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I know why so many Latino men voted for Trump.

sgtdjones 11/7/24, 1:23:07 AM
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I know why so many Latino men voted for Trump.

But I’ve never felt entirely at home in the Democratic Party. Maybe because after I graduated from a prestigious university and moved to Washington, I realized that a lot of Democrats inside the political machine lived in a bubble disconnected from the needs of real people. But another reason: my parents were Republicans for much of my youth.Notice what I did not mention in these reasons for our political persuasion, despite being Latino: immigration. That’s because, at least on my mom’s side, our family moved here 100 years ago. This was before there was such a thing as legal and illegal immigration; according to my late grandmother, her parents paid just a penny to cross the US-Mexico border. It’s not to say we didn’t care about the issue. But it was more that it was in the rearview mirror for us.That was why, of all the big shocks during Election Night, the hard shift of Latino voters to Donald Trump did not surprise me in the least. The speed at which it came to pass may have surprised me, but the fact it happened did not.

The warning signs were there. A few weeks ago, a USA Today/Suffolk University poll found that a majority of Latino men between the ages of 18 to 34 supported Trump.But it looks like was either all for naught or that Democrats simply didn’t reach out to them in the ways that matter. People who follow me on social media know I tend not to trust exit polls. But heavily Latino counties speak for themselves.But the results from last night show this is simply not true. Survey after survey shows that Latinos vote more with their pocketbooks than on immigration. UnidosUS also showed that in every swing state, the cost of living ranked high for Latinos, even as many of them broke for Harris.And it’s not just in border counties either. Take for example Osceola County, Florida, which has plenty of Puerto Ricans. Many Democrats thought that comedian Tony Hinchcliffe’s joke about Puerto Rico being a “floating island of garbage” would enrage Puerto Ricans living in the mainland United States. That proved not to be the case. Instead, Osceola went from voting for Joe Biden by 14 points to voting for Trump by 1.5 points.

This should be seen as an apocalyptic moment for Democrats that brings forward a reckoning. At their core, the Democratic Party will need to regain its focus on being the party that enables prosperity above all else if it is to have any kind of fighting chance at winning back Latinos from Trump.
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dayne 11/7/24, 3:07:01 AM
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American voters are logically incoherent, one Party is offering programs to help the average person, healthcare, social services and help for first-time house buyers, the other Party in just offering tax cuts but they are going to try to cut many of the benefits of Medicare, Social security, cut the employment of public servants, and school teachers. Guess what, the voters chose the Party that has only tax cuts to offer.
Brerzerk 11/7/24, 6:23:22 AM
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How different is that from complaining about the price of eggs up by $1/doz but ignoring that the hot economy gave them a raise where many eggs can be bought by an hour's wage increase? Dem good yes. Oh, gay book reading. It has been happening for yrs before someone protested.
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velo 11/7/24, 10:19:12 AM
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there is a lot of colourism and prejeudice in the latino community and the white or white passing ones will have problems voting for a black candidate ive seen that in the states and latin america .what goes on at the border is not a top priority when they go to the polls they will vote with diferent interests. because they live diferent realities in america puerto ricans on the island are citizens but in a limited way. cubans already have special status once they reach the american mainland .some well off mexicans in california and texas their famillies have lived in america before america even existed tend to look down on ones who recently arrived illegally then add in the central americans .
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DukeStreet 11/7/24, 11:48:53 AM
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It's not the PROMISE that's important. It's what's happening and has been happening. People can't afford the high prices of stuff like they used to. Reality is a b*&%C
Prako 11/7/24, 12:49:17 PM
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American voters are logically incoherent, one Party is offering programs to help the average person, healthcare, social services and help for first-time house buyers, the other Party in just offering tax cuts but they are going to try to cut many of the benefits of Medicare, Social security, cut the employment of public servants, and school teachers. Guess what, the voters chose the Party that has only tax cuts to offer.


Why are you so pro-social programs? Man get your tail to work and stop begging for handouts. This is what has California and all the LGBTY(whatever letter you want to add) States in so much Tax debt.

Work for your money and stop the laziness.
carl0002 11/7/24, 3:47:16 PM
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velo

That's why a lot of these prognosticatos is just bs to justify their voting for the criminal rapist. I have friend in Florida that owns a landscaping company and he cant find people to work, I ask him what about all those Hispanics and Latinos that the Republicans claim streaming across the border. The dude told me that latinos/hispanics will not work for a black person. Period. They just did not want to vote for a black female president no matter what she offered up. So a lot of this post analysis about having nothing to offer latinos or having a space for Latinos is just plain straight up excuse they offering up for their own colorism. Because the same president that they voted for called them garbage, tell them breed up like rats and straight up promised to mass deport their ass, while not offering an inkling of policies that would support their issues, while the other candidate had. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Runs 11/7/24, 3:52:23 PM
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Dems failed in messaging to the electorate, imagine a publication such as the Economist was touting how great the US economy is doing, the envy of the world. The GOP managed to do the opposite and convinced people it was not so by their superior social media, multiple podcasts, these reached millions and tv surrogates. Rush was not missed.
They only needed this to get to the vast amount of low information voters to win.
Of course the college educated knew this was false and it showed in the numbers. For a democracy to truly be great it needs a highly educated populace, the US is far from there.
Of course the famous go to during elections in scapegoating immigrants always works.
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Cricket_101 11/7/24, 3:58:20 PM
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Latinos voted for the Clown so that he can deport them... lol
DukeStreet 11/7/24, 4:03:33 PM
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I think people need to understand that people who are voting don't really give 2 shits about the border jumpers. The latinos voting don't care if Trump deports 1 billion border jumpers. It would make life easier for them in the long run. Some of allyuh need to think before commenting.
carl0002 11/7/24, 4:05:14 PM
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Listen how many of the low information voter would be reading the economist? And low info voter only watch Fox news and News Max, how you penitrate that wall. Trump Campaign ran 60 million ads on Trans Gender during the PAC 10 football games. Harris campaign tried to counter with an ad blitz explaining that the policy that Trump attributed to Harris actually started under Trump administration. It was his administration that did it. PAC 10 would not have it. What do you do? The people were impervious to the truth and their is hardly anything one can do when people are so willing to believe a lie.

Even Twitter started amplifying the lies and suppressing the truth. Been on Twitter recently, its a cesspool of garbage and rightwing propaganda that is worse than the floating island of garbage called Puerto Rico and chief spreader of misinformation is no other than Elon Musk himself.
Runs 11/7/24, 4:06:39 PM
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Spot on, they have to build their media network in order to reach these people. Sinclair has rights to that demographic market and Fox News is on all day, some of the more mainstream channels are not even available. I travel a lot, the channels in the restaurants and hotels are overwhelmingly Fox.
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WI_cricfan 11/7/24, 4:09:44 PM
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Dems failed in messaging to the electorate, imagine a publication such as the Economist was touting how great the US economy is doing, the envy of the world. The GOP managed to do the opposite and convinced people it was not so by their superior social media, multiple podcasts, these reached millions and tv surrogates. Rush was not missed.
They only needed this to get to the vast amount of low information voters to win.
Of course the college educated knew this was false and it showed in the numbers. For a democracy to truly be great it needs a highly educated populace, the US is far from there.
Of course the famous go to during elections in scapegoating immigrants always works.


And here I was thinking you predicted Harris will win. SO much for the Educated.

While a lowly peasant like me predicted Trump will win.

What a thing eh!.

Don't bother respond cause I stopped responding to low value posters.
Runs 11/7/24, 4:11:02 PM
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Hey I was wrong, I own that, pat yourself on the back for being correct if that inflates your ego, seems as if it needs a boost.
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Cricket_101 11/7/24, 4:21:32 PM
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In reply to DukeStreet

Some of allyuh need to think before commenting.


Latinos that voted for the Clown are dumb uneducated magas...
googley 11/7/24, 4:23:43 PM
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The dude told me that latinos/hispanics will not work for a black person.


Ask him to explain why 67/71% voted for Obama in both of his victory.

Maybe the people he was asking belonged to the other 30%?
googley 11/7/24, 4:27:30 PM
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Dems failed in messaging


Bigly!!! This has been their weakness since Bill Clinton left the office.
Runs 11/7/24, 4:33:01 PM
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I was appalled people were criticizing the economy even before the election despite the stats saying the opposite and Biden’s failure in being able to get that across. She inherited that and it led to her defeat. The GOP pushed lies and falsehoods about it in their vast echo chambers and it worked. Now they will take all the credit for it.
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dayne 11/7/24, 4:37:38 PM
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Well, at the moment I do not receive any social programs, but I am mentioning social programs because many people are dependent on social programs, even tax cut for the millionaires is a social program. America and Canada are expensive places to live. The dominant ethnic group in America got where they are because of a social program that ran for centuries, the program was enslavement of others, benefitting from free labor. However, the Hispanic men who gifted Trump with their votes will pay the price, just wait and see. When the deportations start, most people that look like a Hispanic person will be harassed.
Brerzerk 11/7/24, 5:01:44 PM
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Perception and or lies and anger, for almost every single Murcan wage increases far outpaced inflation last 4yrs
hubert 11/7/24, 5:36:55 PM
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One of the biggest mistake people make is to lump Hispanics in the same box.
There are differences among that group that outdo similarities. The common thing is the
language but Puerto Ricans ,Cubans and Mexicans have their individual idiosyncrasies as well
and cultural outlook even in a melting pot of America.

The Mexican Americans will differ on colorisation and there is a certain prejudice against
the negro man. Puerto Ricans and post revolutionist Cubans less, so but all see the black as inferior
within their orbit.
I find more genuineness in the Ricans that are in Philadelphia and they seem more attuned to
sameness mixing than those that reside outside of the City in such places as Allentown etc.
They do relate to the Blacks in Philly pretty well because of the similar circumstances and most
I know and deal are (were ?) democrats.
But the common grievance among all is the lack of economic health although the Puerto Ricans
always seem to do better and mix with Blacks especially Jamaicans on a good level.
I cannot speak to other Hispanics from Central America or South America but i guess they have
their uniqueness and circumstances also.
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Runs 11/7/24, 6:41:30 PM
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Let us see the king of bs, impose tariffs, deport millions, cut taxes for the super rich and still keep inflation down. I am no Economist, but common sense tells me these will lead to inflation. Sold peeps a pipe dream eggs and milk prices will return to $1.
Good luck to him, hope they remember as well as they did in 2016.
sgtdjones 11/7/24, 7:52:40 PM
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Don't bother respond cause I stopped responding to low value posters.


The administrator of this site, Arawak, classified me as a low-value poster during a discussion I had with him on a thread.

I am the only one with such a designation on this site; the rest are pseudo intellect's. cool
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