07-25 01:22:06 

In reply to hubert

Anytime Maas Hubie.

Remember in 65 when Vere handed that volleyball score to Dinthill, we at Glenmuir considered it a victory of sorts to lose 3-0 at home to VT in the first leg of the home and away encounter. The low score was blamed on the fact that a pipe was "accidentally" left on overnight and the field was muddy.

 
hubert 2021-07-25 01:31:14 

In reply to CWWeekes
Yes,,even when Clarendon took a 6 or 7 love they could smile

smile

 
Phillip-3 2021-07-25 02:07:41 

In reply to hubert

'66 would have been interesting because Vere had most of their '65 players. Not sure if Mr "Django shoots first" Corcel Blair would have been on that team. They beat KC 3-0 (1st leg) in '67 without Skill Cole who was on suspension. JC also got beat up in '68.