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Desmond Haynes, building a culture of winning

 
openning 2021-11-16 14:25:07 

Taken from his Facebook page.

Clearly… there is A LOT of work that needs to be done To build a 'culture of winning' ... in our team!
My Philosophy encompasses 5 things I will share the first one with you today, look out for the others over the next few days.

1. Discipline
2. Passion
3. COMMUNICATION
4. Knowledge
5. Winning

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sudden 2021-11-16 14:48:39 

In reply to openning

Here comes Not Dinas. He like Dessie cos Dessie saved Lara from Viv or so they say

 
Onionman0 2021-11-16 16:00:02 

In reply to openning

But alas he lost to Phil Simmons.....

 
openning 2021-11-16 16:12:06 

In reply to Onionman0
1. Discipline- My approach to discipline is not a negative one of control… but for development, practice, self-restraint, and preparation. Success comes from being disciplined, in life and sports…we need to adhere to a system, which develops and improves our skills, in the technical, tactical, mental and physical … as well as lifestyle choices

2. Passion- Engraining that we can be the best in the world, despite any negatives.
There is NO team around that we cannot beat with the right discipline, consistency, and PASSION for the game.
Have that competitive and fighting spirit!
I believe that Passion is first, once you are passionate about something, everything else will fall into place…you just have to Believe!

3. COMMUNICATION –this is key. Always have an open dialog policy. It is more than just exchanging information, it is understanding the emotion and intentions behind the information.
Communication is vital to have an efficient and positive environment. Ensure that you are clear in the message that you are sending because often time we say one thing and the other person hears something different.
Communication is also a two-way street, it is about Listening to others as well.

My 4th philosophy encompasses a few subjects of thought and here are a few touch points.
A. Knowledge - Becoming a student of the game, knowing your history, seeking knowledge from the past greats and winning teams of the past.
B . Nutrition - Commit to a healthy lifestyle. By incorporating a well rounded nutrition program in conjunction with a good structured training routine would result in an improvement in endurance and avoid burnout.
C. Guidance- Lead by example, I believe coaching staff should have fitness and nutrition programs similar to that of the players and demonstrate a healthy lifestyle and set the right examples.

My 5th philosophy Winning! Building a culture of Winners.
Aim to win one game at a time!
Our MINDSET is what sets us apart. The ability to manage your emotions is crucial to your performance.
We all have the ability to overcome obstacles and adversity, if we develop the right ‘winning mindset’.
In conclusion…a rebuilding journey is needed.
Fortunately, there is a wealth of young talented cricketers throughout the Caribbean, so there is HOPE for the future.
People still talk about the team, led by Sir Clive Lloyd, and the legacy that legendary team left behind…Playing the West Indian way!
It is critical for our future development and sustainability, that each player MUST understand, it is their Duty to leave the game in a better place…. than where they found it.

 
Onionman0 2021-11-16 16:59:01 

In reply to openning

This philosophy is pariah to our esteemed administration...... results are for everybody to see.....

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-16 17:00:57 

In reply to openning

Wonderful, now for our team to put it into practise. This will only happen when we get players that understand the term commitment and what it means putting on the W.I badge. Until that day comes again, we can expect much of the same dross.

 
TheTrail 2021-11-17 02:44:35 

Lead by example, I believe coaching staff should have fitness and nutrition programs similar to that of the players and demonstrate a healthy lifestyle and set the right examples.




It is critical for our future development and sustainability, that each player MUST understand, it is their Duty to leave the game in a better place…. than where they found it.


Hint hint

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 05:07:07 

In reply to sudden

Yuh mean save us from the mediocrity of Viv’s acolytes like Hooper and Hamish Anthony. Yuh should thank Dessie because is him who save the WI from irrelevancy in the 90s and 2000s

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 05:08:54 

In reply to Windiesfan78

True....but also when you get an administration who recognises that the players are the attraction and that they are not hired hands in a tourist resort

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-17 10:10:48 

In reply to Jumpstart

As Dessie said winning is his last point and isn't it ironic that the decline of W.I cricket happened shortly after he retired. Since Haynes and Greenidge, we haven't seen a more reliable opening partnership in the Caribbean. At one point, they were the best openers in the world. They were model professionals who were confident in their abilities and did the talking with the bat. Furthermore, they were part of a formidable unit who were serial winners. Fans love watching a winning team and over the years, interest waned due to poor performances.

 
googley 2021-11-17 13:38:56 

In reply to openning

those qualities mentioned by Desi are lost on the current lot....plus the $$ being made from franchise cricket has led to the development of EGO. When EGO emerges then the end is near.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 14:25:46 

In reply to Windiesfan78

Fans love watching a winning team and over the years, interest waned due to poor performances.

yip......took a real nose dive after lara retired, and it only picked up interest again during that wisden trophy of 2009. I skipped university to watch the first day in QPO.....and the oval was packed.....ppl and rell fine women as far as the eye could see. I had never seen the oval so full in my life for a WI test match, and sadly, I have not seen it since. That 2009 team could have been world beaters. Players liked playing under Gayle. But as has happened at most of the critical junctures in our region's history, we let insularity and petty politics destroy a good thing. As good a motivator as Sammy was, Sammy could not beat a very good english team, one that three months later would beat the aussies. All the elements of a world beating team were in that side

 
sudden 2021-11-17 14:32:21 

In reply to Jumpstart

Tit, please shut yuh regurgitating skunt

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 14:47:55 

In reply to sudden

just because the cricket association of the polypite is always more than willing bend its already disappearing principles to get its mediocre players on the side does not make what i said incorrect

 
sudden 2021-11-17 15:24:44 

In reply to Jumpstart

Not only incorrect, trite and stale

 
Onionman0 2021-11-17 15:35:29 

In reply to Jumpstart

That 2009 team could have been world beaters.

All the elements of a world beating team were in that side.


Even if accepted, without admitting....then what happened...the world beater players refused to sign contracts.....to further T-20 careers....what an irony...some 12 years later....the same West Indies Board send the greatest to the world cup 2021...the latest , the greatest wish for retirement is being planned....Be that as it may....that team was indiscipline , unfit and injury prone...

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 15:56:28 

In reply to Onionman0
Really? And the players just got up in the morning and decided not to sign contracts?

At the Queen's Park Oval Ramnarine hit out at the WICB for its handling of players' retainer contracts, claiming the governing body has not delivered on its side of an agreement reached in 2007.

"The fact remains that the players have played their last four tournaments without a contract," he said. "I repeat, the players have played their last four series without a contract. They are now being asked to play their fifth consecutive series without a contract which is highly unacceptable.

"When a player called me last week and asked what was the position with regards to his injury while playing cricket for the West Indies in the just concluded Twenty20 World Cup, my response was that was there was no written contract in place and therefore any action that would have to be taken would have to be taken in that context. Professional sportsmen should not be allowed to play any sport that has such a high risk without the necessary protection."

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Gayle, the regular team captain, said he regretted the situation had got this far but he was adamant a stand needed to be taken against the WICB.

"Sorry to all the cricket fans. This is the last thing we want to happen to the game. Need respect and stop taking us for granted," he said on Twitter

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Which brings me back to my first point. If the CWI had not treated the players like the bellhops and busboys at some resort that they are used to managing, we would not be in this position. The board was not negotiating with resort workers, they were dealing with international sporting superstars who had an international profile many times the size of their owns

 
openning 2021-11-17 15:57:56 

In reply to sudden
As I read Jumpstart posts, he is on the wrong mb, this is cc.com, not t&t.com.
He should be leading the voice for the Redforce to break away.
How did he get involve in running WIPA?

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 15:58:51 

In reply to openning

you're actually following this moron with that nonsense

 
openning 2021-11-17 16:02:33 

In reply to Jumpstart
Dude, it is your writing.
Your above links are at your finger tips, you maybe the only one on this mb, that can post these links without using google for a reminder.

 
doosra 2021-11-17 16:07:26 

Skills, anyone?

 
openning 2021-11-17 16:25:40 

In reply to doosra
Any team should be balance with experience, fit, skill and balance players.
Gayle has past his shelf life date.
The Allrounders, and how many with various varieties are needed.
Russell, Bravo, Pollard, Holder, collectively can their international T20 batting stats earned them selection together on a team?

 
Onionman0 2021-11-17 16:31:27 

In reply to Jumpstart

Diverging...

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The greatest batsman...the Champion and the inspirational Captain.... please shed some light

Gayle and Bravo, along with Twenty20 specialist Kieron Pollard, rejected the contracts that required them to be available for national duty at all times.

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-17 16:50:14 

This is one of the head reasons why cricket in the West Indies continues to fail. In the words of Rodbey King, why can't we all get along. The West Indies has produced some of the best players the world has ever seen:
1. Sobers - best allrounder
2. Lara - best batsman (genius with the bat)
3. Walsh - held the record for most test wickets at one point

There are many more I could speak about but I chose those three because they are from different islands and broke world records.
I would love to see a team made up of countries from every Caribbean country but we know that may not be our strongest team. I have said it before and I will say it again. I couldn't care less if our best 11 came from one country in the Caribbean.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 17:19:25 

In reply to Onionman0

contracts that were being negotiated since 2007.....and when they came out in 2009, they had very little of what was negotiated with the players association.

 
openning 2021-11-17 17:23:45 

In reply to Windiesfan78

I would love to see a team made up of countries from every Caribbean country but we know that may not be our strongest team. I have said it before and I will say it again. I couldn't care less if our best 11 came from one country in the Caribbean.

It is a good thing you don't own an team.
A west indies team should be picked, from the best performing players.
You actually think a West Indies team could had been selected without Roberts, Richards, Richardson and Ambrose?
I list the four, because fans from the Leewards and Windwards aways speak about been not selected.

 
sudden 2021-11-17 17:33:57 

Not Dinas was a tit skunt who tried to get Bim players to bring back tales to him and undermine CWI’s efforts but instead they spoke to BCA management who confronted Not Dinas

 
Onionman0 2021-11-17 17:43:38 

In reply to Jumpstart


Bravo last week said he had ''absolute commitment to West Indies cricket'', but had not signed the deal because he ''needed some clarity on some items within the contract and unfortunately we could not make that happen in the time frame for signing, even with the extension provided by the WICB''.


All three players featured in Australia's Big Bash tournament last season and are contracted for the coming season - Gayle for Western Australia, Pollard for South Australia and Bravo for Victoria.


Sri Lanka has blocked its players from the Big Bash, which runs from December 30 to February 5, because of its proximity to the World Cup and the potential for key players to get injuries in Australia.

More than one year after the contract row which Jumpy trying his best to make alibi....

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 18:05:22 

In reply to Onionman0

Bravo last week said he had ''absolute commitment to West Indies cricket'', but had not signed the deal because he ''needed some clarity on some items within the contract and unfortunately we could not make that happen in the time frame for signing, even with the extension provided by the WICB''.

therein lies my point. these WICB morons have always done this. The SA situation in 1998 was as a result of this same matter.
David Holford, chief executive of the Players' Association, said that although a tour fee had been agreed with the board, who had flatly refused to respond to a players' request to meet them in London, "there were some issues surrounding the agreement with which the association is not in agreement".

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As i said....is not some resort the board is running. The players supersede the administration, especially now when a player could never play for the WI and make ten times what a test players makes during his entire career. Who knows anything about Pat Rousseau, and those outside the region know him for only negative things. Nobody knows Teddy Griffith or Earnest Hillaire. They might know Cameron because he is offensively recent history. They might know Ken Gordon who is well respected in the field of journalism throughout the entire hemisphere. They certainly know who is Brian Lara, Chris Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Sunil Narine, Andre Russell etc.

 
Onionman0 2021-11-17 18:14:39 

In reply to Jumpstart

From 2009 Gayle,Bravo and Pollard.... Jumpy took time machine to 1998 Lara,Hooper era...
2009 team was world beater...so says Jumpy....2009 team selected by then administration,nurtured by same administration...but Gayle, Bravo and Pollard refused to sign the contract to further their T-20 career....which they did with great success...but 2021 World Cup, surely made them run with their tails between their legs...last but not the least..Gayle wants a farewell in Jamaica.... Entitlement...they thinks and believe to be so....

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 18:16:59 

In reply to Onionman0

clearly reading gives you great difficulty

 
tc1 2021-11-17 18:58:57 

In reply to Jumpstart

Nobody knows Teddy Griffith or Earnest Hillaire.



Are you fuh real, Teddy was well known as cricketer, Bim scholar , played for JA as well as Bim, father was Herman Griffith who played for TNT and Bim. Founder the great Empire Club in Bim. His 2 brothers played for Cambridge.

 
sudden 2021-11-17 19:21:09 

In reply to tc1

Did he represent the Tits or played IPL?

If he didn’t, in Not Dinas’s mind, he doesn’t count


However Ken Gordon might be known for journalism throughout the entire hemisphere

 
tc1 2021-11-17 19:32:32 

In reply to sudden

However Ken Gordon might be known for journalism throughout the entire hemisphere




Only in Titeland and in the mind of Jumpy.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 19:44:07 

In reply to tc1

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Kenneth “Ken” Gordon, born in 1930, was the first black radio announcer in Trinidad and Tobago and, soon after, the first native-born Programme Director at Radio Trinidad.

He became the first black president of the Junior Chamber of Commerce in 1960. His entrepreneurial ability was applied to reconstruct a number of Caribbean newspapers. He eventually became the managing director of Trinidad Express Newspaper in 1969, considered the first truly indigenous national newspaper in Trinidad and Tobago.

He had conceptual and nurturing roles in the formation of regional media institutions, most notably the Caribbean News Agency. He was instrumental in introducing the first private television station in the English Caribbean, CCN TV6, and Prime Radio, in 1991. This company later joined Barbados Nation Corporation Group to create One Caribbean Media Limited in 2006.

Recognition for his service to the media has come from numerous regional and international bodies including The Pedro Joaquin Chamorro Award In 1983 from the Inter American Press Association; The Commonwealth Press Union Lord Astor Award In 1985 and the Media Association of Trinidad And Tobago’s Service Recognition Award in 1

I think not

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-17 19:50:11 

In reply to openning

Open you are missing the point. In other words, it doesn't matter where the players come from in the Caribbean, it is about picking the best team from the players that are available. That's why I went on to say that I couldn't care less if they are from the same country. Furthermore, there is talent all over the Caribbean. Look at Hayden Walsh Jr, he is from St. Croix.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 19:53:25 

In reply to tc1

Are you fuh real, Teddy was well known as cricketer, Bim scholar , played for JA as well as Bim, father was Herman Griffith who played for TNT and Bim. Founder the great Empire Club in Bim. His 2 brothers played for Cambridge.

AS i said.....nobody knows teddy griffith

 
tc1 2021-11-17 20:30:23 

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Only in the eyes of Jumpy.

 
openning 2021-11-17 21:26:19 

In reply to Windiesfan78

Hayden Walsh Jr, he is from St. Croix., anyone that follow cricket in Barbados, know about Hayden, that's where he plays local cricket, along with a number of players from the Windwards.
I for one don't see much in his bowling, he is a better fielder than a wrist spinner at this time.
As far as team selection is concern, we don't have consistency with players that play regional 4-day cricket, the stats speak for itself.
CHG as age 42 years is the only current batsman with a FC average over 40, so all we fans are doing is clamouring for the player we like.
The last two captain whose focus was on winning were Sir Clive Hubert Lloyd and Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 22:01:46 

In reply to openning

Rubbish leggie.....barely turns the ball and is not quick through the air or off the pitch. If the pitch has abrasions and grip, he is sometimes useful, but ither than that nah. Like his enthusiasm but he is not very talented at all.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 22:04:48 

In reply to tc1

Just because half of the ppl allyuh offer for president and ceo was nothings who achieved next to nothing in life prior to their CWI role(that chip is half their problem) does not mean that you have to belittle Gordon's enormous contributions

 
sudden 2021-11-17 22:56:44 

In reply to Jumpstart

So only Titland can offer or have persons of quality who might be known throughout the entire hemisphere?

Talk about blowing your own trumpet. There must be internal inadequacies that would propel a person to utilize previous business reputation of a Trinidadian to make the comparison that on that basis alone he was better than any other regional CWI President, and not what was actually achieved during his term. I think you struggle with self image. The constant need to appear better than others. You need help

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 23:16:48 

In reply to sudden

No.........Wes Hall was the best WICB president since Allan Rae. That was probably one of the few times in the last 30-35 years that we didn't have a player board schism. I am however saying that the BCA nominees since have been downright awful. Teddy Griffith was so arrogant that he wanted to send a second string team to the tri series in Australia with the hosts and Pakistan, only for the then ACB to shoot down the upstart by telling him, send your best side or don't send one at all. And of course he was enabled by his CEO Brathwaite. Hillary called lara "the prince" and gayle "the don", demonizing the players while hunte and hillaire went about destroying WI cricket. The BCA was so deeply in bed with Cameron that they did not even want to entertain Skerrit's presentation.

 
sudden 2021-11-17 23:20:20 

In reply to Jumpstart

Good recovery but that doesn’t work with me, tit. You are one inadequate, self aggrandizing bannuh. So fuk off

 
tc1 2021-11-17 23:23:07 

In reply to Jumpstart


Gordon was an deejay, that all.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 23:24:24 

In reply to sudden

bannuh

I tell yuh bout the cockny pidgin.....yuh hadda translate

 
sudden 2021-11-17 23:27:38 

In reply to Jumpstart

Does fuk off need translating too?

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-17 23:29:35 

In reply to sudden

Like dat one sting
.........to quote the great Wasim Akram " I'm sooo sorry"

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-18 00:51:26 

In reply to openning

You are correct. I mentioned the fact that we have no one in this current team that averages over 40 in tests. That just isn't good enough.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 10:45:41 

In reply to Windiesfan78

The legacy of picking 2nd string teams. The last time the WI would have gone into a test with at least 5 batsmen averaging over 40 would have been in the beginning of 2011

 
Windiesfan78 2021-11-18 11:58:43 

In reply to Jumpstart

shock. Shows that we just keep going downhill like Jack and Jill.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 12:41:39 

In reply to Windiesfan78

yip

 
openning 2021-11-18 13:42:18 

In reply to Jumpstart
The only 2nd string teams I am aware of, were when places went on strike.
That was part of you, and those 2nd string teams, was part of your doing.
Were the players at the WC, 2nd strings?

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 14:38:58 

In reply to openning

And i want to know any board that will create a situation for their best players to go on strike.

Were the players are the WC, 2nd strings

wickets were slow and they badly misread the conditions.......as did the India team

 
openning 2021-11-18 14:46:39 

In reply to Jumpstart

wickets were slow and they badly misread the conditions.......as did the India team

Thats bs, the squad consisted of Head coach Phil Simmons, Kieron Pollard and friends.
I called Pollard and friends after hearing who was selected, I have now included Phil as part of friendly selectors.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 14:51:14 

In reply to openning

if you say so sir

 
Onionman0 2021-11-18 16:00:01 

In reply to Jumpstart


clearly reading gives you great difficulty


Absolutely.....if the writer juggles his facts ..... according to his whims....to suit his narrative.....

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 16:37:58 

In reply to Onionman0

you haven't repudiated any of my so-called juggled facts....you just resorted to stale, petty insults

 
Onionman0 2021-11-18 17:37:28 

In reply to Jumpstart
Juggled fact



That 2009 team could have been world beaters. Players liked playing under Gayle. But as has happened at most of the critical junctures in our region's history, we let insularity and petty politics destroy a good thing. As good a motivator as Sammy was, Sammy could not beat a very good english team, one that three months later would beat the aussies. All the elements of a world beating team were in that side

To support your contention....shared two links....both dated July 2009....related to contract dispute.. I contested that by sharing a link dated October 2010, wherein, Gayle, Bravo and Pollard refused to sign contract...which would have curtailed their T-20 career...which ultimately led the selectors replacing Gayle with Sammy as Captain.... although they were retained in the team....other members were also all retained...it was crystal clear, Gayle refused to sign simply to further his t-20 career....Jumpy immediately, takes a time machine back to 1998 via a link....in the era of Lara and Hooper..... and started talking about contract dispute in different eras under various administrations.... your case was ....
"2009 team a world beater, destroyed by politics of administration"..... generalizing the argument ....from specific happening of event to generalization.....I never argued about existence of politics in West Indies cricket and its adverse effects....or contract disputes under different Captains and administrations

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 17:49:22 

In reply to Onionman0

That 2009 team could have been world beaters. Players liked playing under Gayle. But as has happened at most of the critical junctures in our region's history, we let insularity and petty politics destroy a good thing. As good a motivator as Sammy was, Sammy could not beat a very good english team, one that three months later would beat the aussies. All the elements of a world beating team were in that side

Did they not.....2009? I said they had the elements, not that they were moron. ramnaresh sarwan scored 626 runs in the Widen trophy at home, jerome taylor dismissed england for 51 on a very batting friendly wicket at Sabina. We won the wisden trophy for the first time in 9 years and 3 series. Only to lose it because the wicb morons arranged a return series behind the players' backs as preparation for England's ashes attempt that year. Reached the semi finals of the wt20, beating Australia and India on the way. Gave Australia ab mighty scare down under, drawing the second test and only losing the third because Billy Bowden made a gross error a little over 30 runs adrift with Garvin Tongue and Kemar Roach, a man known for finishing chases in their 20s and set. Gayle also scored 3 hundreds down under in that series. A\Holder beat a weak England team that could not like its predecessors, beat Australia at home and you guys(mostly bajans were in 7th heaven, holder could do o wrong) yet still you look down on an even better record from 08-09. Your contributions just scream impulsiveness and emotion, making not an iota of sense. You keep on talking about the players not signing contracts in 09. Tell me one professional cricketer from somebody other than zim and bangla who don't have options who will accept being forced to play a series that was not on the FTP and was not an idea in January of that year

 
Onionman0 2021-11-18 18:01:35 

In reply to Jumpstart

Again, same diversification....here argument is not about the team of 2009 ....but sacking of Gayle as Captain due to politics of administration.....and replacing Gayle with Sammy.....but it's fact Gayle refused to sign contract, so he could ply his trade in t-20 leagues around the world....How administration could be blamed for player not signing Central contract.....Can any team be led by a player, who is not centrally contracted???? Come on Jumpy...

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 18:10:09 

In reply to Onionman0

and replacing Gayle with Sammy.....but it's fact Gayle refused to sign contract, so he could ply his trade in t-20 leagues around the world

Once again you are being dishonest. Gayle's issues with t20 and tests came after the WICB demanded he leave the IPL(after playing 2 or 3 games) in SA that year, to play this makeshift series in England. It is then he said he would not mind if test cricket died. Tony Cozier did some investigations and reported that Emperor Raptor(Julian Hunte) did not even know the Wisden trophy was being played for in that makeshift series, that was not on the FTP. Now as i said, i cannot see any other set of players not protesting over that. Australia nearly did not play the 2017 ashes at home because CA wanted to fund shield, womens and Grade cricket from their salaries

 
Onionman0 2021-11-18 18:41:01 

In reply to Jumpstart



Once again you are being dishonest. Gayle's issues with t20 and tests came after the WICB demanded he leave the IPL(after playing 2 or 3 games) in SA that year, to play this makeshift series in England.


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IPL started in the month of April in South Africa
England toured Caribbean for 5 test matches starting from February 4 and ending on 10 March 2009....
Please juggle your facts properly so that you can sustain your accusation ....of me being dishonest....
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Leggully 2021-11-18 19:00:04 

In reply to Jumpstart

wickets were slow and they badly misread the conditions.......as did the India team

Most of the West Indies T20 stars had just played in the IPL on the same pitches. The Australians the eventual winners play their cricket on hard bouncy pitches. The facts are the West Indies were very poor, the management team, coach, captain need to take full resposibility for this performance. The captain should fall on his sword an resign but is that going to happen? No.

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 19:49:56 

In reply to Onionman0

once again, your asinine qualities totally outweigh your minute wisdom.....The first test IN ENGLAND started on the 6th of May.

Since arriving only two days before the first Test to a storm of criticism – he was playing in the Indian Premier League, an event not well received – his West Indies side went on to lose the first Test at Lord's by 10 wickets inside three days. "Yeah it's definitely been a rough week," he says, "From when I landed in England it's been rough, and when we lost the game it's been even tougher. We were depressed.".........................In fact it could be argued that the finger pointing should be at the West Indies Cricket Board whose hastily arranged England tour clashed with pre-existing IPL arrangements

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. As i said, i want to see any other board do this to their players. Its only the players who weren't and are not good enough like kraigg and co who have to grovel for cwi crumbs because it is their sole source of income.

Read the linked article where the quotes are from in incognito mode or else the Guardian UK will ask you to subscribe

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 19:54:44 

In reply to Leggully

i agree with you, andfor that they should be held to some kind of account.....that does not mean stripping the team of seniors. Both pollard and dre rus have another wt20 in them whether you like it or not. They struggled this series and that happens.....to the best players

 
Leggully 2021-11-18 20:22:54 

In reply to Jumpstart

Both pollard and dre rus have another wt20

Yes I agree 100% maybe two since 2024 is not that far away, however no one should have a God given right to a place on the WI T20 team. So if they dont perform they should be dropped and performance should not onky be base on the IPL or the CPL

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-18 21:12:58 

In reply to Leggully

I agree. I actually think Pooran would make a very goid white ball captain. He does not seem as intense as Pollard. Pollard is nyrturing but he has an intense personality and that may make some players feaful of failure. Gayle was successful as captain by simply being easy and accessible. I remember when Ricardo Powell was giving interview in TT, he said what gayle brings is fun, joking.....not a slipping of standards but he would not bite your head off if you made a mistake. Tbe only dude who gayle had to kick out was Darren Powell who became very disrespectful to the rest of the team during the English tour here in 09. That is the kind of captain I see Pooran being.

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 02:46:25 

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He is not the only one. Shivnarine Chanderpaul also hated the captaincy. "I'm pretty much similar to Shiv when it come to everything like talking to persons and stuff," says Gayle. "It is a lot of pressure. You're always in the media … At the time when I was asked [in 2007] I didn't want to be the captain."

Gayle says he was persuaded into the job on a temporary basis, standing in for the injured Ramnaresh Sarwan. "That's when it all started. We won the series and then I said to them, whenever Sarwan is fully fit, I am ready to step down. Maybe they saw something different, something totally different," he muses, "and they asked me to be captain.

"I thought hard about it. I didn't want to be captain, I wanted to have more free time. I didn't want that added pressure at that particular time, but they actually insist, insist, insist, so I said OK. So I thought, just get on with it."

Gayle says he "trained his mind" into the job, overcoming challenges that were unnatural to his personality. His reflections are revealing. He may be one of the Caribbean's biggest celebrities, with his face plastered on

You argue administration politics destroyed ' World beater team of 2009" ... Gayle was removed because of politics...your own article says that Gayle never wanted to be Captain....was persuaded....was waiting for Sarwan to be fully fit, so that Gayle could hand over the rein....all these happening in May 2009...

Once again you are being dishonest. Gayle's issues with t20 and tests came after the WICB demanded he leave the IPL(after playing 2 or 3 games) in SA that year, to play this makeshift series in England.


I don't find any support for your above contention...

I repeat , Gayle ultimately resigned in 2010 October as Captain and administration could not persuade him to continue.... Gayle only intention was to further his T-20 career... Jumpy you juggled facts,...heap insult on me.... calling me dishonest, asinine.....but facts remains facts....Jumpy cannot change but only juggles... lol lol

 
openning 2021-11-19 03:10:22 

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After looking at Andre Russell and Pollard international T20 stats, only a west indian bent on having such players would come on this board and support them..
Andre Russell
Batting: 67 57 19 741 51 19.50 475 156.00
Bowling: 67 56 891 1364 39 3/43 3/43 34.97 9.18

Kieron Pollard
Batting: 93 76 16 1468 75* 24.46 1083 135.54
Bowling: 93 57 754 1062 38 4/25 4/25 27.94 8.45

Pollard after 67 matches and not a specialist no better than Sammy at this level
Darren Sammy:
Bowling: 68 59 916 1116 44 5/26 5/26 25.36 7.31
How do these League stars compare to other internationals?

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 09:33:54 

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Hoss Lloyd did not even want to be captain. Clive Lloyd, the greatest ever cappot to ever lead a WI side. Alan Border never wanted to be captain either yet he he the forefather of the aussie dynasty of the mid 90s and early 2000s. they picked him because they had to pick him. Gayle was a leader. Ceteris Paribus( all things renaining equal), he would have kept the captaincy. Sarwan obviously had no issue with playing under Gayle because he scored 626 runs in 5 tests in that home Wisden trophy.

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 09:35:57 

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lol lol Diversification....

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 09:36:22 

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I don't find any support for your above contention...

I repeat , Gayle ultimately resigned in 2010 October as Captain and administration could not persuade him to continue.... Gayle only intention was to further his T-20 career... Jumpy you juggled facts,...heap insult on me.... calling me dishonest, asinine.....but facts remains facts....Jumpy cannot change but only juggles... lol lol





Read the link article from the Guardian bush for brains. The quotes above are from the articke. Its seems in order to fool you, we need to put things in print.

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[b]Chris Gayle has been sacked as West Indies captain and replaced by Darren Sammy. The West Indies Cricket Board announced the decision when naming the squad for the tour of Sri Lanka.

"We are at the dawn of a new era in West Indies cricket and the selection committee has entrusted the challenging job of captaincy to Darren Sammy because it is believed that he has demonstrated the attributes of a leader of this diverse group of men," said Clyde Butts, the selection committee chairman.

Gayle, who has been captain since 2007, is still in the squad as a batsman with Brendan Nash named as vice-captain for the Tests in Sri Lanka.[/b]



Diversification......even the Guardian is into it right

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 10:41:31 

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He is not the only one. Shivnarine Chanderpaul also hated the captaincy. "I'm pretty much similar to Shiv when it come to everything like talking to persons and stuff," says Gayle. "It is a lot of pressure. You're always in the media … At the time when I was asked [in 2007] I didn't want to be the captain."

Gayle says he was persuaded into the job on a temporary basis, standing in for the injured Ramnaresh Sarwan. "That's when it all started. We won the series and then I said to them, whenever Sarwan is fully fit, I am ready to step down. Maybe they saw something different, something totally different," he muses, "and they asked me to be captain.

"I thought hard about it. I didn't want to be captain, I wanted to have more free time. I didn't want that added pressure at that particular time, but they actually insist, insist, insist, so I said OK. So I thought, just get on with it."

Gayle says he "trained his mind" into the job, overcoming challenges that were unnatural to his personality. His reflections are revealing. He may be one of the Caribbean's biggest celebrities, with his face plastered on


Gayle speaks.....rest is history...thanks for earlier link lol lol

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 10:52:54 

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That is an article from 2009. Gayle was only fired/sacked in 2010 before the SL series.

[b]b]Chris Gayle has been sacked as West Indies captain and replaced by Darren Sammy. The West Indies Cricket Board announced the decision when naming the squad for the tour of Sri Lanka.

"We are at the dawn of a new era in West Indies cricket and the selection committee has entrusted the challenging job of captaincy to Darren Sammy because it is believed that he has demonstrated the attributes of a leader of this diverse group of men," said Clyde Butts, the selection committee chairman.

Gayle, who has been captain since 2007, is still in the squad as a batsman with Brendan Nash named as vice-captain for the Tests in Sri Lanka[/b].[/b]

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 12:31:11 

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Reposting the link .... October 2010....


Gayle and Bravo, along with Twenty20 specialist Kieron Pollard, rejected the contracts that required them to be available for national duty at all times

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 13:04:48 

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Which brings me back to my first, much vented point: CWI created this mess by arranging a series behind the players' backs, long after IPL contracts would have been awarded and the schedule known to the players and the board. As i told you, no other board would do that to their players. But when the management of WICB are hotel and resort managers, essentially people who have achieved very little regionally and nothing internationally of note. Which is 3/4 of their problem. The tourism brand of management is bad for WI cricket because it is superstars you are dealing with, not bellhops and busboys

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 15:12:45 

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About the captaincy he is similarly blase. "To be honest with you, there's a possibility I might give it up – I will be giving it up, shortly."


Your Article... Gayle speaks.......Trio.. Gayle,Bravo and Pollard.... Pollard was also effected by hastily arranged England tour...
lol

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 15:34:44 

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wow....singling out one person......you're special

About the captaincy he is similarly blase. "To be honest with you, there's a possibility I might give it up – I will be giving it up, shortly."

a 2009 article......went to australia AFTER this and scored 3 hundreds......as captain

 
Onionman0 2021-11-19 16:53:25 

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I thought hard about it. I didn't want to be captain, I wanted to have more free time. I didn't want that added pressure at that particular time, but they actually insist, insist, insist, so I said OK. So I thought, just get on with it."

Your Article.... Gayle speaks about extremely compelled to continue as Captain...free time....and admiration for t-20....Bravo the vice captain and Pollard the newbie..also annoyed by hastily arranged England tour refused to sign central contract...
These three devoted free time to IPL and Big Bash.....Irony, Pollard "12"Captain, Bravo, Champion and Gayle UB appeared in 2021 World Cup... humiliated themselves and the region....Karma.....
Be that as it may, Gayle,at the peak of his career, as you said centuries in Australia.in 2010..decided to make hay during sunshine.. refused central contract...to further his T-20 career..Bravo and Pollard along with him..... Administration with no other alternative appointed Sammy as Captain....

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-19 17:58:32 

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Jumpy! give me a call please.

smile

 
Jumpstart 2021-11-19 19:53:54 

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These three devoted free time to IPL and Big Bash.....Irony, Pollard "12"Captain, Bravo, Champion and Gayle UB appeared in 2021 World Cup... humiliated themselves and the region....Karma.....
Be that as it may, Gayle,at the peak of his career, as you said centuries in Australia.in 2010..decided to make hay during sunshine.. refused central contract...to further his T-20 career..Bravo and Pollard along with him..... Administration with no other alternative appointed Sammy as Captain....

I, as a sporting professional, after the stunt the raptor and the deportee sounding CEO did in 2009, would never sign a contract with the WICB without serious scrutinizing of that said contract. Gayle knew that if a t20 tournament is going on, and the wicb arranges a tour in that time frame, even though it is arranged after, he is under obligation to tour. The CWI is the only major cricket board (bangla and zim are not major) that would arrange tours and series outside the FTP. Between 2010 and 2009 and 2013, they did it twice. The first time being the return series in England in 2009 and then Tendulkar's farewell. No sporting professional with multiple revenue streams would sign a contract with an organization that chaotic. Almost all the guys who played tests for us during that period were not good enough to earn anything outside a cwi contract, and most of those guys who were good enough soon fell out with the board: the bravos, the rampauls, the sammys(although he was strangely silent when the raptor and hillaire were running amok).

Embarassing the region: The only ppl who embarass the region is the CWI.
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CARICOM panel suggests 'immediate dissolution' of WICB
Calling the governance structure of the West Indies Cricket Board "antiquated", "obsolete" and "anachronistic", the CARICOM Cricket Review Panel has recommended the WICB be dissolved and all current members resign


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West Indian cricket legends, including Garry Sobers and Vivian Richards have demanded the "dissolution" of WICB and a formation of an interim board in place of the "obsolete" body.

On April 14, converging under the umbrella banner of Cricket Legends, Sobers and Richards, accompanied by Wes Hall and Andy Roberts, met with Grenada premier Keith Mitchell, chairman of the Prime Ministerial Committee on the Governance of West Indies Cricket, which appointed the CARICOM cricket review panel in the wake of the crisis that emerged following the West Indies' withdrawal from India's tour in October 2014.


Then Chris Gayle, finally appointed as one-day captain after his selection had initially been vetoed by the WICB, hit out. "The board is always talking about players needing to change but we, the players, need changes from the board as well," he said. "We can't be out in the wilderness all the time because we are the ones who are getting all the blame. These are some of the things that we as players have to go through. The WICB says they want the best out of players but we also need the best out of the board."

His comments came on the day that the results of the arbitration hearing into the contracts for the tour of England came out. For the fifth time in five referrals to the arbitrator, the board lost. With a 0-5 record, you would think it might have occurred to the executive that it was doing something wrong. All the more so as squabbles between its own officials came out in the findings.

Not a bit of it. All that the WICB seemed concerned with was trying to score petty points against WIPA, the players' association, over a vague and disputed agreement not to discuss the arbitration. It came out of its corner like a pummeled journeyman boxer swinging wildly in the desperate hope he might land one lucky knockout punch but falling flat on his face in the process.
Sir David Simmons, the head of the arbitration panel, noted that the relationship between the WICB and WIPA needed addressing. The reaction of the WICB's CEO Bruce Aanensen was about as conciliatory as a punch in the ribs.

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The only organization embarrassing caribbean ppl is the CWI......the players are liked and well respected outside. Just because they prioritize making a living rather than feeding the self conscious egos of some islanders does not mean the world does not respect them

 
Onionman0 2021-11-20 01:16:01 

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Diversification..., Gayle himself speaks in your Article..... nowhere,I find support for your contention.... lol lol

 
Onionman0 2021-11-20 01:18:31 

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Not to forget Captain 12 Mr. Pollard and Champion Bravo.....

 
Onionman0 2021-11-20 01:31:42 

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Diversification akin to the heading of this thread....Open started about Dessie.....we combined to destroy it lol