Grant Flower vs Monty Desai

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link Onionman0 Joined: Mar 5, 2020
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11/24/21, 6:26:04 AM 
Two batting coaches....One was very good batsman at the international level...coached Pakistan and at international level....And Monty "the IPL Recruiter" Desai..Ex Canadian Coach....Just look at the effects on batters of two team... although, West Indies batters are more experienced than Sri Lankan...

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11/24/21, 6:33:09 AM 
With all those experience.... West Indies 18 for 5....

link WIForever Joined: Jun 28, 2010
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11/24/21, 6:33:56 AM 
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Simmons in an interview said that you don’t get to West Indies to be coached on batting. You made the team because you could bat. This is not a West Indies batting coaching problem, this is a far bigger batting problem in regional cricket that we have since the early 90s. Very few Lara, Hooper, Sarwan and Chanders are the very few in hundreds that could actually bat properly at test level. In over 30 years, only 4!!!!!

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11/24/21, 6:42:18 AM 
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Simmons chatting bare shoite as de Bajans wud say. He tek a job, recognizes an area of weakness and does nothing to fix it cause according to him somebody else shud have done dat already? Say it ent so

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11/24/21, 6:47:14 AM 
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About 200 coaches could not fix it, you think he will?
Simmons not out there batting. All these teams are just better than us. This is not a problem that will go away overnight.
A complete revolution in our cricket system at all levels of development is needed. New Zealand did it in a few short years!

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11/24/21, 6:52:35 AM 
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So he accepting money under false pretenses?

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11/24/21, 7:13:01 AM 
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Probably if part of the job spec was to fix cricket across the board at all levels.

link FanAttick Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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11/24/21, 7:33:34 AM 
Andre Coley should be the batting coach

link navindesigns Joined: Mar 20, 2005
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11/24/21, 9:08:14 AM 
Why not just give Shiv the job?

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11/24/21, 9:15:50 AM 
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Simmons in an interview said that you don’t get to West Indies to be coached on batting. You made the team because you could bat. This is not a West Indies batting coaching problem, this is a far bigger batting problem in regional cricket that we have since the early 90s



this is correct. for the last 20 years our most dominant domestic bowlers are spinners,yet we have not produce a half decent international spinner in this time. This is an indication that our batsmen are poor at batting spin, you can't pick a team to tour Asia and then expect this to be corrected there.

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11/24/21, 9:33:44 AM 
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We speak the same language.

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11/24/21, 11:46:04 AM 
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So he accepting money under false pretenses?


Not only Simmons ..... Simmons Head coach cum Selector recommended Monty Desai as batting coach...just google Desai CV..... players are cussed, chopped and changed but these coaching staff earning huge remuneration.... doesn't want to be held liable for their inefficiencies...best of the students without proper guidance, would not be able to achieve what ordinary students with proper guidance can.....I believe firmly, that West Indies has talent but they are not being harnessed properly....this management headed by Simmons, has failed miserably...just look at the fiasco in T-20 World Cup...

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11/24/21, 11:55:29 AM 
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The man saying Simmons should be leading this revo or go!

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11/24/21, 11:56:56 AM 
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In defence of spinners 1 test cannot really say how he would have developed.

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11/24/21, 12:03:52 PM 
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the system in place is much more a problem than the current individuals manning the system.If you have underprepared players entering a system, coaches will find it difficult to produce desired results.

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11/24/21, 12:04:22 PM 
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The man saying Simmons should be leading this revo or go!


T-20 World Cup 2021 performance was revo in itself..... another revo in 2022 lurking... Simmons for eternity...huge remuneration... double power as Head Coach cum Selector...

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11/24/21, 12:14:37 PM 
In reply to camos

If you have underprepared players entering a system, coaches will find it difficult to produce desired results.

What about World Cup fiasco...underprepared or over aged, unfit and out of form players selected under Head Coach cum selector Simmons....

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11/24/21, 12:59:47 PM 
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Also, these Sri Lanka spinners have total experience of 12 matches before this test... Embuldeniya 10, Ramesh Mendis 1and Warwiksinghe 1....they are not Murali, Herath or Ashwin...

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11/24/21, 1:16:55 PM 
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Which coach could help these batsmen???

link Narper Joined: Jan 3, 2003
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11/24/21, 2:16:32 PM 
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Two years ago Lara and Sarwan were batting consultants for this WI team

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When Shiv was playing....he de seh dem head hard....dem not learning

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11/24/21, 2:45:40 PM 
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WI will NOT have a competitive test team in our lifetimes!

Thankfully we're competitive in modern cricket- sometimes lol

link openning Joined: Nov 12, 2002
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11/24/21, 2:54:51 PM 
In reply to Narper
We have a disconnect between preparation for tournament and working on players flaws.
Is Grant Flower living and working in Sri Lanka, or is he there for tournaments?
Viv said after playing his first game after retiring, our batsman is becoming a group of survivors.

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11/24/21, 3:09:15 PM 
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sometimes


That will be history soon
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11/24/21, 3:10:09 PM 
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What is Jimmy Adams doing?

Is he directing traffic only

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11/24/21, 10:27:03 PM 
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Which coach could help these batsmen???

Appoint an international repute batsman with coaching credentials or local...Dessie,Shiv or Hooper...for a period of 3 years...if these very players do not improve...then I will rest my case....not to ex-Canada batting coach..

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