Had Shai Hope scored runs at his overall ODI SR of 75 today he would have scored 86 runs.

West Indies would have scored 293 runs. Instead, we scored 335...42 runs to the good.

This has provided the other batsmed to take less risks and the team now has a lot more cushion when we bowl.

It shows the value of him and today's front line batsmen middle order batsmen scoring at striking rates of over 80 and finishers over 100 in modern ODI and that's the point I am making.

It's a pity that the nuances and stats escape some of us.

In reply to Courtesy

I will pull up a chair.



So let us get rid of Shai Hope and keep all the players who average 40 with the bat at a healthy strike rate.

That sir is nuances escaping some of us.

In reply to nick2020

You are being simplistic at best and not nuanced. I have never hinted at dropping Shai Hope and no reasonable man would interpret the thread in this manner.

Stop tinking with your bottom and making an ass of yourself.

A five year old would understand this thread.

In reply to Courtesy



Lol…was just thinking that post was exceedingly infantile.

In reply to Discourse



I never even hinted at dropping Hope.

In reply to Courtesy

I always thought the indictment was on the ice cream man management team and their strategy to subdue arguably the best batsman in the Caribbean and to temper him into a poking ODI opener. That was wrong. It didn't take new management long to figure that out. Now I could enjoy some of what this guy had indeed promised, win or lose.


Test next!

In reply to Courtesy

I was being figurative not literal.

Shai Hope's career SR is 75. Up to this point in his career that is who he is more often than a 115 SR cricketer.

Agreed?



So if he fails to score at a striking rate of over 80, which given a large enough sample size he does not, then what value does he have in your opinion?

I will leave it at this and wait for your response.

In reply to nick2020


Is that being figurative above? Man you are better than this.

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In today's ODI, you front load load and back load the innings. You can figure out the ideal rate of the anchor person to consistently score over 320.

In reply to Courtesy

So onto the questions I asked?

In reply to nick2020


Are you dunce? The above is pellucidly clear. Do you want me to pap feed you?

Shai needs to up his usual SR to above 80 while others who bat around do the heavy lifgting.

In reply to Courtesy

I have to head out to the interior in a query to find oil.

I will check in periodically to see if you have responded to his value as a front line batsman who has a strike rate lower than 80.

I am not running from the fight. Yet.

In reply to nick2020

No more wasting time with you. This is kindergarten stuff.

In reply to Courtesy



He has played plenty of cricket and his average is 75.

In reply to Courtesy



I predicted this response. I was hoping I was wrong.

Shai Hope has played in 104 ODI matches and his SR is 75. Your response is he needs to up his strike rate. After 102 matches and 99 inns?

Really?



This is a non-position. You are not making any substantial point given the reality of the numbers. I rather not advance what position you are trying to establish because you much prefer to ridicule others to appear you are intellectually superior.

But that is not intellectual superiority. Nor is hanging on to one thing instead of debating the substance of the topic.

I tried.

Good luck.

We're beginning to see how vital that Shai Hope big step up today is.

Dat 42 runs cushion was very important.

Most of our bowlers bowled crap.

Stats don’t always tell the whole story in cricket, probably other sports too but I can speak of cricket.

In reply to Courtesy
I did not see your post and the consequent thread before I posted.
If I did there'd be absolutely no point in making the same point (pun intended)

We ALL need to be objective when weaknesses are pointed out especially if accompanied
with data and suggested corrective measures.

In reply to Courtesy

we have some oldies to remind us

exhibit 1

Exhibit 2

Exhibit 3

Exhibit 4 - the Doosra / Courtesy Method

more

even more

and moreeeee

there is a common theme

and yes Shai Hope's strike rate and dot balls probably the most consistently talked about odi problem on this board

In reply to doosra

Thanks for look back.

I hope the fundamental point does not escape the lesser mortals.

In reply to Brerzerk

Totally agree.

Education should provide us with the power of reasoning.

In reply to Courtesy

it is simple...at SR of 80 in the modern day when you bad half the resources will not get you far

all the data points to that

onward we go...not too late

In reply to doosra

nick2020 stood on his hind legs but still did not reach the point.

In reply to Courtesy

Nick din go cowmare?

In reply to doosra

Nick must have held his own fuh dis 2 prong attack