Jamaican nationality is typically obtained either on the principle of jus soli, i.e. by birth in Jamaica; or under the rules of jus sanguinis, i.e. by birth abroad to parents with Jamaican nationality.
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Jamaican nationality
In reply to nitro
Now, what has brought this on? The (Chinese) Jamaican woman going off on Youtube?
In reply to JahJah
Recent comments by a former Reggae Boyz coach, Bradley Stewart calling UK born players garbage and rejects. A sports reporter on RJR this morning. Think his name is Renardo saying youths of Jamaican born parents are not Jamaicans.
Some other punks on social media who are against overseas born players repping the RBZ.
In reply to nitro
It is also obtained by residency - five years.
Jamaica will never compete in a WC with foreign born mediocre players. On the other hand, those we develop from the base thrive on foreign teams.
Until we can keep our best youths and really focus on meaningful development, we are going nowhere.
Market before society - same as cricket.
In reply to Chrissy
Mediocre players, local or overseas should not be in the team period. Choose the best available players no matter where they are born.
In reply to nitro
These are just echos of a very pervasive thought in Jamaica, send unnh money but keep your ideas!
In reply to camos
I agree
those foreigners arent Yardies unless they send barrels and Western Union
Its the no representation without taxation mantra
I was watching the Reggae Boyz U17 made up primarily of home grown talent playing in the Concacaf U17 Championship and it was depressing
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Not surprising that they were knocked out by Guatemala
no problem at all - local club owners get to put their product in the shop window ..so who cares if they dont make it
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In reply to nitro
I am disappointed in this statement by Stewart, a guy I know from my area of Trelawny. How many Jamaica based players can play on the teams these rejects are playing on?
In reply to FanAttick
The national teams should not be used to develop players but to qualify for tournaments that bring money in the JFF pocket. That money can then be used for development.
Craig Butler built Leon Bailey and Whisper without them ever playing for any Jamaican team.
In reply to camos
Those comments were not much better than Trump calling immigrants S Holes.
In reply to FanAttick
Puerto Rico just beat big bad Costa Rica with a lot of players born in the USA to advance in said U17 WCQ. Other nations are doing it. Look at Morocco, Senegal, Ghana and Tunisia at the last World Cup.
In reply to nitro
US did that for years to qualify for the World Cup finals.
This world has too many Xenophobes/Nativists.
Nationality/Citizenship is through birth, heritage (nuff overseas players have only a Jamaican Grandparent), Residency and Marriage.
In reply to nitro
So... Seaga was Jamaican??
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Caribbean folks should get apprised of non USA, Canada & the UK immigration & citizenship laws! Let your child or children be born on certain soil...the authorities would quickly 'put you in your place' (Guyneez expression) & let you know that your scion's citizenship is that of yours! Fool stop.
In reply to Ewart
I think one of his parent was a Jamaican. If so, then yes he would be.
Why choose a polarizing figure? Why not Sheryl Lee Ralph?
In reply to Ewart
Every time I think about that I realized the stupidity of Jamaicas politics - man nuh born a yard shouldnt be made Prime Minister!
In reply to XDFIX
The major contributors to the Jamaican constitution were foreigners; was amazed to be told that if a Commonwealth citizen lives in Jamaica for a year he can vote. This when Jamaicans need visas to visit some commonwealth countries.
In reply to Ewart
Was George Headley a Jamaican?
Cindy Breakspeare - Canada
Rita Marley - Cuba
Stephen Marley - America
All these people not Jamaicans ?
In reply to camos
One of the reasons why I do what I do is the realization that Jamaica and Guyana have so many commonalities it is astonishing..
We have the same problem with the tensions between locals and the Diaspora,even though JA is doing better with co-operation between the two.
In reply to Chrissy You should find this one funny. My two daughters were born in Jamaica of a Trinidadian mother (my wife). Both attended primary school in Trinidad late 1980s and early 1990s. Early in their school life there, a teacher took it upon herself to determine that they were not Trinidadians and not eligible to attend school there.
My mother-in-law got wind of the situation and took their passports (Trinidad & Tobago) to the Headmaster , who promptly called the teacher to the office in the presence of my mother-in-law. And waved both passports in the face of the teacher ...'You see these ,they are Trinidad and Tobago citizens''. As we say in Jamaica "argument done".
You know back in the 90s when we werent winning any short sprint medals (men) of note had Ari said Im running for JA Dem woulda jump up and embrace him? Its ok to tel but mug acknowledge.
In reply to Brerzerk Jamaica has never been short on insularity. Lloyd LaBeach was born in Panama of Jamaican parents,other brothers were born in Jamaica . Lloyd went to school in Jamaica learnt the sprinting trade in Jamaica.Time came to select the Jamaica team for 1948. Outcry, LaBeach is not Jamaican he was not born here. Man then opted to represent Panama. There goes what should have been Jamaica's first Olympic medal, to Panama 100 meters London 1948.
In reply to alfa1975
That's real history, Bro. Headley was born in Panama also to a Jamaican mother and Barbadian father and
grew up in Kingston from a tender age and was always considered a Jamaican..I guess cricket and
Track and Field had a difference of opinion or Lloydie was a threat to someone's spot on the team
In reply to hubert Word is that Headley was sent back to learn English & then stayed.
In reply to hubert
Didnt one LaBeach rep Yard and 1 Panama, even twins perhaps?
Someone long ago told me theres an autobio but never got around to it
In reply to Brerzerk The brother who represented Jamaica was one of the alternates for the 4x400 at Helsinki in 1952. He was also a sprinter reaching the quarter finals of 100 meters at Helsinki.
I remember reading about this Olympian who lived in Co Op City , in the Bronx and had won a gold medal in the games. .I think that is the brother
In reply to camos
In reply to nitro
I know her mother and her brother. She was never Prime Minister.
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wonder if Stewart thinks the Reggae Girls should not use overseas players?
In reply to nitro
In reply to BeatDball
The fact is his mother sent him to Jamaica to grow up. Learning English was part of it of course as the parents
wanted him on an english environment as they never intended o remain in Panama all their lives.
The USA was also on their radar and cricket intervened at an opportune time as George was headed to the USA also.
In reply to birdseye
Like I said before I know the guy, he has two sons that played the game also; at Harbourview and in some not too popular leagues overseas. His statement is very a poor reflection.
In reply to camos
Really disappointed in Bradley's 'garbage' comment. Shameful and from a former national coach at that.
In reply to camos
Sorry for them because a number of these players under 20yrs have or almost completed their Jamaican passport including the Chelsea duo of Omari Hutchinson and Malik Mothersille as well as Dexter Lembikisa of Wolves.
In reply to nitro
The more I think about the statement, the madder I get, you have guys playing USL Championship who get called up for Jamaica senior team and Stewart is dissing EPL players!
In reply to camos
What is worse is some youngsters before having any idea how their careers might pan-out commit to Jamaica from youth stage.
What are those youngsters to think after hearing that?
"In modern countries, there are a lot of protections for women and children, and we are looking to pick up those discarded people, the same way we deny our local players an opportunity for foreign players that are not much better than what we have. I am kind of disappointed in that."
http://jamaica-star.com/article/sports/20230210/no-reggae-boyz-recruitment-greenwood-%E2%80%93-stewart#slideshow-1
His comments are somewhat incoherent, but I think it's clear that he wasn't calling foreign-born players garbage in anything but a figurative sense.
In reply to camos
wonder if Stewart thinks the Reggae Girls should not use overseas players?
Curiously, do the Reggae Girls command large transfer fees?
In reply to JoeGrine
No to your question, but you would think that exposure to tougher players would help local talent to improve. In the end generating more transfer money.
In reply to camos
Not necessarily the case with Stewart (or Leebert Halliman, who uttered even more ridiculous statements about overseas Jamaican players) but more often than not, it is about the transfer fee, hence you don't see much hue and cry on the women's side of things.
In reply to JoeGrine Player value and abilities often varies among coaches but if a guy is not making the Jamaica team because of the presence of these overseas players, what are his chances in an overseas league? Are these even of MLS quality?
In reply to camos
Better you direct your question to the delusional coaches and some of the fans.
Actually what he seemed to be saying was that these " discarded foreign born" players were selected on THAT basis not on their quality. So a local player of similar quality is not selected because the foreign born player is chosen becsuse he is foreign born not because he is any good. I think there is some merit to this given the quality of some of the selections over the years. We are not going to be successful replacing mediocre locals with mediocre overseas professionals. It HAS NOT WORKED.
In reply to michaelmax
This is saying our local leagues are of the same standard as the leagues in England that these players are comming from?
In reply to michaelmax
In my opinion the poor management by the JFF is the major reason we have failed since 1998. As coach Halgrimson said earlier this week, our facilties are so poor even Lionel Messi would become ordinary playing locally. The JFF had very few camps after 1998 except around Gold Cup time and resulted in us even reaching two finals. There are other major issues with travelling and accomodation. In addition to very poor coaches.
This new coach is a straight talker. He has already said the players he calls now must be better than what he has already. This guy will not pick any mediocre player, local or overseas.
In reply to michaelmax
By the way bro the narrative that we have used a lot of UK born players vs local born players is a myth. See the number of UK born players used in each world cup cycle since 1998.
YEAR LOCAL BORN UK BORN Total
2002 39 9 48
2006 39 10 49
2010 42 7 49
2014 35 10 45
2018 28 9 37
2022 30 18 48
TOTAL 213 63 276
In total we have used a squad total of 276 players of which 63 or 23% were UK born players.
2022 we used the most players and that was 18 (38%) of the 48 players used. Poor leadership by the government, JFF and the coaches (Tappa and Hall) negatively impacted a team that should have qualified.
In reply to nitro
Undoubtedly. My point is we have tended to go with local born and local born overseas professionals then as it gets down to qualifiers we go for a whole bunch of UK born ballers-some of dubious quality and then throw them all together expecting it to work. We need a plan, good organization on and off the field and a cadre of committed players. We can't continously cycle through so many players we have no idea what our best 11 or best 11 according to opponents is.
In reply to michaelmax
I think there is some merit to this given the quality of some of the selections over the years. We are not going to be successful replacing mediocre locals with mediocre overseas professionals. It HAS NOT WORKED.
1) By what barometer do you determine "mediocre"?
2) Having overseas professionals being coached by inept coaches it will not work.
In reply to JoeGrine
Let's be honest we have selected a number of players who simply couldn't cut it in CONCACAF in a non tournament scenario such as World Cup qualifues from Schaefer's time onward. So while we have had poor coaches, JFF nonsense, we have had mediocre overseas professionals as well.
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