Lloyd unhappy with ICC 2-Tier Test plan

Lloyd unhappy with ICC 2-Tier Test plan

Former West Indies captain Sir Clive Lloyd is not happy with the suggestion made by former International Cricket Council (ICC) chairman Greg Barclay that the West Indies be disbanded and play as individual countries.
“We don’t have the people to sustain that,” Lloyd told sports journalists.Speaking virtually during a media interaction from Guyana Monday, Lloyd, widely regarded as the best-ever West Indies captain, said despite this region’s small population when compared to India, Australia and England, West Indies have done excellent in the past.

“We have a great history and now you’re going to tell us because of a monetary situation, (we should be disbanded),” he said.
Lloyd linked the unequal disbursement of funds by the ICC to the countries for the disparity in performances.
He noted the big three countries (India, England and Australia) get as much as US$180 million while the other teams get US$80 million.

“You could imagine they’re talking about dismantling the West Indies, that is not the way to go. The way to go is to give them (West Indies and other teams) the same amount of money so they can improve their facilities, get better systems in place so that they can improve their cricket.”
Lloyd unhappy with Two Tier Test

In reply to sgtdjones

i agree with C Lloyd
but if we got 180m wouldnt our administrators waste it and give it to their friends ?

In reply to allan


exactly

we are our own worst enemies

In reply to allan

i'm just surprised nobody was really watching what had been going on in WI cricket, so the variety of ignorant responses coming from sky and co is quite shocking. I compartmentalize WI cricket's downfall into 3 distinctions, each which had long lasting effects

1. The failure to appoint Desmond Haynes as captain. We can all agree the discipline went when he missed that appointment. Lara mentions it specifically in his book.

2. The failure to capitalize on the first broadcasting of cricket from the west Indies by SKY, TWI etc. CWI must have made some money from that and we have no idea where it went....it could not be hat it went solely into paying bills. Also, during the entirety of the 15 year unbeaten run, the touring side used to get a portion of the gate receipts and broadcast revenue. In fact Jeffrey Stollmeyer in his capacity as WICBC president said the 79/80 visit by the WI to australia saved the board from insolvency. You can't tell me the #1 side did not make any money from cricket. Whatever money was made did not go into talent development i can guarantee

3. The destruction of Chris Gayle's team. Gayle's side had showed real promise and had started to deliver results(drawn series vs murali and co, odi series win in england, not losing a series in nz for 13 years, winning a wisden trophy for the first time in 11 years, first and only test win in SA). If Gayle had stayed on as captain for the next four or five years after 2010, he could have had a bowling attack that had taylor, roach, rampaul and shannon gabriel. and their understudies would have been holder, alzarri and Oshane Thomas with seales and shamar coming later on. the batting could have had sarwan, bharath, dwayne bravo, shiv chandepaul with their understudies as darren bravo, shai hope and shimron hetmeyer. none of the new players would have come into a situation where their were no seniors and they were learning on the job. with the idiocy of the 2010-2019 administrations, those opportunities were lost

you can't make such poor decisions all the time and expect to not face some sort of negative consequence

In reply to Jumpstart

great points
the mismanagement of Darren Bravo, Rampaul and Taylor needs to be studied how countries arent to waste their resources
even with IPL, we were offered a share at the beginning and they (administrators) didn't see the foresight to consider it

In reply to Jumpstart

In reply to allan




Inclusive of Sarwan bowling him at more than 12 consecutive overs on the trot.

In reply to allan

longest suicide in history

In reply to JoeGrine

shimron is an extremely talented batsman homes. he was unfortunate to be selected into a WI side full of OJTs and captained by an OJT. imagine a young impressionable brian lara debuting in a side captained by carl hooper in 1990.

In reply to allan




is they same thing if APNU/AFC IS GOVERMENT IN GUYANA

In reply to allan

boy CWI so shamefully backward. you remember when they ask sarwan and lara, 3 weeks before bumrah and shami visited the caribbean to work on our batsman..........what de hell yuh think they can achieve in 3 weeks..........yuh can't cram for cricket like yuh could cram for an exam

In reply to Jumpstart

Speaking of resources, I don't understand how come CPL is not run by CWI? In every other test playing country, the T20 league is controlled by the board and the money from T20 league supports test team and player development. Just see how SA are using SA20 to fund their test team. Why is CPL not controlled and run by CWI? If CPL was with CWI, CPL would have provided vital money to support the entire cricket ecosystem in WI.

BCCI is making ton of money from IPL as another example.

In reply to kapil_dev



look what they doing to WI cricket, you think they can run the CPL?

dem cyan run a cake shop!!!!

In reply to kapil_dev



Hunte and Hillaire sold the rights to T20 in the Caribbean to CPL.
CWI cannot run a T20 tournament without permission from the CPL for the next 99 years.

Brilliant leadership.

In reply to googley


boy CWI could destroy a charity through mismanagement

In reply to kapil_dev


they sold it to a private investor for a period of 50 years. CARICOM actually had a summit in Hyatt in Trinidad where the PM of Barbados all but described the deal as predatory. CPL was a knee jerk response to the rampant Trinidad t20 team. Many members of that side were warring with the board(bravo, pollard, narine) together with the other west indian stars(gayle and sarwan, russell wasn't established as yet). I personally think CWI's problem was specifically with Gayle and Sarwan, and they were extremely popular members of the west indies team so they board would have had a serious issue getting the rest of the boys to play for sammy....hence the purge.

In reply to kapil_dev


That is entirely down to Julian Hunte and Ernest Hilaire.

In reply to Jumpstart

Really bad decision on part of Hunt and Hilaire. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I think it is a really bad idea to split the tests into 2 tiers. I am from India. As an Indian, how many times do you want to see India play the same opposition - Australia or England. In the last one year, India already seems to have played Australia half the time (in different formats). It gets boring very soon. If test cricket becomes India playing Australia or England every 6 months, everyone will be bored to death within a few years. The 2 tier system will spell the death of Test cricket not just in WI but everywhere. I am already bored of seeing India or Australia or both in the final of every championship (across formats) in last 1.5 year.

When I was growing up in the 80's, there were 8 teams and they were mostly all competitive with each other. Now we are down to a couple. Cricket will be better if more teams are competitive. It will be more exciting if we did not know the finalists even before the start of a tournament.

In my opinion, all effort should be made to make more teams competitive. It will make cricket more exciting, and more money will follow automatically.

In reply to kapil_dev


If its one thing CWI specializes in is that. They didn't pick haynes because they didn't want another alpha male after clive and viv. Haynes even offered himself up for the AUS series of 1995, which would have been the first unofficial world test championship series since West Indies had played Pakistan in 1993, simply because he had missed part of the WI FC season to play for orange free state in post-apartheid SA. Haynes actually sued cwi over that and won but west indies had already lost to australia by then, ending the 15 year run. And if you look at the scorecards throughout that series, the openers were a constant source of weakness

In reply to allan

There we go again, equating every one in the region to you’r morals.

In reply to sgtdjones

Two- tiers......how planned is important...
There can many terms and conditions......
1.
Top 8 teams plays....
Bottom 8 teams....

2. Promotion of 2 teams & relegation of two teams each test cycle.

3. All tops 8 teams receive same money from ICC
All bottom 8 teams receive same money from ICC

4.Apart from test championship cycle...if two boards arranged to play test against each other can play...but it would be bilateral series not test championship match...

.......

Remember.. Champions Trophy in February...is being played by Top 8 team.....same model...

In reply to Onionman0

i was watching an interview with graeme smith on sky, who is aganst the idea. in fact in that interview he said that cricket needs strong SA and WI teams, but he acknowledged that only 6-7 countries can really afford to host test matches. He also stated, which i didn't know, is despite the success of some of the poorer teams like SA, NZ and SL, those boards all lose money when they host test matches. So while we don't like 2 test match series, how many teams can realistically afford to fund more tests than that? the t20 tournaments for SA, Pakistan and SL subsidize their test summers

In reply to Jumpstart


You flat out lyin!!!!

LICKIT KEEPS TEST CRICKET VIABLE????

Not possible!!

Say it ain’t so homie

In reply to Jumpstart

A competitive West Indies side....is still a big draw for spectators in England, Australia and South Africa...

A single victory after 27 years in Australia against Australia...

Australia wants 3 matches series...

As brand West Indies still has good market...