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2 Covid deaths in Guyana

 
Dukes 2021-09-25 01:13:41 

Today,I heard about 2 deaths from Covid that took place in Guyana.
The first was someone I knew.He was 60 years old and his sister called me this afternoon to tell me that he died this morning. Most of his family live in the US but 3 of them were in Guyana in July and refused to let him in the house they were staying because he had refused to get vaccinated.Before they went to Guyana, they had pleaded with him via telephone to get vaccinated but he was adamant that he was not taking the vaccine.He started having symptoms in July but did not get the test and instead took a variety of home cures.He continued to feel unwell but continued to take a variety of treatments none of which seemed to wrk, until just a week ago when he got really very sick and was admitted to hospital where he succumbed today.
Interestingly the family started looking at sending money via Western Union to bury him and were told that in order to enter the Western Union building one had to prove that you were vaccinated.

The second case involves a person I do not know.He is a former co-worker of a brother of the chap that died this morning.They worked at a hospital but again he refused to get vaccinated and told his friends that he believed that the vaccine caused impotence and when they had all taken their vaccines and gotten impotent he would "service" their women.Well he retired, started collecting Social Security and a Union pension.He went to Guyana on a vacation, caught Covid and died 3 months ago.His wife who is more than 10 years younger than him has not informed the Federal Government or the Union that he has died and is still collecting both sets of money.
Both stories are sad, though the second one is filled with irony.

My question is what does it take for people to wise up and do the obvious right thing which is to get vaccinated.

 
Narper 2021-09-25 02:04:44 

In reply to Dukes

They are in fact committing suicide by Covid

There is nothing one can really do for these people

 
Norm 2021-09-25 03:33:18 

In reply to Dukes

Sorry to hear. I have an 80-year-old brother-in-law, who barely completed "primary school", who refuses to get vaccinated and opines that those who got vaccinated were all spineless and willing guinea pigs. I know I will get the same news about him, soon.

 
steveo 2021-09-25 08:18:15 

In reply to Dukes

5 died yesterday, which is around the average per day

I don’t know if the stats are getting padded or what, does not seem like elderly deaths are the result of “natural causes “ anymore

If these deaths are primarily caused by COVID-19, it’s scary

 
granite 2021-09-25 10:19:41 

I am sure that the British Government is saving millions by the deaths of over 65s,it's a Pension windfall for them.

 
Dukes 2021-09-25 23:27:37 

In reply to granite

R U old enough to be that cynical?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-26 05:31:21 

In reply to Dukes

Should the millions who have benefited from natural immunity be required to take the vaccine?

 
Narper 2021-09-26 14:50:40 

In reply to DukeStreet
Natural immunity to what?
In 20 months not likely?
The virus is mutating...and more variants will be identified....vaccines are here to stay for those who want to live

 
Dukes 2021-09-26 17:10:24 

In reply to DukeStreet

Should the millions who have benefited from natural immunity be required to take the vaccine?


DO THE RESEARCH IN 8 SIMPLE STEPS

1. Go to college for 4 years

2. Spend another 8 years getting a PhD

3. Do a post-doctoral fellowship for 2 years

4. Start your own lab

5. Apply for grants to fund your research

6.Make scientific discoveries

7.Publish them in the peer-reviewed medical literature

8. Repeat steps 5-7 continually

 
Norm 2021-09-26 18:17:15 

In reply to Dukes
Aw, come on, Dukes. Why you have to make it so complicated.
These folks go thru steps 1, 6 and 7 all the time. Best "peer review" is right here in the Back Room.

Best college is right here too! These fellas have been attending Back Room classes here for decades man. Every man Jack here has a PhD (BR) and PhD(RS)! smile

 
tops 2021-09-26 18:55:11 

In reply to Dukes
I hear in Alberta they had a covid party so they can catch the virus and build their antibody naturally and not get the vaccine. Well, lots of them end up in ICU. I think dotishness like that should get them to pay for their own healthcare.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 00:28:40 

In reply to Narper

Natural immunity emerges as potential legal challenge to federal COVID-19 vaccination mandates

Some recent research, which looks at hundreds of thousands of cases in Israel and has yet to undergo peer review, indicates that natural immunity might be at least as effective as vaccination in certain people.


The 673,676-person Israeli study found that people who recovered from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection and remained unvaccinated were 27 times less likely to experience symptomatic reinfection from the Delta variant when compared to those who had not been infected and received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The study also found that previously infected people who received a single dose of the vaccine received additional protection against the Delta variant.


Maybe the scientists and doctors involved in these studies need to go through Steps 1-8 in Dukes Covid19 protocol. Clearly we have more PhDs in the Back Room than these researchers.
lol

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 00:38:26 

In reply to Dukes

Here

The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”


Nah, they must be lying and need to repeat Steps 1-8 in your Covid Rapid Response scenario.

These are def not PhDs and must be resident Backroom cricket people.

lol

 
Norm 2021-09-27 01:07:17 

In reply to DukeStreet
Thanks for the links.

Dukes will now give us a live demo of Step 9 in his "How to earn and defend a PhD".
Step 9. When cornered. Run for as long as you could!!!

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 01:34:07 

In reply to Norm

It's all right there bro. I am in no means saying vaccines are not needed. Of course, they are needed. Just trying to point out what immunologists (and the CDC) have known forever but somehow gets lost in all the shuffle out here.

More info, in a nutshell

Response rates

cool

 
Norm 2021-09-27 09:19:25 

In reply to DukeStreet

Thanks again, for more very informative links, and interesting viewpoints.

 
XDFIX 2021-09-27 09:38:40 

In reply to DukeStreet


The 673,676-person Israeli study found that people who recovered from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection and remained unvaccinated were 27 times less likely to experience symptomatic reinfection from the Delta variant when compared to those who had not been infected and received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The study also found that previously infected people who received a single dose of the vaccine received additional protection against the Delta variant.



It seems Russian roulette-like to me!

 
nick2020 2021-09-27 12:21:44 

In reply to Dukes

Sad. My condolences.

People are steadfast in their beliefs. Unfortunately sometimes they pay with their lives.

 
nick2020 2021-09-27 12:24:13 

In reply to DukeStreet

More info, in a nutshell


I got Alpha a year ago and just recovered from Delta. Alpha resulted in 7 days of flu like symptoms as well as tiredness for several weeks afterwards. Delta resulted in very mild cold like symptoms for a few days and no 'long' symptoms. I remain unvaccinated.


Some unvaccinated people do not survive to tell a story of natural immunity. Do you factor this in your equation?

Edit

I do not understand how people can come to the ridiculous conclusion. At least I can understand someone who does not follow any science but what is this part science conclusion really about?

The science also shows per capita the death rate of unvaccinated people is higher than vaccinated people. So you will risk that to acquire natural immunity? Why not then get vaccinated AND get Covid?

 
culpepperboy 2021-09-27 12:36:22 

In reply to Dukes

Forget those 8 steps. Just ask Dr.Google PHD, MD, DPhil, FCRS.

 
Walco 2021-09-27 13:02:27 

In reply to culpepperboy
Lots of online DIY medical degrees being handed out nowadays smile Even nurses are doctors in the age of covid ...

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 13:17:23 

In reply to nick2020

Some unvaccinated people do not survive to tell a story of natural immunity. Do you factor this in your equation?


I'm sure. Just as I'm sure some vaccinated people don't survive atall to tell their story. It goes both ways. Stop sugarcoating things. I have many family member and friends, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, who have suffered from the virus. One family member, unvaccinated, was in a coma for over 10 months before they pulled the plug on him. Another Jamaican friend, totally vaccinated (twice) and also a well known and local businessman, died last week from Covid.
This virus is no friend to anyone. Just understand how it affects people regardless of their situation and stop coming to me with lectures. Everything I have posted is out there and fully vetted by the experts.

 
Walco 2021-09-27 13:26:51 

In reply to DukeStreet
Seems like the perfect scenario that would create a virtually impregnable immune system would be to get vaccinated and then survive a breakthrough infection smile

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 13:43:19 

In reply to Walco
Tell that to the same doctors who you said got their degrees online. Dem is the ones you need to talk to. Not me, sah.

lol

 
black 2021-09-27 13:43:59 

In reply to DukeStreet

You do know that UNVACCINATED people are responsible for this latest wave that is occurring in the America, right?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 13:50:46 

In reply to black


My response is not about the UNVACCINATED. It is about studies and results from subjects who have natural immunity vs acquired immunity and legal challenges to federally mandated vaccines. Pay attention, dude.
lol

 
black 2021-09-27 13:55:52 

In reply to DukeStreet

So, how do you find out who has natural immunity or not?

It's a foolish argument but I suppose you're going to tell me you didn't come up with it, right?

 
Halliwell 2021-09-27 13:59:58 

In reply to DukeStreet

The science also shows per capita the death rate of unvaccinated people is higher than vaccinated people. So you will risk that to acquire natural immunity? Why not then get vaccinated AND get Covid?
——-
Some unvaccinated people do not survive to tell a story of natural immunity. Do you factor this in your equation? (Nick)
———
Seems like the perfect scenario that would create a virtually impregnable immune system would be to get vaccinated and then survive a breakthrough infection smile (Walco)


Don’t the above statements give you pause in your theory/belief?

 
Halliwell 2021-09-27 14:03:01 

In reply to DukeStreet

This will not hold up in court- I believe- because the virus is changing all the time because of the severe selection pressure; and defendants can’t back up their assertion of “infection with A can protect me against D”, before Covid19 E shows up. Protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

 
SCC1 2021-09-27 14:07:41 

You can’t force donkey fuh eat grass.

 
Brerzerk 2021-09-27 14:54:02 

Key word in your 1st post is SAD, sadly it is on multiple levels. I can only SMH

 
Brerzerk 2021-09-27 14:56:56 

In reply to Dukes
Why are you telling the man to go through the rigors taken up by Nikki Minaj Sah?

lol lol lol lol lol lol
Mr. Halliwell could NY use the Arizona findings as an argument in court? Say, we aren't saying we aim to protect everyone but the aim of Public Health is to reduce the possibility of infection spread and deaths. NB I have neither legal nor Public Health training

 
Dukes 2021-09-27 17:55:32 

Here are 5 tactics that anti-vaxx people use.

1.DOUBT SCIENCE-They try to do so upfront.Few people have any significant exposure to science, even high school science.

2.QUESTION MOTIVES-Docs are being paid by big Pharma

3. MAGNIFY DISAGREEMENTS- docs disagree on matters so they try to use that as proof that it is because they don't know what they are doing.

4. EXAGGERATE HARM- they try to get you to focus on the negative aspects which may occur in 5 patients in 1 million rather than the 995,000 patients out of a million who benefit without any discernible problem

5. APPEAL TO PERSONAL FREEDOM

 
Halliwell 2021-09-27 20:43:54 

In reply to Dukes

6. They claim “ you never know”

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 20:45:57 

1. Ignorant statement
2. More ignorance
3. Made up statement
4. More ignorance and numbers pulled out of arse
5. More subjective views.

At the end of the day, the facts and stats still stand up. Back Room opinions are what they are...just opinions.

Some of these baby boomer vaxxers have their heads so far up their arse, they only see what's close to them. They don't see or factor in a 25 or 30 year old recoveree with natural immunity who has less than a 1% chance of catching and suffering from a "re-infection". Their science does not allow them to accept this. That is "pseudo-science" to them and must be totally banished from all thought processes.
cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 20:47:37 

In reply to Halliwell

This will not hold up in court- I believe- because the virus is changing all the time because of the severe selection pressure; and defendants can’t back up their assertion of “infection with A can protect me against D”, before Covid19 E shows up. Protection against serious illness and hospitalisation.

Maybe. Maybe not. You could end up seeing vaccination cards along with natural immunity cards.

 
Halliwell 2021-09-27 20:59:05 

In reply to DukeStreet

Natural biological variation with a defined vaccine or set of vaccines gives an approx 90% chance of protection against serious Illness or hospitalisation.

Again, there is VERY little that can be defined in claiming natural immunity because of the massive variation- can’t pin down a set of variables long enough to quantify and stay current.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 21:00:31 

In reply to Halliwell

And you are 100% positive that will stand up in court?

 
Halliwell 2021-09-27 21:05:06 

In reply to DukeStreet

Of course not…
But “you never know” big grin big grin

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-27 21:21:44 

In reply to Halliwell

lol lol

 
POINT 2021-09-27 22:00:12 

In reply to Dukes

You need to read the Newspapers in
St, Vincent . The Nurses there do not
want to wear masks.

Now what I have stated above is a fact not Fiction . They are supporting the Opposition Party lead
regarding wearing Masks , and not
being vaccinated .

In this day and age it is astounding
that People can be so Stupid . Taking
injections aint something new .

 
nick2020 2021-09-27 22:43:53 

In reply to DukeStreet

Everything I have posted is out there and fully vetted by the experts.


You repeatedly omit probabilities and statistics purposely. Because it fits your agenda.

The number of vaccinated people who die from Covid pale in comparison to the number of unvaccinated people who die from Covid. It is fascinating how well you know the stats but then normalize infections and deaths to 0s and 1s.

 
culpepperboy 2021-09-27 22:49:06 

It is so sad when basic health measures become a political issue.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 00:12:37 

In reply to nick2020

I have no agenda. I merely state facts. You seem to want to omit the fact that natural immunity is on par if not superior to acquired immunity. Maybe that fits YOUR agenda. We can sit here and go at this all day but I ain't got the time.

cool

 
Dukes 2021-09-28 02:27:58 

In reply to DukeStreet

I have no agenda.


YES YOU DO. CREATE DOUBT IN FEEBLE MINDED UNSCIENTIFIC PEOPLE

I merely state facts.

NO YOU DO NOT.You cherry pick statements, then ascribe meaning to them.Things are taken out of context and you slip in lies from time to time.

You seem to want to omit the fact that natural immunity is on par if not superior to acquired immunity.

By casually stating a falsehood,you can get simple minded people to accept something that is false.Absolutely no evidence that getting Covid renders you p[rotected from it.Certainly not =with the Delta Variant being so rampant today.
Also if this was true, then the ENTIRE MEDICAL HIERARCHY are GUILTY OF MALFEASANCE

Like you I aint got time fuh dis no moe
I DONE
I know what I know and when it comes to Medicine IT IS A DAMN SIGHT MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.

MY LAST COMMENT ON THIS THREAD OR ABOUT COVID ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD
WHO GAT SENSE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING
THOSE WHO DO NOT WILL PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK.

 
culpepperboy 2021-09-28 03:35:48 

In reply to Dukes

WHO GAT SENSE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING
THOSE WHO DO NOT WILL PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK.

What about those of us who are half idiots? cool

 
Norm 2021-09-28 06:32:55 

In reply to culpepperboy

What about those of us who are half idiots?

We will put other people lives at risk ... smile

 
Runs 2021-09-28 11:14:55 

In reply to DukeStreet

Hope you are vaccinated my good friend nah play with this thing brother, a know you are a very bright guy. cool

 
nick2020 2021-09-28 11:30:28 

In reply to DukeStreet

I have many family member and friends, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, who have suffered from the virus.


Fascinating how you bounce between data and anecdotes.

Majority of the deaths from Covid statistically are unvaccinated people. Fact and this is not a coincidence.

This natural immunity movement is quite interesting. How far do people take this talk?

Bitten by an animal?
Step on a dirty nail?

Close down the wing of the hospitals giving shots I say! Natural Immunity will come to the rescue.

 
nick2020 2021-09-28 11:32:59 

In reply to Runs

a know you are a very bright guy.


If he is a bright guy then why is he spreading disinformation? Questionable morals?

 
Brerzerk 2021-09-28 12:50:37 

In reply to DukeStreet
Is that a serious statement? You really believe natural immunity is on par with immunity from vaccination? By the way did those naturally immunized acquire their immunity from the hordes of DEAD??

 
Fantom 2021-09-28 17:45:27 

In reply to DukeStreet

25 or 30 year old recoveree with natural immunity who has less than a 1% chance of catching and suffering from a "re-infection".

Trinidadian Dr Peter Chin-Hong (known all over as Dr PCH), Professor of Medicine, distinguished epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at University of California San Francisco (UCSF) School of Medicine, would have some disagreements with that.

How long does this acquired immunity last? Do you have any idea? Based on what research? Where published? Reputable sources only, please.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 18:40:53 

In reply to Fantom

Re-read what you just wrote. Go back and spend some time listening to the links I posted. From there, you can start formulating answers in your own head.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 18:41:29 

In reply to Brerzerk

Listen to the links and also fact-check where they came from. Come back and talk later.


BETTER YET: Hit up our resident expert, Halliwell, and ask him if natural immunity is gobblygook and should be totally debunked and thrown in the garbage can. Ask him. cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 18:43:08 

In reply to Runs

No one is playing with anything brother. These people should do like our good brother, Norm, did and study the links posted.

Also, if you notice, never once did I say folks should not be vaccinated. I am merely stating what immunologists and virologits have known for eons but again....folks seem to get upset that it's something they have never heard or somehow is disinformation or whatever.

These is absolutely no garbage in the stuff posted. Just studies done.

cool

 
Brerzerk 2021-09-28 20:17:44 

In reply to DukeStreet
Stop generalizing brother show us the comparative analysis that says vaccinated and natural immunities are a 'matchup'. Where can the real data for natural immunity be found, is it a record of recovered patients, all the positive tests who show no symptoms, those not yet tested.....

 
Runs 2021-09-28 20:27:15 

CN Sharma in ICU

 
Halliwell 2021-09-28 21:46:39 

Are we mixing narratives here by chance?
Immunity after natural infection can protect against re infection in probably more instances than the component vaccines…
But that has to do with the argument about vaccine mandates for the already infected and recovered…
Against new variants though, that becomes a lottery and depends on many factors.

Not getting vaccinated and waiting it out to take the chances of recovering and getting that natural immunity though, is just plain reckless, if there are palpably safe vaccines on the market!

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 22:17:29 

In reply to Halliwell

Immunity after natural infection can protect against re infection in probably more instances than the component vaccines…

THIS...Thank you. The warning label afterwards is real and necessary.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 22:18:26 

In reply to Brerzerk

Do your research. Enough information is out there. I'm not gonna do the work for you. Don't be a lazy West Indian.

lol

 
nick2020 2021-09-28 22:36:18 

In reply to DukeStreet

You read his last paragraph?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-28 22:41:40 

In reply to nick2020

Not getting vaccinated and waiting it out to take the chances of recovering and getting that natural immunity though, is just plain reckless, if there are palpably safe vaccines on the market!

Yes, did you? The argument is not "waiting it out to take chances". The issue is should ALREADY naturally immune folks take the vaccine and how protected are they? He pretty much answered that up front.

No need to split hairs when everything is already in front of you.

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 00:25:09 

In reply to DukeStreet

Against new variants though, that becomes a lottery and depends on many factors.


What answer did you gather from his post?

 
Halliwell 2021-09-29 05:24:01 

In reply to nick2020

I am very much in the corner of adults getting vaccinated. Don’t get me wrong. The circulating variant is delta in many places and I can’t see why we dont yet have a delta vaccine to use as a booster.
Boosting alpha with alpha in a delta world is understandably worrying to anti vaxxers but it’s the best we all have at the moment.

I haven’t seen a comparison of reinfection rates in populations where some have been vaccinated, other infected and some naïve. Will look to see if any have been published.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 08:52:48 

In reply to nick2020

Against new variants though, that becomes a lottery and depends on many factors.

What I gathered is that NO MATTER WHAT, it will always become a lottery no matter if you are vaccinated or not. You will always need a booster against a new variant. Are you saying the vaccine is the answer for everyone?

cool

 
Walco 2021-09-29 09:07:37 

In reply to DukeStreet
Your comment about new variants is interesting. Have you ever gotten a flu shot?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:07:49 

In reply to Halliwell

I am very much in the corner of adults getting vaccinated. Don’t get me wrong. The circulating variant is delta in many places and I can’t see why we dont yet have a delta vaccine to use as a booster.

Yeah, why is that? From what you are saying, it appears we would need vaccinations and boosters every 6-9 months just to stay ahead of every new variant. Even the young would need non-ending vaccines. Duke University students are 98% fully vaccinated yet the vast majority of infected students they recently tested are all fully vaccinated. Truly alarming with this outbreak. Harvard recently switched back to online classes after an outbreak. It's gonna go on and on and even if they find a "proper" vaccine with enough efficacy to handle the D-variant, there are the other variants waiting in the wings. As a professional and in your line of work, you must be asking yourself "what is the solution?"

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:09:07 

In reply to Walco

What has me getting the flu shot have to do with variants? Do tell please. LOL

 
Walco 2021-09-29 09:17:24 

In reply to Halliwell

I haven’t seen a comparison of reinfection rates in populations where some have been vaccinated, other infected and some naïve. Will look to see if any have been published.

I saw an interview with Fauci recently during which he referenced such studies. IIRC, he said that it is still unknown how long the natural immunity lasts and more studies are needed.

Fauci also said the data shows that those who were infected with covid and then got vaccinated have stronger protection against reinfection than the uninfected who were vaccinated. Again, more studies needed.

 
Walco 2021-09-29 09:28:48 

In reply to nick2020
The man from Duke street is an interesting case study. He is not an anti-vaxxer, but I do not recall one pro-vaccine post by him. He's an natural and herbal medicine kinda guy. Lots of vitamins C and D, a touch of zinc and maybe even an ivermectin booster for him smile

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with natural medicine. I take the vitamins and zinc, and I recently started using L-Arginine as well after reading some interesting articles about nitric oxide and Covid. But I am also vaccinated because even the healthiest person can still catch Covid.

 
Walco 2021-09-29 09:34:30 

In reply to DukeStreet
Answer my question and then I will explain. Have you ever had a flu shot?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:36:29 

In reply to Walco

Some of you intellectuals always flapping yuh gums about "citing sources" or "cherry picking" or "conspiracy this and that" when confronted with reputable studies but which is outside your scope of knowledge.

Anyways, Rockafeller University recently concluded a study which showed natural immunity in previously contracted C19 patients lasted for approximately 1 year and was very effective against developing variants, a much more potent response than the acquired immunity afforded by the available Covid shots.

Rockafeller University Covid Study

researchers determined that not only do recovered COVID-19 patients possess neutralizing antibodies up to a year after infection, but that such infection simultaneously assists in offering protection against developing variants.


Even more encouraging, the beloved CDC has determined that recovery-induced immunity has lasted more than 17 years in those who contracted other types of Corona viruses.

CDC Study on coronaviruses
Sooo, not sure what Fauci was running from in that interview. He should have cited the studies done and ongoing studies but as usual, he obfuscated.

cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:40:07 

In reply to Walco

He's an natural and herbal medicine kinda guy. Lots of vitamins C and D, a touch of zinc and maybe even an ivermectin booster for him

Hahahaha..you sure you not getting me mixed up with ole man Dukes?? He has bone spurs and has many plaques on his wall. I am just a lowly, humble person who occasionally takes Vit A and C but I really can't remember when last I took my vitamins.

lol lol lol

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:41:31 

In reply to Walco

I believed I might have taken a flu shot before. Can't recall. They used to juk we every chance they get, even at the University level.

Ok, explain yuhself now.

lol

 
Walco 2021-09-29 09:45:07 

In reply to DukeStreet
And while you are at it, please also answer this question posed by Halli earlier Mr. Question Dodger:

The science also shows per capita the death rate of unvaccinated people is higher than vaccinated people. So you will risk that to acquire natural immunity? Why not then get vaccinated AND get Covid?
——-
Some unvaccinated people do not survive to tell a story of natural immunity. Do you factor this in your equation?


Don’t the above statements give you pause in your theory/belief?

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 09:55:00 

In reply to DukeStreet

What I gathered is that NO MATTER WHAT, it will always become a lottery no matter if you are vaccinated or not.


It needs to be repeated because you purposely omit it - the data shows vaccinated people have a lower chance of dying than unvaccinated people.

The data also shows vaccinated people have a lower chance of becoming very ill.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 09:58:19 

In reply to Walco

There is nothing really to answer there. We all know the death rate is higher with unvaccinated people. We also know the death rate is higher for obese, health compromised and elderly folks. The death rate drops precipitously for folks not in that criteria and progressively younger individuals.

Even Halliwell would tell you he does not agree with children getting the jab at the expense of the elderly folks who need it more.

Again, the discussion on my part is with those who already have the entibodies afforded with natural immunity. I think the other argument you keep going back to has already been beaten to death. I have not seen one salient discussion in this thread or anywhere else here about the benefits afforded from natural immunity. Not one. Still waiting.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 10:01:01 

In reply to nick2020

Again, you are citing stuff not necessarily representing children or younger people but more so for the older and health-compromised folks only. You are lumping everything into one category, which is disingenuous and categorically incorrect.

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 10:10:52 

In reply to Walco

Dukestreet reminds me of people using science to justify the Bible.

Walco why is our entire existence in this predicament now? Because Covid sends a lot of people to the hospital and a large number of people have died.

How do we prevent this?

Option 1 - By keeping people outside of the range of contracting the virus
Option 2 - By medically enhancing people to be more resistant to the virus

What Dukestreet fails to recognize is option 1 is by far the best option - social distance, wear a mask and hand sanitize. If everyone did this the virus would die out.

But people do as they please.

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 10:14:56 

In reply to DukeStreet

Again, you are citing stuff not necessarily representing children or younger people but more so for the older and health-compromised folks only. You are lumping everything into one category, which is disingenuous and categorically incorrect.


In many Caribbean countries older and healthy-compromised folks represent a significant number of the population.

How do you plan to protect them?

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 10:17:09 

In reply to nick2020

Yep, and 5 years from now, 50% of the world's population will be vaccinated and 50% unvaccinated but the population would still be growing exponentially and probably at 10 B people. The beat goes on and the pharmaceutical companies will still be raking in the Big $$$ while people like you, me, Walco and others will be on here rambling on about the efficacy of this and that.

What you fail to realize is people will still be contracting viruses, whether it's Covid19, Covid25 or some other thing we don't know yet. There would be no Option 1 better than Option 2 and whatnot. In the grand scheme of things, it's all relative and irrelevant.

Hope that helps.

lol

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 10:20:36 

In reply to nick2020

In many Caribbean countries older and healthy-compromised folks represent a significant number of the population.

How do you plan to protect them.

I dunno. Goes back to a previous discussion on here....Israel has an older and health-compromised population. They are heavily vaccinated but yet are seeing a continued spike in infection numbers. What the hell is going on there? Other countries also. Quite the conundrum. How do you protect those people and our people in the Caribbean? More vaccines? Better vaccines for the ever-changing strains? You tell me.

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 11:38:21 

In reply to DukeStreet

They are heavily vaccinated but yet are seeing a continued spike in infection numbers. What the hell is going on there? Other countries also. Quite the conundrum. How do you protect those people and our people in the Caribbean? More vaccines? Better vaccines for the ever-changing strains? You tell me.


Yes.

Because again we want people to LIVE. You keep shifting to infections but we accept the vaccine is not stopping people from catching the virus.

We protect high risk people (old, comorbidities) from dying by vaccinating them.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-29 18:35:54 

In reply to nick2020

We protect high risk people (old, comorbidities) from dying by vaccinating them.

Why you yelling something at me that I agree with 100%? Did you not read where I posted the same thing you highlighted above??? LOL. Pay attention, dude. It's the young folk who probably don't really need the vaccine...at least not yet. Give the jab to the old folks. I'm saying it again cuz you seem to keep missing that.

lol

 
XFactor 2021-09-29 19:46:31 

In reply to DukeStreet

The beat goes on and the pharmaceutical companies will still be raking in the Big $$$ while people like you, me, Walco and others will be on here rambling


Yuh now saying its a racket!! lol

Will Big Pharma force a booster on us every 6 months forever and ever?

i think we will see proof of what's to happen in the coming days. The world will see a mass die off of vaccinated people, or not.

I am placing my bet on the vaccine efficacy.

 
nick2020 2021-09-29 21:13:59 

In reply to DukeStreet

Two more Barbadians lost their battle with COVID-19 this morning, while at the Harrison’s Point Isolation Facility.
The first victim is a 52-year-old man, who passed away in the primary isolation section, where he was a patient at the institution for three days. He had no chronic illnesses and was unvaccinated.
The second is an 85-year-old woman, who was in secondary isolation for 10 days. She had comorbidities and was unvaccinated.
The death toll from the virus now stands at 71.
Minister of Health and Wellness, Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Bostic, extends condolences to the bereaved. (BGIS)


So if you believe an elderly unvaccinated person with comorbidities should be vaccinated then to be on the safe side all elderly persons should be.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-30 08:50:58 

In reply to XFactor

I am placing my bet on the vaccine efficacy.


That will be a losing bet. Mark my words.

You will have better luck buying this vaccine stock: NVAX

cool

 
Wally-1 2021-09-30 11:02:34 

In reply to DukeStreet

My response is not about the UNVACCINATED. It is about studies and results from subjects who have natural immunity vs acquired immunity and legal challenges to federally mandated vaccines. Pay attention, dude.


DukeStreet, while I see that you are not advocating for

antivaxxers', do you see how your posts can confuse the

confusable?

 
XFactor 2021-09-30 14:23:40 

In reply to DukeStreet

Well, it has been a meteoric rise for Novavax but as the pandemic subsides you know what will happen.

I hope you have taken some off the table.

 
DukeStreet 2021-09-30 17:01:07 

In reply to XFactor

Yes I sure have

cool

 
Norm 2021-09-30 20:49:31 

In reply to nick2020

But people do as they please.

Americans have a constitutional right and duty to "do as they please", including being stupid, catch covid and endanger others.

 
Brerzerk 2021-09-30 21:15:38 

Natural immunity provides 27 times protection as opposed to unvaccinated without natural immunity based on the study. Did they do a comparative analysis to compare how many times more the vaccinated are protected than either of the two previous groups? Without that nothing really makes sense in terms of exception for those with natural immunity

 
johndom90 2021-09-30 23:40:53 

Well, it has been a meteoric rise for Novavax but as the pandemic subsides you know what will happen.
In reply to XFactor

the pandemic will subside as soon as Uttar Pradesh State, India , pop 204 Million shares their Covid 19 secret with the rest of the world.

Until then .....hedge away...,

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-01 04:16:42 

In reply to johndom90

cool

 
XFactor 2021-10-01 15:38:54 

In reply to johndom90 & DukeStreet

Let me make this unequivocally clear, there are no good reasons not to get vaccinated. The current vaccines we have are not perfect, but they are effective. Over time we will discover new and more effective treatments for Covid.

Uttar Pradesh State has a very low positivity rate despite a high-density population. They have been administering Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic med made by Merk. WHO and others say there is not enough data despite millions of administered doses with excellent results.

Some label Ivermectin as “The drug that cracked covid”. It’s over! Covid is OVER!!

Now put all yuh money down on Merk, until the next big thing comes along!lol

 
Halliwell 2021-10-01 16:01:55 

In reply to XFactor

Ivermectin is withdrawn from animals well before slaughter date…why?
Ivermectin is not allowed in lactating cows and goats where the milk is meant for human consumption…why?
To avoid it getting into humans in uncontrolled amounts!

Funny how nobody asking about “more research on the effects short, medium and long term, of ivermectin in humans”
Don’t want to get vaccinated every 8 months but happy to drink Ivomec weekly!!!

Upside down world lol big grin lol

 
johndom90 2021-10-01 18:05:15 

In reply to Halliwell

I try to stay out of this back and forth...some of us are busy in the actual 'pandemic' cool

.....while people argue foolishness all day...follow the money is the key to wisdom and to figure out policy and practice.

Merk is not making a dime from Ivermectin ...nobody making billions from it because its generic...it costs pennies

Pfizer is busy tweaking something, from what Im hearing , is eerily similar to Ivermectin but will cost an arm and a leg.....follow the $

Remdesvir is approved for treatment ....3000$ a course, good profit ....its a total dud , organ damage , side effect - many reports attest,,,,,but .....it is still standard prescription.


You purposely glossed over the outstanding results achieved by Uttar Pradesh compared to other Indian States .

They have certainly achieved greater success than Israel, Singapore, Iceland , Gibraltar ( small highly vacc population). England has basically given up - their data is shocking

We all expected Africa to be razed by Covid .....Equatorial Africa survived ....I wonder why? I wonder what secondary benefit was had from using that bad word drug........

Nothing is wrong with having a properly developed vaccine but same goes for having effective pre emptive treatment. The risk with that is that it may pre empt the need for a vaccine , cutting anticipated Billion Dollar profits. Health care is less about who has spent years/decades being a specialist practitioner....it is about the cost and profit flows as determined by the pharma industrial complex CEOs.

I will question any doctor who looks at a dying patient on a bed and instead of using some initiative.... chooses to wait for and meekly follow instructions.

I gone ...I done....this may be .....my last word on Covid ....... lol

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-01 18:16:08 

In reply to johndom90

Pfizer is busy tweaking something, from what Im hearing , is eerily similar to Ivermectin but will cost an arm and a leg.....follow the $

Yes, yep, and yep. I was hoping they were gonna bring up Ivermectin. I am well aware of what's going on in India and other places around the world in regards to the use of Ivermectin.
Funny how Pfizer is coming up with this new drug and from what we are all hearing, it's a derivative from Ivermectin. Just laff, bruh.

I'm sure Mr. Halliwell and XFactor really don't want to look at the numbers from all the districts in India concerning the use of Ivermectin. Truly mind-boggling stats. India was reeling from 4000+ deaths daily just as little as 4 months ago. What now? Not a peep from local news sources.

I really wish I had more time to debate this and that with Covid but most on this thread are very intelligent people. Everything is at their fingertips and disposal.

cool

 
johndom90 2021-10-01 18:25:41 

reeling from 4000+ deaths daily just as little as 4 months ago. What now? Not a peep from local news sources.
In reply to DukeStreet


Not a peep from western media is correct....

I was mortified by the nightly news out of India , the grief/sorrow, a nation being humbled.

Then ...the news stopped coming , just like that.

We bash India on this site with the cricket talk an all, but this is beyond the boundary stuff.

I took a deep dive into various Indian media , etc which made me realize why western media cut off the news feed from India .

They would have had to explain what caused the death rate to plummet....why are Indians not dying like before?

Simple research and analysis..with out all the technical mumbo jumbo.

 
nick2020 2021-10-01 21:03:07 

In reply to DukeStreet

India recorded the 4th highest deaths from Covid today. I do not understand your point.

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-01 22:09:42 

In reply to nick2020

Not sure where you're getting your stats from.

Total new deaths today = 233
Yesterday = 282
2 days ago = 309

See the drop???!!!

far cry from the thousands of new deaths/day back in April - May and the sharp decline daily of new deaths up to present.
India's daily Covid numbers

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-01 22:13:07 

In reply to Halliwell

Ima do you a favor. If Ivermectin is so bad is a a devil horse de-wormer drug, how come it's been tested by big pharma for use against Covid?
Ivermectin study kicks off

cool

 
johndom90 2021-10-01 22:43:58 

In reply to nick2020

I'll have a go at this....

India is called a subcontinent...

Population 1.38Billion

US population 325 million

Brazil 216 million.

If the death rate is comparatively high , the above stats will contribute...

Another variable is that the rest of India's states are slowly...very slowly coming around to UP way of doing things, but , the logistics are enormous with a country that size. Local politics also involved..who looks good ...who looks less than good.

Another big impediment to UP's practice being used in the rest of India is.....the WHO itself....the Indian Bar association is taking the WHO to Court in India RTo the not to be mentioned drug...see below.

Link Text

 
nick2020 2021-10-01 22:45:43 

In reply to johndom90

True per capita they are doing very well.

 
nick2020 2021-10-01 22:48:13 

In reply to DukeStreet

If Ivermectin is so bad is a a devil horse de-wormer drug, how come it's been tested by big pharma for use against Covid?


Shouldn't we wait until the results of the study?

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-01 22:56:10 

In reply to nick2020

I mean...we can wait but if you recall, it was deemed the "devil horse de-wormer drug". So, shouldn't you be asking why are they even considering using this devil drug in a clinical trial?

More on the Indian case against the WHO

 
johndom90 2021-10-02 04:14:22 

In reply to XFactor

In reply to Halliwell

I try to stay out of this back and forth...some of us are busy in the actual 'pandemic' cool

.....while people argue foolishness all day...follow the money is the key to wisdom and to figure out policy and practice.



My original response was directed at your glossing over UP's intensive , ground breaking work in covering one of the most , if not the most densely populated Indian state......sleepy eyes here .

Mr Halliwell was erroneously highlighted...... cool

 
nick2020 2021-10-02 10:20:04 

In reply to DukeStreet

Well I am not a scientist but

1. Where is the control in that study?
2. Ivermectin treats parasites. Why would it work for a virus?

According to the FDA website:

When Can Taking Ivermectin Be Unsafe?
The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 in people or animals. Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications.


But are you throwing your support behind Ivermectin or are you just anything but vaccine? Because if this does study not pan out you may just move on to the next thing. The Covid vaccines have actual studies. And millions of guinea pigs.

Ultimately I am for anything that will work. I hope Merck is on to something.

 
Walco 2021-10-02 14:44:05 

In reply to nick2020

IVERMECTIN Side Effects by Likelihood and Severity

COMMON side effects

If experienced, these tend to have a Less Severe expression

Itching
Joint Pain
Fever
A Skin Rash
Swollen Lymph Nodes
Fast Heartbeat

INFREQUENT side effects

If experienced, these tend to have a Severe expression

Corneal Opacity, A Scarring Disorder That Results In Clouding Of The Cornea Of The Eye
Pink Eye
Accumulation Of Fluid In The Tissues Of The Eyelid
Inflammation Of The Corneal Edge Of The Eye
If experienced, these tend to have a Less Severe expression i
Dizziness
Fluid Retention In The Legs, Feet, Arms Or Hands
Puffy Face From Water Retention
Headache
Nausea
Diarrhea

RARE side effects

If experienced, these tend to have a Severe expression

Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
Increased Eosinophils In The Blood
Hemorrhage From The Conjunctiva Of The Eye
Low Blood Pressure
Worsening Asthma
Inflammation Of The Liver Called Hepatitis
A Skin Disorder With Blistering And Peeling Skin Called Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis
A Skin Disorder With Blistering And Peeling Skin Called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome
Seizures
High Amount Of Bilirubin In The Blood
Abnormal Liver Function Tests
Mazzotti Reaction, A Reaction Resulting From The Treatment Of A Parasite Infection

If experienced, these tend to have a Less Severe expression

Orthostatic Hypotension, A Form Of Low Blood Pressure
Constipation
Hives
Muscle Pain
Drowsiness
Sensation Of Spinning Or Whirling
Low Energy
Muscle Tremors
Decreased Appetite
Vomiting
Intense Abdominal Pain

 
Halliwell 2021-10-02 17:59:00 

I dont understand the Gotcha posts lol

Don’t use a fairly well understood vaccine,
But use ridiculous doses of Livestock tick and worm medicine
Then claim it safe because they now start testing it

Upside down worldies lol

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-02 21:19:34 

In reply to Halliwell

Hahahahahaha....I just love the responses about Ivermectin. The FDA says this and that and here are the side effects...trust me, I said the same things also.

The bottom line is that they are using Ivermectin to test responses to Covid. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

I am not a doctor but the numbers and news about what they are doing is real.

cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-02 21:25:03 

In reply to Walco

Yeah, seen it all before. Just about every single medicine has a long ass laundry list of side effects. What is the point of cherry picking those stats? To impress or scare me? Or maybe its to make you feel better? Try again. They are using it, my friend, to do just what I listed. Don't believe me, call the hotline listed and find out.

Don't be surprised if Pfizer doesn't call it Pfizermectin soon enough. They just need to synthesize it enough to make enough profit from it than in its current state, which is pennies in comparison to what they will make from it. Wake up, you too big, hardback and old to not know this. LOL.

cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-02 21:27:32 

In reply to nick2020
I am just spitting facts of what's going on. No support either way. We all know of the pros of the vaccine. Allyuh know the pros of anything else? Maybe you don't care to know or are just plain scared. Grow up, man. Geezus. LOL

 
nick2020 2021-10-03 06:48:11 

In reply to DukeStreet

Ivermectin is factually in a study.
But you are inferring it is there because it could be beneficial. You do not know why it is there.

 
johndom90 2021-10-04 02:42:12 

In reply to Walco

Side Effects by Likelihood and Severity


If you want to see side effects , check out the CDCs own 'Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System'/... on Vax performance

A site that historically has under reported data- doctors /patients could not be bothered to report most adverse

.....estimated to be usually 80% under reported - take that to market!

 
Walco 2021-10-04 11:21:16 

In reply to DukeStreet
What happened man? Why yuh getting so sour all of a sudden? Word to the wise. Don't take anything I say on here personally because it is not meant to be.

And that post of the side effects was not meant for you. I had never looked up the side effects of Ivermectin before and decided to post them here for those who might not know of them.

 
Walco 2021-10-04 11:26:16 

In reply to nick2020
The reason for the Ivermectin studies is no secret. Fauci said recently that the studies became a necessity because right wing media talking heads (my words, not his) are pushing ivermectin as a miracle prevention/cure and lots of Americans have started taking ivermectin. In other words, these studies became necessary for public health reasons.

 
Walco 2021-10-04 11:41:46 

In reply to johndom90
We all know of the side effects of the vaccines boss. Anti-vaxxers repeat them ad nauseum.

But what that list of ivermectin side effects suggests is that it is a medicine that should only be taken under the supervision of a medical doctor or as part of a scientific study. I would venture a guess that there is much more data documenting the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines against covid than data relating to the safety and effectiveness of ivermectin. Yet some people blindly take ivermectin and denounce the vaccines.

I saw a news story recently about someone who experienced kidney and liver failure and died after taking too much ivermectin. Ivermectin is not a dietary supplement like Vitamin C.

 
johndom90 2021-10-04 13:47:47 

In reply to Walco

Did you at any time look at Uttar Pradesh , performance using Ivermectin?

A live project involving 204 million population...or...is it because they r Indians it dont count?

A medically supervised programme was instituted and has achieved remarkable irrefutable success. A success story which if duplicated elsewhere willl more than likely yield similar results.

I keep saying...health care is all about the money. Full double stop!

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-04 21:42:41 

In reply to Walco

Me? Sour? nah. Never. I am just like you. Nothing gets me rattled on here. We are just here to discuss things.

BTW, pull up a chair, grab some El Dorado and check this out..interesting read.
India's Ivermectin Blackout Secret revealed

With only 5% of Uttar Pradesh's 230 million people vaccinated, early treatment home kits wiped out an outbreak of C-19, dropping cases by 99% within 3 weeks.

The kits contained..Tylenol, VitC, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vit D3, Ivermectin 12 mg, Doxycycline 100mg.

Apparently the home kits cost less than $3 per person and brought the number of active cases from a high of 300,000+ active cases to below 200 total.

 
nick2020 2021-10-04 23:39:54 

In reply to DukeStreet

So elderly people with comorbidities should just take this home kit.

 
johndom90 2021-10-05 01:47:04 

I asked John to 'describe' what UP has done/achieved

Link Text

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DukeStreet 2021-10-05 03:00:00 

In reply to nick2020
I am not saying anything nor am I drawing any conclusions.

Just merely sharing info that most never hear about.

What they do with this is totally up to the experts.

 
XFactor 2021-10-05 13:08:39 

In reply to nick2020

So elderly people with comorbidities should just take this home kit.



They should be taking a cocktail of Ivermectin and Doxycycline, and gargle with Clorox for good measure.

One can never be too careful when it comes to their health.

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-05 16:52:12 

In reply to XFactor

Hahahahaha.. Good one. Should they use a cup of clorox or a gallon?

lol

 
Walco 2021-10-06 13:27:27 

In reply to DukeStreet and johndom90

Is Zero Hedge a Russian Trojan Horse?

Don't direct me to articles published by entities like Zero Hedge if you want my serious attention. Out of an abundance of caution I would have to fact check everything I read on that site.

 
Halliwell 2021-10-06 14:06:17 

In reply to Walco

Link Text

The truth about Ivermectin’s mechanism of action is probably in one or more of the few sub points of the 4 proposed mechanisms.
The article was retracted.

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-06 15:16:11 

In reply to Walco

What's your agenda, boss? LOL.

Just as there are allegations that Zero Hedge may be a Russian Trojan Horse, there are countless allegations of similar malfeasance against the CDC, WHO, Fauci, etc, etc. For all sorts of fuckery. Again, I repeat, you are too much of a big man to get caught up in so much conspiratorial bs.

You don't see me on here braying about what these big organizations are trying to pull over your eyes.

The numbers speak for themselves, regardless if Zero Hedge or any other outlet is pushing the story. I think it would benefit you more if you try to disprove the numbers as opposed to attacking the messenger.

I challenge you to disprove the numbers. Until then, I don't know what to tell you.
cool

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-06 15:17:35 

In reply to Halliwell
Yeah, article retracted but pharma moving at light speed to incorporate Ivermectin with other medicines in trials and tests. Gotcha.

cool

 
jacksparrow 2021-10-06 15:43:11 

What are the medical exemptions would an individual have for avoiding covid vaccine and get a doctor to attest?

 
nick2020 2021-10-06 16:13:43 

In reply to DukeStreet

Yeah, article retracted but pharma moving at light speed to incorporate Ivermectin with other medicines in trials and tests. Gotcha.


Be careful you don't lose yourself trying to be the best troll you can be.

 
VIX 2021-10-06 17:44:04 

according to the feeds, a child in Guyana died after receiving his 2nd Pfizer vaccine. Brain hemorrhage. Anyone has info on this?

 
Walco 2021-10-06 19:30:19 

In reply to DukeStreet
I have no agenda, but I prefer to get my news from sources that do not have long lines of discredited "news" articles in tow. I have no idea what is going on in India in terms of Covid infections and ivermectin, but I sure as hell would not take anything published by Zero Hedge as gospel. Point me to a more reliable source if you wish ... actually, never mind smile

 
Walco 2021-10-06 19:33:00 

In reply to DukeStreet

Yeah, article retracted but pharma moving at light speed to incorporate Ivermectin with other medicines in trials and tests.

I hope this statement is not based on something you read in Zero Hedge cool

 
Walco 2021-10-06 19:41:10 

In reply to Halliwell
Article retracted by whom? The authors?

 
Narper 2021-10-06 20:11:48 

In reply to VIX

An autopsy performed on the 13-year-old Moruca boy who died hours after he was administered the second dose of the COVID-19 Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, gave his cause of death as haemorrhaging in the brain.

The findings were last night related to this newspaper by the boy’s aunt, Thalica Peters.

Health Minister Dr Frank Anthony when contacted last night said that he could not comment on the findings as he was awaiting the official report.


link

 
Halliwell 2021-10-06 20:36:22 

In reply to Walco

The authors objected- obviously
Retracted by the head of the Editorial board

 
Brerzerk 2021-10-06 21:04:06 

In reply to Narper
was the haemorrhaging triggered by the vaccine? Was that due to an allergic reaction, is it based on some rare pathology of the individual child, was it due to something else that may have occurred whether vaccinated or not? Until all those questions are answered no one should use that unfortunate death as evidence of harm from vaccine.

 
Walco 2021-10-06 21:55:33 

In reply to Halliwell
On behalf of the anti-vax posse, Bill Gates, Dr. Fauci and the CDC, operating in furtherance of the interests of the globalist big pharma cabal, exerted undue influence to coerce the head of the editorial board to retract that article. Yuh see ... the tentacles of the globalist cabal are everywhere. Now I will watch Season 8 of "Blacklist" on Netflix smile

Back to the topic at hand. Did the head of the editorial board give a reason for retracting the article?

 
Walco 2021-10-06 21:57:03 

In reply to VIX
That's very unfortunate. I hope for the sake of the parents that the vaccine was not the cause of death.

 
Narper 2021-10-07 00:17:55 

In reply to Walco

“The findings indicate a pre-existing condition that led to the death of the 13-year-old. The pre-existing condition identified was a cerebral aneurysm,” the Health Ministry said.

link

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-08 08:25:57 

In reply to Walco

I am tired of pointing to articles. Zero Hedge is just a messenger. They did not champion the study they mentioned.

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-08 08:38:49 

In reply to Narper

The "pre-existing or NO pre-existing condition" thing is a tad overrated. Emmy Award winner, Marc Pilcher, of the Bridgerton series, died last week from Covid complications. He was healthy as a horse and had NO pre-existing conditions. Not saying one if greater than the other but highlighting one over the other seems a bit disingenuous, wouldn't you agree?
cool

 
Halliwell 2021-10-08 13:51:46 

In reply to Walco

Brother,
The Blacklist is the single greatest series ever made on television in this world and on Mars. Season starts again Oct 16th. cool
Red will be vex bad bad and I guess so will Mr 2-leaf clover Ressler lol

 
Walco 2021-10-09 13:05:09 

In reply to Halliwell
lol lol lol My favorite characters are Dembe and Mojhtabai (spelling?). The two leaf clover should learn that it is not a good idea to bury a dead body at a future construction site!!!

 
Halliwell 2021-10-10 20:16:47 

In reply to Walco

Yes the Dembe character development storylines are class.
You know that Aram was just an extra and just went with some flair on ONE line at the end of an episode and they started giving him more and more till he became a regular?
big grin

 
Walco 2021-10-11 16:59:11 

In reply to Halliwell
From extra to loverboy?? Aram is a boss smile

I love the show Blacklist, but I think it is partially responsible for some of these crazy covid conspiracy theories that we are dealing with nowadays. Some of us watch Blacklist and believe we are watching fiction, while others believe they are watching a documentary smile

 
Halliwell 2021-10-11 18:15:42 

In reply to Walco

Don’t shame
Call name big grin

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-12 20:47:43 

In reply to Walco

Since you don't trust Zero Hedge, maybe you have a lil more trust in NIH. LOL.

Ivermectin: an award winning drug with expected anti-viral activity against Covid-19

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).


cool

 
Halliwell 2021-10-13 11:35:26 

In reply to DukeStreet

This was an important piece of the article you just posted

Despite the fact that ivermectin has been shown to be effective in vitro against Sars-Cov-2, it is possible that the necessary inhibitory concentration may only be achieved via high dosage regimes in humans. The enthusiasm surrounding ivermectin use is restrained by a lack of appropriate formulations capable of providing improved pharmacokinetics and drug delivery targeting mechanisms.

Although patients could be treated using systemic therapy, high-dose antiviral therapy could lead to severe adverse effects.

Regardless, no commercially available injectable forms of ivermectin are available for human use.

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-13 16:38:10 

In reply to Halliwell

Despite the warnings, properly administered Ivermectin has proven effective in all the controlled trials and formulations. You gotta admit, the benefits outweigh the risks however way you look at it.

Let's just hope they can formulate a commercially available option along with the current vaccine options available.

 
Halliwell 2021-10-13 17:05:48 

In reply to DukeStreet

Show me some ‘properly administered’ ivermectin controlled trails and formulations please?

You can’t take it orally properly

 
DukeStreet 2021-10-13 18:34:37 

In reply to Halliwell

There are other studies, of course, but here's one that shows how Ivermectin reduced the risk of infection by up to 74%.

271 health care workers received orally 0.2mg/kg of Ivermectin once weekly for 28 days, while another 271 workers were assigned to another control group (no Ivermectin). At the end of the study, the study concluded that Ivermectin reduced the risk of Covid infection by 74%.


Taking it "properly" is all relative. They (CDC vs FDA) can't even figure if a Moderna booster is needed at this moment. There are no "proper" procedures at this moment. Just processes that work better than others until they can come up with a scientifically sound method(s) to effectively administer a set of drugs to combat this virus.

 
Halliwell 2021-10-13 20:22:16 

In reply to DukeStreet

Cureus published that article.
That’s the first issue. But I don’t want to go down that road tonight.

 
Fantom 2021-11-01 09:34:32 

In reply to DukeStreet

So,

1. Are you vaccinated or not?

2. What is natural immunity? Please define.

3. How long does this natural immunity last?

Thanks for taking my questions.

 
DukeStreet 2021-11-02 12:33:50 

In reply to Fantom

So,
I've already covered all the topics you wanted to know about in your questions. Go back and read the posts on it.

It's gonna take me as much time to re-explain what I already posted as it will take you time to go do ur research.

cool