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Remember Yorkshire's situation, re: racism?

 
Tryangle 2021-10-28 13:54:00 

A statement that tells the public pretty much nothing...

The saga meanders on.

 
mikesiva 2021-10-28 13:56:08 

In reply to Tryangle

No surprise there.

 
Tryangle 2021-10-28 15:12:27 

Azeem Rafiq also remains unimpressed:

A question for @YorkshireCCC members

Are you happy with being associated to a racist club?

Thanks to everyone supporting me - it keeps me going on some very dark days

 
Tryangle 2021-11-01 12:37:01 

Untidy.

At least one Yorkshire player admitted to regularly using the term 'P**i' when talking to Azeem Rafiq, according to the report into racism at the club. But he was cleared of wrongdoing on the basis that it was perceived as, what the report says was, friendly, good-natured "banter" between the two players.


BANTER? The hell?

Screw Yorkshire CC.

Looking forward to ECB growing a pair and laying the lumber on Yorkshire's nonsense.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-01 12:38:19 

In reply to Tryangle

no surprise there....totally ridiculous though

 
mikesiva 2021-11-01 13:10:45 

In reply to Tryangle

Michael Vaughan doesn't seem to have much to say about this.

Curious that.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-01 16:02:42 

Wish the T20 TV/Internet commentators would take a moment to discuss that as part of a "in related cricket news" bit, draw some attention to things.

 
oldcar 2021-11-01 16:05:54 

Mo and rashid feel they are kings while their brother is being treated further like crap

 
SnoopDog 2021-11-01 16:08:35 

In reply to Tryangle

Wish the T20 TV/Internet commentators would take a moment to discuss that as part of a "in related cricket news" bit, draw some attention to things.


Holding was the only one who really cared to discuss these issues when on-air. The rest could care less.

 
Maispwi 2021-11-01 16:12:49 

Where is the level of outrage dat was shown for someone choosing not to tek a knee?

As Sparrow said We like it so

 
Tryangle 2021-11-01 16:57:59 

In reply to Maispwi

Brilliant.

 
Overthrow 2021-11-01 17:10:19 

As mentioned on another thread “outrage of convenience “.

 
armchair 2021-11-01 17:21:50 

It is a disgraceful report. They have confirmed that the person was repeated called a "Paki" even though it clearly upset him and this term is used in a derogatory fashion. This was waved off but they accuse him of racism by using the term "Zimbo" for a player from Zimbabwe much as the terms Aussie or Kiwi are used. Honestly I have never heard the term Zimbo before, but they can determine that this was racist but Paki was not.

This is why there is a push to visibly demonstrate actions against racism and other forms of discrimination. For those so adamant against taking the knee or whatever action is adopted, I don't hear the alternative except pretending these things are not happening or ignoring them. We have seen how these actions lead to persons being persecuted or disadvantaged. While taking a knee doesn't automatically change that it does force everyone to reflect exactly why this action is deemed necessary and being taken.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-02 13:08:05 

The Guardian weighs in:

It is also true the panel may not have found sufficient evidence to conclude that Yorkshire are institutionally racist. But frankly, to me, to draw any other conclusion is not simply a refutation of the available evidence but a form of moral cowardice.


This is a good example of how the struggle against racism is part of a broader fight against entitlement and entrenched privilege, be it through status or wealth or gender or connections. The point being: all this goes far deeper than simple acts of racist abuse, what words we deem acceptable or not or the futures of individuals. This is about how institutions protect themselves and resist change, about where power lies in our game and how it replicates.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-03 16:21:00 

They're starting to lose sponsors. Yesterday it was one of their kit sponsors (Anchor), today the company that has stadium naming rights (Emerald Publishing).

Yorkshire CC, deservedly under the gun now.

 
Overthrow 2021-11-03 17:08:23 

A financial boycott is the only action of any substance.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-03 17:19:13 

Daily Mail is revealing that Gary Ballance is the guy (as rumoured by others) on the other end of this saga

 
mikesiva 2021-11-04 10:12:44 

In reply to Tryangle

Never liked Ballance...now I see why.
confused

 
Tryangle 2021-11-04 12:20:09 

Whatever the situation is with regard to the player, let's not lose sight of the fact that Yorkshire is under the gun.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Yorkshire go on the offensive and go with the "they're best buds" angle and suggest they had nothing to do with tolerating it for so long.

Ballance may get the knives in his direction right now but Yorkshire enabled it all.

 
doosra 2021-11-04 12:21:41 

In reply to Tryangle

sorry I didn't see your post re Balance

 
Tryangle 2021-11-04 12:24:02 

In reply to doosra

No worries - we can have separate threads, one for Ballance being nasty and one for Yorkshire enabling the behaviour big grin

 
Tryangle 2021-11-04 18:35:27 

The ECB weighs in.

In the meantime, YCCC are suspended from hosting international or major matches until it has clearly demonstrated that it can meet the standards expected of an international venue, ECB member and First Class County.


Also:

Before any regulatory investigation is complete, the Board wishes to take immediate action in relation to Gary Ballance. While Mr Ballance has not been selected to play for England since 2017, he will be suspended indefinitely from selection. This position will be reviewed following the ECB regulatory investigation into his conduct.


In the wake of the Ollie Robinson situation it was pretty clear that ECB would take this line.

 
mikesiva 2021-11-04 19:52:53 

In reply to Tryangle

Throw the book at Yorkshire!
evil

 
doosra 2021-11-04 19:58:16 

In reply to Tryangle

Enjoyed listening to Nasser and Athers today

Nasser says ECB needs to step in

 
doosra 2021-11-04 20:01:13 

In reply to Tryangle

barred from hosting internationals

they should basically end up with no Balance (pun and no pun intended at the same time)
until the acknowledge this first of all, and take steps to fix whatever is fixable

 
Tryangle 2021-11-05 12:36:11 

Michael Vaughan gets implicated, immediately denies.

Yorkshire's chairman has resigned.

Nike has pulled their sponsorship.

It's all happening.

 
WICFan 2021-11-05 13:58:42 

Between 1968 and 1992 Yorkshire wouldn't sign anyone born outside the County boundaries, I think Tendulkar was their first Asian player and that was until the 2000's despite Yorkshire having a relatively considerable Asian/ethnic minority population.

 
Overthrow 2021-11-05 14:04:46 

Once the team starts taking a knee the world will be in harmony once again.

 
armchair 2021-11-05 15:24:52 

In reply to WICFan

Speaking subject to correction but thought Richie Richardson might have been the first non Yorkshireman signed

 
WICFan 2021-11-05 18:46:34 

In reply to armchair

Tendulkar signed in 1992, Richardson signed in 1993.

 
mikesiva 2021-11-05 19:21:14 

In reply to Tryangle

Vaughan told Rafiq there's too many of "you lot" at Yorkshire, and that something needs to be done about it. Corroborated by Rana, who heard the remark.

Damn racist!
evil
Ramprakash was scathing in his criticism of Yorkshire on BBC Breakfast yesterday.

 
armchair 2021-11-05 19:38:20 

In reply to WICFan
I am corrected

 
trev114 2021-11-05 20:21:23 

Yorkshire were stripped of their right to host international cricket by the ECB on Thursday in light of their botched response to Azeem Rafiq's allegations of racism.

 
Khaga 2021-11-05 21:52:15 

Fo(yo)rkshire!!

 
Priapus 2021-11-05 23:27:12 

Anyone heard from Boycott yet?

 
Alan 2021-11-06 03:32:06 

In reply to armchair
Whats wrong with terms Aussie or Kiwi.?...do not be a jackass.The "N" word and "Paki" is far worse abuse of people of the of African or Afro Caribbean descent and those from the Indian subcontinent.

 
Alan 2021-11-06 03:42:27 

In reply to Priapus
Boycott is staying hiding beneath the bed covers.Boycott was very upset when West Indian cricketers like Ambrose and Richards got the "Sir" title from the Queen before him.A pathetic funny little man he eventually got the title because ex PM Theresa May a Boycott cricket fan recommended him before she left office.Boycott's original comment when overlooked was..."I guess I need to blacken up me face to get the "Sir"!.He lost his temper on radio commentary.He later apologised for losing his temper on radio commentary.Ah yes...good oldfashioned white Yorkshire folks...a hot bed of racism and old British Empire bigotry.They never change.It never occured to Boycott he got overlooked originally because he got a conviction for violence in France for beating up a lady friend.Did you Geoffrey.
big grin

 
mikesiva 2021-11-06 08:09:39 

In reply to trev114

A second as yet unnamed cricketer has come out and said he suffered regular racist abuse at Yorkshire.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-08 18:16:26 

Moeen Ali speaks up

Moeen believes Rafiq’s bravery in raising his concerns about racism will see many others come forward, saying “sometimes you need to have a bit of a dip to really come out”.

“I wouldn't say I'm surprised but there's probably more stories out there that people haven't heard of,” said Moeen, from England’s Dubai base ahead of Wednesday’s T20 World Cup semi-final against New Zealand.

 
mikesiva 2021-11-08 22:17:35 

In reply to Tryangle

The new chairman of Yorkshire is Lord Patel.

He's apologised to Rafiq, and agreed a financial settlement with him.

Rafiq was a brave man for what he did. Well done!

 
mikesiva 2021-11-12 06:41:13 

Joe Root, who's from Yorkshire, claims he didn't see any racism at Yorkshire.
rolleyes

 
defeyeant 2021-11-12 14:56:01 

In reply to mikesiva

alot of white folk never do

 
mikesiva 2021-11-15 10:07:53 

In reply to defeyeant

Adil Rashid has confirmed he heard Michael Vaughan question the number of players of Asian heritage in the Yorkshire side during an incident in 2009.

In a statement released to ESPNcricinfo Rashid not only confirmed Azeem Rafiq's recollections of the incident, but pledged to participate in any official investigation aimed at stamping out what he called the "cancer" of racism.

More here

 
Halliwell 2021-11-16 08:28:11 

In reply to mikesiva

The world’s biggest enemy of LGBTQ discrimination didn’t hear racist discrimination. …ever…promise lol
Sir Root defends the establishment

 
mikesiva 2021-11-16 08:47:28 

In reply to Halliwell

You seet too!
lol
Rafiq speaks to a parliamentary committee today.

Racist abuse of Maurice Chambers at Essex

He threw a banana and said: 'Climb for it, you f***ing monkey'

 
Tryangle 2021-11-16 13:23:54 

In reply to Halliwell

I think defeyeant said it best. Many of that particular hue are totally oblivious.

---

A thread of what transpired today (Nov 16)

Poignant in the Root discussion:

Green acknowledges that Rafiq wants to talk about institutions not individuals, but brings up Joe Root's statement.

Rafiq: "It shows how normal [racism] was that even a good man like Joe doesn't remember it and wasn't affected by it."




But I encourage all to read through the entire twitter thread.

 
mikesiva 2021-11-16 13:44:14 

In reply to Tryangle

I just read through the Twitter thread...powerful!

For many of us who live in the UK, this will come as no surprise, however.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-16 18:33:18 

Tim Bresnan implicated.

Warwickshire CC speedily get their ducks in a row

 
mikesiva 2021-11-17 08:39:23 

In reply to Tryangle

Bresnan's "apology"

It's good to see it all coming out now...we all knew it was like this.

 
DIEHARD 2021-11-17 11:51:13 

In reply to Tryangle

This whole thing is amusing to me....Like ...Yorkshire is racist?

In other news..water is wet

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 12:56:52 

In reply to DIEHARD

lol lol lol lol

 
Tryangle 2021-11-17 13:35:56 

In reply to DIEHARD

And so on...

Once wrote a piece about way in which young Asian cricketers in Yorkshire were routinely discriminated against by a system rigged against them. When I contacted YCCC they said that all the instances I had were historic and it would never happen again. Piece was published in 1990.


Too bad we can't post graphics because that Khaby Lame meme would be more than appropriate.

 
mikesiva 2021-11-18 08:13:13 

In reply to DIEHARD

Indeed!
smile
But what is amazing is how so many English peeps I speak to deny that Yorkshire is racist....

Tino Best has his say about Yorkshire

 
Tryangle 2021-11-18 14:04:22 

Ebony Rainford-Brent shows 'fan-mail'...

This is the outward stuff that's easy to showcase. The inner, more "subtle" stuff, that's what people are digging up.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-18 16:47:43 

Uh oh.

Azeem Rafiq has apologised and said he is "deeply ashamed" for using anti-Semitic language in messages from 2011.


Watch this now get used as a way of shutting down the Yorkshire deal.

Two wrongs definitely don't make a right, and the cockroaches still are scurrying.

 
Maispwi 2021-11-18 20:06:20 

In reply to Tryangle

It just shows dat things are never quite black or white. There are many shades of grey and we all have our own prejudices

 
powen001 2021-11-18 20:26:19 

In reply to Maispwi

Where is the level of outrage dat was shown for someone choosing not to tek a knee?


I unfortunately heard to Brit comms on the radio feed of the FINAL bring it up and then made all sorts of excuses for him and had the gumption to say that its all settled now.

 
Tryangle 2021-11-18 20:40:47 

In reply to Maispwi

Absolutely.
Doesn't matter that Rafiq has/had his own character flaws, everybody and every institution needs to look within themselves and work on bettering things.

 
DIEHARD 2021-11-19 09:26:34 

In reply to Tryangle

that Khaby Lame meme would be more than appropriate.
lol lol lol lol

 
doosra 2021-11-19 12:50:33 

it looks like the tabloids / fox want to drag him

 
Tryangle 2021-11-19 13:30:00 

In reply to doosra

Well it's certainly red meat for the Rupert Murdoch brand of folks, I'd bet.

Is it disappointing? Absolutely. But as far as I'm concerned it doesn't diminish what happened to him, and more importantly how Yorkshire and other groups tolerate/encourage such activities over the years.

 
CricSham 2021-11-20 02:57:49 

In reply to Tryangle
Rafik’s transgression is merely a slip of the tongue. After all our Muslim friends just love and admire their Jewish neighbors. rolleyes