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If you had to chose one of two bad ass series performances, which one would it be?

In reply to black

This chap...

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Warrican was stellar but I have to give it to Shamar!

In reply to black

Silly question.

Ozzie batsmen and team are ranked higher

In reply to Raskil

So the Aussies would have done better than Pakistan on that spinning pitch?

Didn't that higher ranking team get their asses handed to them by a lesser ranking team?

What is your point again?

In reply to black

Dude. Spinners were always going to take a boatload of wickets on those pitches.

For that reason I rank Kraigg's second innings 50 a better performance than Warrican's bowling.

Shamar's performance on that entire tour of Oz was the stuff of legend. Especially on that final day when he wasn't even supposed to play because of the toe injury.

In reply to SnoopDog

There you go with that BS.

Wouldn't a spinning pitch make the good spinners even better?

Why didn't Motie do better?

Just making a point, I actually like Motie.

Shamar, the world was glued in on the action.

Few people outside of WI and Pakistan even know there was a test series going on in Pakistan ....

In reply to Kay


But, does that make the performance more or less, better?

In reply to black

Motie didn't take as many wickets as the other spinners took them.

Repeat. Spinners were always going to take wickets on those pitches. So it wasn't remarkable that Warrican was the spinner who took the most for the West Indies any more than it wasn't remarkable that Sajid Khan took the most for Pakistan.

I put more value on batting performances on tracks like we saw in Pak. You had world class batters like Babar Azam and Rizwan struggling to score on those wickets.

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In reply to SnoopDog

Look, the guy didn't just take wickets, he dominated batsmen. More so than Sajid, Noman and Motie.

In reply to black

Let him dominate batsmen on not so friendly curry powder spinning tracks and then I may consider it somewhat on par with Shamar's performance.

In reply to SnoopDog

Let him do it with a busted toe too... gotta be on something special to think Warrican performance is on par with what Shamar did in OZ.

In reply to anthonyp

I mentioned the busted toe. He showed up that morning of the Test match without his kit because he didn't expect to play.

I'm not knocking Warrican's performance by any means. But he just simply did what any Test class bowler was expected to do in those conditions.

Now, I recall seeing Shane Warne running through sides and bowling guys around their legs and turning the ball square on tracks where no other spinner was getting any significant turn. If Warrican can do that, then he would have my admiration.

Huge respect for Warrican however the Shamar final day is the stuff of legends.
I must have watched the final days highlights 100 times now and it never fails to bring joy to my heart and tears to my eyes.

In reply to black

No disrespect to my Revo Brethren but Shamar by some distance.

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If one were to ask, what would be more improbable??Warrican taking 5fer against Pakistan or Shamar doing likewise against Australia in his debut series?? I think the answer would be Shamar hands down! Plus Australia had a more formidable batting lineup!
I hardly think Warrican’s performance was as electrifying as Shamar’s, that it would be considered memorable!

In reply to black

Warrican bat Innuh…Shamar did bat too but Warrican bat rasta…both were brilliant but I’d say Warrican.

In reply to StumpCam

The numbers don't lie, whether you agree or not.

Shamar by a country mile. However, that takes nothing at all away from Warrican's awesome performance in bowling the right lines and lengths all the way through to a batting team that was at least on paper much better than ours. But Shamar man. That bouncer to Steve Smith. Double golden ducks for Travis Head. that unrelenting pace for such a long period. That first ball wicket of one of the Fab Four of batting. You could not even make that up that story if you had tried.

In reply to Raskil


Dat simple

In reply to Chrissy

No need for a long argument.
The Pakistan batsmen average barely over 40.

In reply to black

Check Shamar stats in down-under.

Closet than I first thought, but I will have to go with Shamar.

Shamar's performance had me giddy with excitement for days but that doesn't mean that Jomel should not be given credit for a great performance.

Give the man credit, even if it's for one day. The man was a master in that series. His variation in speed, height, angle, etc...was unsurpassed by even the best spinners on both sides.

In reply to black

Black,
Nobody is withholding credit from Warrican

You asked an either/or question!

And saying Shamar’s performance against a stronger team on a better pitch, while injured, and bleeding, and not having been best mentally prepared to take the field, is a MORE legendary feat, isn’t taking anything away from what Warrican did.

In reply to Halliwell

Shamar way ahead....if you don't see that, then you don't really know cricket

Put it this way. Who got a huge welcome home celebration and government recognition?

Not sure what is being done for Jomel.

In reply to black

This aged well.

In reply to black

had to be shamar.....australia is a team much, MUCH better than pakistan

And now ICC has settled the debate in favour of Shamar!

In reply to black

If you asked that question you had not been following the test against Australia, Shamar played injured, a performance that will go down in cricket history books.