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Was Patrick Patterson The Quickest Of WI Pacers?
spider
2022-01-06 16:24:03
[b]Asked, upon setting foot on Jamaican soil, if he dreaded the home teams pace unit, the Master Blaster responded, Wait until you see my pace. He had within his ranks, West Indies fast bowlers Winston Benjamin and Eldine Baptiste, alongside George Ferris and Anthony Merrick, who both played county cricket.
But they were nothing compared to Patterson. The big Jamaican knocked over Richardson in both innings and captured Richards' prized scalp in the second. When Richie Richardson came out [to bat] you could see the fear in his eyes. It's like he wanted to send for a helmet, but didn't because of ego, remarked Lewis.
Next in line were England, who toured during the 1985-86 season. Graham Gooch was a highly regarded and highly skilled opener for England. This is what he wrote in his autobiography: At that point, for the first and, I think, only time, I began saying to myself, 'Graham, it might be doing yourself a favour if you get out, this boy Patterson is really firing and it could get very nasty indeed. If you don't watch it you could be hit very badly.' It was the only time I thought I might be hurt at the crease. Now, I found that I was crouching very low, knees really bent, even before Patterson was into his delivery stride. Not a good feeling at all. Gooch, in the words of John Keats in Ode to a Nightingale, was half in love with easeful death.[/b]
Jamaica Observer
mikelegend
2022-01-06 17:05:52
In reply to spider
Without a doubt one of the most exciting fast bowlers I have witnessed in my lifetime.
Tryangle
2022-01-06 17:30:02
In reply to mikelegend
One of my faves - sheer menacing pace.
conman
2022-01-06 18:36:14
Most of WI fast bowlers probably bowled around 80-90mph with averages around the 85-87mph mark with the ability crank it when needed, just like current day rabada, starke, etc
the true express men 95mph plus were rare, patterson, tommo seems like they fell in this category like we see with Wood in the ashes
mikesiva
2022-01-06 18:56:11
In reply to spider
Botham rated Patterson as the fastest he ever faced.
camos
2022-01-06 18:58:01
Saw Patto live twice but never in a test, saw him as a schoolboy against Dinthill in Headley cup semifinal and against Barbados in 1982 at Chedwin Park. His technique was good then, but he had not yet developed strength.
Slipfeeler
2022-01-06 19:26:59
In reply to mikelegend
Patrick's brother here in Toronto, says that he was much faster than his legendary brother but was plagued with bureaucratic problems.
camos
2022-01-06 20:18:20
In reply to Slipfeeler
heard that story from a few Portlanders.
Brerzerk
2022-01-06 20:35:26
I was there, know what's interesting; Patto bowled a few full length deliveries that Gatting or Smith drove for 4. It was Greenidge not Viv who walked up to him and with wagging finger told him something. He'd already got Tim Robinson caught Greenidge off a good length but just to fast delivery. He went shorter after. I also saw when Macko splattered Gatting's nose in the ODI. Imagine Holding was the fourth bowler Patto the 3rd. Macko n Big Bird opened.
Dukes
2022-01-06 20:48:42
The fastest bowler I have ever seen is Jeff Thompson in 1974 against England. The next fastest I have seen is Mikey Holding in 1976.I particularly remember just before the 2nd test at Lords Holding bowling against the MCC late one Saturday afternoon.
I saw Patrick Patterson in Jamaica in 1986 and the problem there was the pitch so it was very dangerous to batsmen.He was the fastest bowler around then but in my opinion both Thompson and Holding were faster.
culpepperboy
2022-01-06 20:52:55
I saw him in a minitest(shell shield match)
Garner Marshall Small Haynes Greenidge
Vs
Holding Walsh Patterson Dujon
I didn't know which team to back.
camos
2022-01-06 20:56:03
In reply to culpepperboy
was that '83?
Dukes
2022-01-06 20:58:02
culpepperboy
2022-01-06 21:38:53
In reply to Dukes
How you know when I was there?
Dukes
2022-01-06 21:45:36
In reply to culpepperboy
You were here
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Ninetenjack
2022-01-06 21:46:03
In reply to spider
Mikey Holding in 1976, 14 wickets on a dead, dead track.
camos
2022-01-06 21:49:03
In reply to culpepperboy
How you know when I was there?
FanAttick
2022-01-07 15:38:43
In reply to Dukes
Neither Thompson nor Holding were ever faster than Patto
.never in a million years
I will take IVA Richards word for it
.
WestDem
2022-01-07 16:29:34
VIX
2022-01-07 16:39:24
There was this sad article on Patterson posted here a few years ago. The Indian journalist was upset enough that he set up a gofundme to assist Patterson.
He looks at you, nodding, like hes hearing about his own feats for the first time. Im just so far from all of that, nothing around me to remind me really of the whole journey. Its been like that for 20-odd years.
But, when I tell him that Ill stay in touch even once Im back home, his smile vanishes and his face turns serious. He comes close, holds my hands and says, But dont forget, theyll be listening. They tap my phone, you know. This is not easy for me. Believe you me. Believe you me
The gofundme appears to be active still.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 17:28:01
In reply to WestDem
I saw Patto make Richie Richardson(who was one of the best players of pace ever) look like an amateur at Sabina Park..and it had nothing to do with the pitch
.
Dujon has kept to Holding and Patto in their primes - Duj rates Patto as the quickest he has kept to by some distance
Another data point - Tony Cozier who covered the 75/76 series when Thommo was at his quickest rated Patto as the quickest he saw ever
camos
2022-01-07 17:33:05
The fastest bowler is either Patto or Sly Clarke.
Dukes
2022-01-07 17:48:04
In reply to FanAttick
Dujon DID NOT keep to Holding at his fastest which was 1976
camos
2022-01-07 17:53:13
In reply to Dukes
Hard to think Michael Holding would be at his fastest at 22 ?
StumpCam
2022-01-07 17:53:47
In reply to camos
Thought the fastest bowlers were the ones that benefited from the backfoot rule!
hubert
2022-01-07 18:12:06
In reply to StumpCam
The quickest I saw was ...Roy Gilchrist.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 18:34:47
In reply to Dukes
Dujon DID NOT keep to Holding at his fastest which was 1976
Nonsense
Along with Desmond Lewis, Renford Pinnock and Anthony Campbell. Duj kept to Holding sporadically in Shell Shield in the mid 70s
.
Brerzerk
2022-01-07 18:54:32
I suspect you could be wrong. Many times Dujon was 'kept' from keeping for JA pun intended. I also doubt very much Duj kept to Holding at his fastest. Let us forage through the match lists and see
FanAttick
2022-01-07 19:22:51
In reply to Brerzerk
Here you go
By the way. - Holding was at his fastest in 1981
Here it is from the horses mouth
camos
2022-01-07 19:46:58
In reply to FanAttick
80-81 sounds about right.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 19:48:07
In reply to camos
80-81 sounds about right.
Indeed.
That legendary over to Boycott was in 1981
.
Raggs
2022-01-07 19:57:23
I honestly think a fit Ian Bishop was quicker than the lot. But Michael Holding was the quickest as far as sustained accurate deliveries are concerned.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 20:02:24
In reply to Raggs
I honestly think a fit Ian Bishop was quicker than the lot. But Michael Holding was the quickest as far as sustained accurate deliveries are concerned.
I saw Bishop in his prime
not even close
The quickest West Indian bowlers for me(at their peak) were Patterson, Holding and Marshall in that order
.
The one thing I can say about Bishop is that he had the uncanny ability to get steepling bounce off a good length
for a guy who wasnt the tallest
.
Raggs
2022-01-07 20:15:33
By the age of 26, serious back problems had twice brought a halt to one of the most promising fast-bowling careers. From a long straight hustling run and orthodox side-on action Ian Bishop was fast, showing the sort of pace that makes a crowd gasp as the ball thuds into the gloves of a keeper seemingly in another time-zone.
So said Cricinfo
FanAttick
2022-01-07 20:33:31
In reply to Raggs
Bishops peak was between 1988-1991(I watched him live and in living color)
.he was quick..but not in the league of Patto, Mikey and Marshall
.
Raggs
2022-01-07 20:40:49
In reply to FanAttick
Bishops peak was between 1988-1991(I watched him live and in living color)
.he was quick..but not in the league of Patto, Mikey and Marsh
fair enough. I saw him as a new sensation bowl a few overs at queen parks oval via sky sports I must add, wasn't at the ground in a game ruined by rain. in my tv viewing seat, those overs were super ultra rapid.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 20:42:05
In reply to Raggs
The one thing I must say that if not for the back injuries Bishop would have ended his career with a minimum of 500 test wickets
Raggs
2022-01-07 20:43:44
In reply to FanAttick
The one thing I must say that if not for the back injuries Bishop would have ended his career with a minimum of 500 test wickets
he was indeed a serious talent
imusic
2022-01-07 20:49:50
In reply to FanAttick
Another data point - Tony Cozier who covered the 75/76 series when Thommo was at his quickest rated Patto as the quickest he saw ever
COZIER SAID WHAT?
PP: Whats the fastest spell or the most intimidating spell of pace bowling that youve ever commentated on?
TC: I think it was , in Barbados in the Test match in 1978 when Australia came to West Indies with their back up players. He was the only one of the established Australians who came because he hadnt yet signed a contract with World Series Cricket. They were badly beaten in the first Test match in Port of Spain.
In Barbados, Australia were bowled out for about 180 and that left the West Indies about an hour and a half's batting before the close of play. It was Thomson from one end and from the other end it was Wayne Clark, a medium pace swing bowler.
Thomson really generated enormous pace with some hostility. He got the wickets of Greenidge, Richards and Kallicharran and there were thrilling confrontations between himself and Richards, as you would imagine. Eventually he got Richards .
Maybe Viv said Patto was the fastest West Indian bowler he faced. Viv was in Oz in 75/76 and was on the receiving end of that onslaught in 1978 at Kensington Oval
Dukes
2022-01-07 20:52:11
In reply to camos
When do you think Dennis Lillee was at his fastest?
camos
2022-01-07 21:01:40
In reply to Dukes
between age 26- 29.
FanAttick
2022-01-07 21:09:18
In reply to imusic
Maybe Viv said Patto was the fastest West Indian bowler he faced. Viv was in Oz in 75/76 and was on the receiving end of that onslaught in 1978 at Kensington Oval
I have Cozier on tape saying Patto was the fastest he has seen..maybe by 2013 his memory wasnt so great..
Long-time West Indian commentator, the late Tony Cozier, who would have seen most of the game's express bowlers going back to the 1950s, said Patterson could bowl a cricket ball as fast as any man ever has, and favourable comparisons to the brutally quick Jeff Thomson were not unfounded.
Wicketkeeper Jeffrey Dujon said, of all the bowlers to whom he kept wicket, Patterson hit his gloves the hardest. Dujon, it must be remembered, kept wicket to Michael Holding, Malcolm Marshall, Andy Roberts, Curtly Ambrose, Sylvester Clarke, and Ian Bishop.
imusic
2022-01-07 21:54:54
Was Patto faster than Shoaib?
Shoaib is near universally acknowledged as the fastest bowler to ever play the game.
Other speed merchants in my time
.. besides the West Indians
Mitchell forkane Johnson. He was just mean
Mitchell Starc
Waqar Younis
Wasim Akram (not consistently fast
but when he decided to bowl fast, was as quick as anyone)
Harmison
Brett Lee
Dennis Lillee
Allan Donald
hubert
2022-01-07 21:59:55
In reply to imusic
Never saw Shoaib in flesh on the field,,but I would agree that no one ever bowled faster than him based
on video though that medium can distort.
JoeGrine
2022-01-07 22:04:28
In reply to imusic
Wouldn't Adam Milne be in that lot?
FanAttick
2022-01-07 23:34:09
Brerzerk
2022-01-08 03:57:25
In reply to FanAttick
Lawrence Rowe recounts Holding at Perth in '79 (Packer) as the fastest spell of bowling he ever saw.
He said the great slip cordon of Lloyd, Greenidge, Viv n himself kept saying Lord if he knicks it let it
go to the keeper!
grugru
2022-01-08 12:48:06
Cant remember which match but I will never forget the radio commentators words about Patterson who was being hit all over the field by the English batsmen the penny has not dropped, the lesson has not been learnt
Baje
2022-01-08 13:47:29
I have seen lots of fast bowlers at Kensington oval. Thommo Holding Marshall Fidel Patterson. The fastest bowler I have ever seen was Shaun Taitt. After one spell in the world cup against a minnow the ICC called and said to slow the wickets down because the world cup was being ruined.
In terms of clocked speed Fidel was the fastest of the Windies bowlers
nissan
2022-01-08 14:46:29
In reply to culpepperboy
Sounds like the '88 encounter
I remember arriving at the Oval (day 1) with what I thought was sufficient time to get in and queue was long long.
Patterson got Greenidge before I could even get in. You could hear the buzz from the crowd as he ran in.
Great stuff