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Another study confirms what we already know...
Ninetenjack
2021-10-29 22:15:59
There is no difference between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated in their ability to transmit Covid...
Background
The SARS-CoV-2 delta (B.1.617.2) variant is highly transmissible and spreading globally, including in populations with high vaccination rates. We aimed to investigate transmission and viral load kinetics in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with mild delta variant infection in the community.
Interpretation
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Hostvirus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
This rubbishes the whole concept of vax passports and vax mandates.
Brerzerk
2021-10-29 23:40:00
In reply to Ninetenjack
Operative term 'BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION' Are more unvaccinated people carrying the virus than vaccinated ppl? Since it is reasonable to believe that YOU DO understand what you read you are a seriously irresponsible person.
Ninetenjack
2021-10-29 23:48:57
In reply to Brerzerk
Operative term 'BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION' Are more unvaccinated people carrying the virus than vaccinated ppl?
This is a study that proves that fully vax can transmit Covid in the same way as non-vax.....period. So the whole concept that non-vax people are a danger is absolutely crap.
Not sure what you don't understand....
SnoopDog
2021-10-30 00:22:55
In reply to Ninetenjackass
Do you understand what he asked you jackass?
Despite what that study concluded, the Ontario daily and weekly numbers clearly show that the unvaccinated dumbasses like yourself are transmitting the virus at a greater and higher rate than fully vaccinated people.
camos
2021-10-30 00:25:57
SnoopDog
2021-10-30 01:21:37
In reply to camos
Thankfully these mal-educated cretins like Ninetenjackass are in the minority here in Ontario.
The vast majority of the population here are fully vaccinated and are not opposed to public health measures implemented to curb the spread of this virus.
StumpCam
2021-10-30 12:46:16
In reply to Ninetenjack
What about the vaccinated versus non-vaccinated dying from Covid-19??? Any study on that???
Ninetenjack
2021-10-30 13:08:21
In reply to StumpCam
What about the vaccinated versus non-vaccinated dying from Covid-19??? Any study on that???
Ok, I posted an article that concludes that both vax and non-vax can transmit Covid, what is the significance of this.
Politicians like Biden and others from NY, Chicago and California have implemented a vax mandate that says you lose your job if your not vaccinated. Since they say you are a threat to the vaccinated individuals. This makes zero sense since the assumption is only non-vax can transmit Covid. This study proves that assumption is bullshit.
What is so hard to understand? This proves that the vax mandate is being implemented for social and economic control....and not for medical reasons.
StumpCam
2021-10-30 13:34:13
In reply to Ninetenjack
And what of the Supreme Court ruling that rejected non-vaxxers objections to the mandate for health care workers because of religious beliefs??
hotarobin
2021-10-30 18:25:19
In reply to Ninetenjack
it's pointless trying to explain..the vaccine seems to do something to their brains..they sound like the Borg repeating the same nonsense over and over again with no ability reason outside of the collective..
Brerzerk
2021-10-30 19:11:52
actually the correct thing for all of us to have done was ignore the post completely
StumpCam
2021-10-30 19:52:37
In reply to Brerzerk
Usually I do!
Halliwell
2021-10-30 20:09:37
In reply to Brerzerk
johndom90
2021-10-30 23:16:25
they sound like the Borg
In reply to hotarobin
'safe and effective...resistance is futile...'
johndom90
2021-10-30 23:27:05
And what of the Supreme Court ruling that rejected non-vaxxers objections
In reply to StumpCam
I have no confidence in the Judicial system ....for the simple reason that they do not fall under any mandate to take the shot. Per smarter people than myself, the executive cannot mandate the judiciary or the legislature (congress/senate) to take the Red pill. Society must depend on those individuals to individually comply for the good of society.
Historically with past public health mandates coming out of the WHouse, the legislature /senate were in full support...but ....not on this occasion . Emperor Biden and De Blasio rule singularly...
...i consider the judiciary as being compromised, bribed by lack of a mandate forcing them to comply like the rest of society. ...
black
2021-10-31 00:44:55
In reply to Ninetenjack
Dude, I am tired of arguing with you guys, you're going to get a dangerous strain of the virus and die.
hotarobin
2021-10-31 12:38:09
In reply to black
May it be to you as you have spoken over another!
black
2021-10-31 18:35:56
In reply to hotarobin
What does that bullshit mean?
It is a fact that people who don't take the vaccine, learn the hard way, death or serious illness.
Four of my customers at one location contracted the virus, one guy almost died.
Ninetenjack
2021-10-31 22:39:22
In reply to black
Four of my customers at one location contracted the virus, one guy almost died.
Dude, I know people who are double vax and died of Covid, I know 4 persons who are double vaxed and caught Delta. I know folks who are suffering from severe adverse reactions from the vaccine.
This post is about the asinine reasons being given for the vax passport and mandate.
Ninetenjack
2021-10-31 22:50:37
She is fully vaxed BTW....
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/psaki-covid-biden-white-house/2021/10/31/id/1042717/
The Biden administration has not mandated COVID-19 vaccines for White House staff though every official has been offered one, Psaki said in July. She has not specified how many White House officials have been vaccinated, but said the administration is able to track the number of individuals on the presidents staff because they are vaccinated here in the White House medical unit.
black
2021-11-01 00:08:30
In reply to Ninetenjack
Dude, I know people who are double vax and died of Covid, I know 4 persons who are double vaxed and caught Delta. I know folks who are suffering from severe adverse reactions from the vaccine
So you're going to discount the hundreds of millions that have taken the vaccine and point out a few cases of people dying of other underlying conditions made worse by covid?
Ninetenjack
2021-11-01 02:21:34
In reply to black
So you're going to discount the hundreds of millions that have taken the vaccine and point out a few cases of people dying of other underlying conditions made worse by covid?
Fack...I don't care if you want to take the vaccine...this post is about the dangers of tyranny... a two tier system...Vax mandates and vax passports. All brought in under the guise that the fucking vacccinated are less safe if an unvaccinated person is next to them or in the same room as them.
If a vaccinated or unvaccinated person who is absolutely healthly and Covid free are together in a room with fully vax people....how the fuck are they a threat?
If a vaccinated or unvaccinated have Covid they transmit the virus equally (based on the study).
So it doesn't make any sense to have a vax mandate that excludes unvaccinated folks.
This is not only anti-science its anti fucking logic.
hotarobin
2021-11-01 02:55:45
In reply to Ninetenjack
he is too busy focusing on who is and isn't vaccinated to get the point about the pointless mandate....
DukeStreet
2021-11-01 07:29:01
In reply to Ninetenjack
Waitaminit...we still arguing with folks about the vaccine..umm, I mean the jab? Don't waste time with black. He does not have the ability to comprehend simple statements. He runs off his mouth arguing about things that totally obfuscate opening statements.
Good luck.
black
2021-11-01 10:57:47
In reply to hotarobin
Are you that dense that you cannot see this is only about vaccine hesitancy?
Remember, these guys original contention was about micro chips and unforeseen dangers of the vaccine, now they have shifted to something else.
All of this is typical, go to some obscure site to confirm what they already believe.
And by the way, I've heard the experts say the opposite about viral load in vaccinated people that are infected.
hotarobin
2021-11-01 13:10:04
In reply to black
yes black I am the dense one..
sudden
2021-11-01 13:54:52
which of you people voluntarily have received a vaccine as an adult and has done research as to its contents and medical efficacy?
have in the doctor's office questioned his medical knowledge of the vaccine?
which of you have never had a vaccine in your life?
or if you have had one how did it affect your health?
Ninetenjack
2021-11-01 14:24:25
Maybe this will help Black:
Bud: You cant come in here!
Lou: Why not?
Bud: Well because youre unvaccinated.
Lou: But Im not sick.
Bud: It doesnt matter.
Lou: Well, why does that guy get to go in?
Bud: Because hes vaccinated.
Lou: But hes sick!
Bud: Its alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.
Lou: Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: So then why cant I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?
Bud: Because youll make them sick.
Lou: How will I make them sick if Im NOT sick and theyre vaccinated.
Bud: Because youre unvaccinated.
Lou: But theyre vaccinated.
Bud: But they can still get sick.
Lou: So what the heck does the vaccine do?
Bud: It vaccinates.
Lou: So vaccinated people cant spread covid?
Bud: Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.
Lou: I dont even know what Im saying anymore. Look. Im not sick.
Bud: Ok.
Lou: And the guy you let in IS sick.
Bud: Thats right.
Lou: And everybody in there can still get sick even though theyre vaccinated.
Bud: Certainly.
Lou: So why cant I go in again?
Bud: Because youre unvaccinated.
Lou: Im not asking whos vaccinated or not!
Bud: Im just telling you how it is.
Lou: Nevermind. Ill just put on my mask.
Bud: Thats fine.
Lou: Now I can go in?
Bud: Absolutely not?
Lou: But I have a mask!
Bud: Doesnt matter.
Lou: I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.
Bud: I know.
Lou: So why cant I come in here today with a mask?
.If you say because Im unvaccinated again, Ill break your arm.
Bud: Take it easy buddy.
Lou: So the mask is no good anymore.
Bud: No, its still good.
Lou: But I cant come in?
Bud: Correct.
Lou: Why not?
Bud: Because youre unvaccinated.
Lou: But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.
Bud: Yes, but people can still catch your germs.
Lou: But theyre all vaccinated.
Bud: Yes, but they can still get sick.
Lou: But Im not sick!!
Bud: You can still get them sick.
Lou: So then masks dont work!
Bud: Masks work quite well.
Lou: So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if Im not sick and masks work?
Bud: Third base.
sudden
2021-11-01 14:32:18
In reply to Ninetenjack
simple. get vaccinated or stay isolated
black
2021-11-01 14:35:24
In reply to Ninetenjack
All that bullshit to say what?
Vaccination is verification of status as it relates to mandates
Is it 100% effective? No
But it's a hell of a lot more effective and safer than being unvaccinated.
Jabari18
2021-11-01 16:06:00
In reply to Ninetenjack
Which vaccine is 100% effective? The malaria vaccine is only 50 something percent effective and it is treated as a great breakthrough.
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 16:06:42
In reply to Ninetenjackass
Dude, fack off.
As Sudden suggested, go isolate yuh dumb self from the rest of civilized society.
Ninetenjack
2021-11-01 16:16:48
In reply to SnoopDog
Dude, I have been working fulltime for just under 40 years I have encountered all types of people. I currently have about 50 people reporting directly and indirectly to me.
You sir by some distance is the most stupid fucking person I have ever encountered in my life. Why don't you go practice your long division.
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 16:29:22
In reply to Ninetenjackass
I currently have about 50 people reporting directly and indirectly to me.
Woe be to them. We can only hope that going forward they maintain fair distance from your dumbass and ignore your general dumbfcukery.
Now do us all a favour here and piss right off.
carl0002
2021-11-01 16:41:56
In reply to SnoopDog
You know that jackass actually referenced an article from Newsmax, News freaken max as proof of no vaccine mandate for WH...
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 16:44:48
In reply to carl0002
You know that jackass actually referenced an article from Newsmax, News freaken max as proof...
I remembered.
And I recalled telling him on that thread to link news from legitimate news sources instead of from far right wing garbage sites.
sgtdjones
2021-11-01 16:45:13
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 17:30:30
In reply to sgtdjones
I don't know about you Bro but I'm tired of these anti-vaxxing, anti-masking, and anti-science assholes who are hell bent on prolonging this pandemic for the rest of civilized society because of their asinine and juvenile concept of "freedom".
As much as I loathe Doug Ford I have to give him credit for not pandering to these clowns and instead listening to and taking the advice from medical experts and not have Ontario become the Alberta of Canada.
sgtdjones
2021-11-01 17:38:09
In reply to SnoopDog
My family and I have gotten our jabs ...
Lost two friends who didn't get vaccinated.
If only they could see the heartbreak they left behind.
Ninetenjack
2021-11-01 18:02:04
In reply to SnoopDog
By some facking distance.....
Ninetenjack
2021-11-01 18:04:29
In reply to carl0002
You know that jackass actually referenced an article from Newsmax, News freaken max as proof of no vaccine mandate for WH...
Dude there is no vax mandate in the Whitehouse....please find me something from CNN that says otherwise.
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 18:14:39
In reply to Ninetenjackass
Dude there is no vax mandate in the Whitehouse....please find me something from CNN that says otherwise.
There isn't one
yet Doofus.
The Biden administration has set a deadline of November 22, 2021 for all federal employees to be fully vaccinated. That will include all employees in the White House which is a Federal building.
We still don't know what point, if any, you're desperately trying to prove.
carl0002
2021-11-01 19:09:46
In reply to SnoopDog
Nineteenjackass learned something new today. He can now change his name to Eighteenjackass
And the first thing he asked is to find something from CNN. Why would I go to CNN to confirm there are vaccine mandates for the Federal Public Service. That's why they always get fooled. As they use Fox News, NewsMax, Qanon as final arbiters of truth.
SnoopDog
2021-11-01 19:28:09
In reply to carl0002
Fox News, NewsMax, Qanon as final arbiters of truth.
The funny thing is that all the talking heads and employees of those far right rags are all fully vaccinated. Rupert Murdoch jumped the queue and was one of the first to get vaccinated.
But they are peddling the anti-vax anti-mask narrative to their mal-educated viewers, like Ninetenjackass, because they know these clowns will lap it up as evidence of this great tyrannical government globalist agenda to take away their "freedoms".
I was talking to one of my old law school prof the other day. He said these anti-vax and anti-mask morons are very similar to the turkeys who resisted seat belts in cars in the 60's and 70's. Back then, the science was clear that seat belts (if worn correctly) saved lives and reduced serious injuries to people involved in MVAs. But when the car makers started to introduce seat belts there were people who said it was corporate tyranny and they were not going to wear them. However, more and more people started to voluntarily wear them. Then the government started legislating the mandatory use of seat belts for drivers, and front seat occupants, and those same "mah freedoms" turkeys called it government tyranny. But when they got pulled over by police and given tickets and had their insurance premiums go up the vast majority started to wear their seat belts and it became a habit of daily driving.
And these days you will hardly, if ever, find an idiot arguing against seat belt use or laws mandating seat belt usage.
hotarobin
2021-11-01 21:56:16
..after all the name calling an mockery none of you blokes are really willing to address the real questionable points surrounding the vaccine mandate.. (not vaccine, vaccine mandate)
sudden
2021-11-01 22:17:18
In reply to hotarobin
Werent you mandated to get the polio, rubella and smallpox vaccines?
Were those mandates anti freedom or violated your rights?