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Why should a Failed Test Player Captain WI team?

Slipfeeler 3/31/25, 7:47:18 PM
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Fans from a certain Caribbean Island, of course, are requesting to replace West Indies Test Captain Braithwaite with fellow countryman Hope, a Failed Test Player. Without any consideration for Blackwood a former West Indies Test Vice Captain and with higher test averages than many currently playing in the West Indies Team. Of even John Campbell, the former Jamaican and West Indies Test Opener.
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Slipfeeler 3/31/25, 9:47:16 PM
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I guess with WI, anything is possible big grin
dayne 4/1/25, 12:47:18 PM
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WI cricket team leadership could be in chaos this summer, it would be better to select someone in the team to lead the Test team, so I would suggest Hodge be appointed as captain on a short-term basis until the Selectors see more of Imlach's batting at the Test level and to give Imlach more experience in how things are done at the Test level. I don't understand why people are suggesting that DaSilva be given that job, when he was dropped for his inconsistent batting, if they want to give him the job, he should at least play a few Tests as a batsman to see if he could handle that.
Slipfeeler 4/1/25, 1:54:18 PM
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Interesting times ahead, as Hope is an excellent ODI batsman but a very poor Test batsman, considered as a failed test player, so let’s see what unfolds.
nissan 4/1/25, 2:34:36 PM
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There is precedent with Hooper

His 2nd coming wasn't too bad
Jumpstart 4/1/25, 3:50:23 PM
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In reply to nissan

That's debatable. Hooper did indeed do much better after he was given the captaincy.....in two series. And against the attack that would have been the second weakest he'd have faced as captain, India. against SA, SL and nz he was virtually absent. he did very well in the india series, home and away. Did nothing against NZ right after india's visit in 2002, this is despite the fact that he didn't have to face shane bond with the new ball because gayle and lara consistently scored runs or got starts in the three WI innings. Did absolutely nothing in sri lanka and WI finally mercifully ended the experiment after the world cup. Consider the example of shiv chanderpaul for context. Shiv did not average over 40 until after the india series in 2001. by 2003, it would be in the mid 40s...from being in the 30s a year earlier. Carl hooper, whose supporters said he'd be consistent with more responsibility, could not raise his average above 40 despite 22 tests at the helm.
WI_cricfan 4/1/25, 4:43:30 PM
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Wrong question.
The better question is WHEN
nissan 4/1/25, 5:40:20 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

Carl
Jumpstart 4/1/25, 5:52:37 PM
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In reply to nissan

This does not counter my argument if you were wondering. 3 hundreds vs India, as I said, the second worst attack he’d have faced during his captaincy and one against zim, the worst attack he’d face as capo
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tc1 4/1/25, 7:23:11 PM
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In reply to Slipfeeler

i[b]nnteresting times ahead, as Hope is an excellent ODI batsman but a very poor Test batsman, considered as a failed test player, so let’s see what unfold



Yes, accordingly to Slippy Hope is a poor test bat, but Blackwood and Campbell are great test bats and one should lead WI
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Brerzerk 4/1/25, 7:58:52 PM
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Blackwood does not deserve a test recall, neither does Hope. With that outa di way continue
Jumpstart 4/1/25, 8:26:40 PM
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In reply to Brerzerk

Thank you
Raggs 4/1/25, 8:58:31 PM
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Alzarri Joseph gets the gig...
Jumpstart 4/1/25, 9:24:10 PM
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Alzarri needs some tranquilizers before he goes anywhere near a leadership position
Raggs 4/1/25, 9:47:28 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

So Viv his fellow Antiguan wasn't half mad too?
Jumpstart 4/1/25, 11:37:41 PM
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Hell no. Firstly, Viv was aggressive, not crazy
natty_forever 4/2/25, 2:10:59 AM
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In reply to dayne

Sammy done pick his cappo.
natty_forever 4/2/25, 2:12:12 AM
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Stop lying, better bat's than...
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voiceofreason 4/2/25, 4:34:50 AM
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In reply to Slippery Fella

I waiting for Nuttyforever to call out your bias.
Jammal22 4/2/25, 5:08:02 AM
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In reply to Slipfeeler

Bro Jamaicans have been getting the short end of the stick. How do you explain the treatment of McKenzie, Blackwood, and now Powell? Man fork WI cricket..
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Slipfeeler 4/2/25, 1:44:00 PM
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This type of treatment to Jamaican players have been happening for years, only Jamaican players are forced to be consistent, as in the cases of Baugh, McKenzie, a Youth who shouldered the batting for West Indies against the mighty Australians; Blackwood, who still have a higher test average than many on the current team; Powell, Nash; and many more who just failed in one series and they are elated and it’s like they couldn’t wait for one series failure to remove them from the team. Meanwhile there are consistent failures among players from a certain island but they are given so many chances that it took a collective uproar around the region for them to finally remove one of their failed players. Some fans on this Board are also to be blamed, always clamouring for Yardie players to be dropped, that why I became the unofficial PR and Voice of Jamaican players, some years ago because there was no one pushing back or advocating about the poor treatment of Yardie players on the various WI teams.
JoeGrine 4/2/25, 1:53:33 PM
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In reply to Slipfeeler

In the last 30 years, the only two Jamaicans I can say have been blatantly hard-done by the selectors are :

Robert Samuels
Brendon Nash

Baugh - nothing special
McKenzie - still on the periphery where he belongs based on his present performance.
Blackwood - at best a #6 Test batter when on song, which he is not presently.

Now let me say, I would use the same standard I am applying to Blackwood/McKenzie to apply to every batter in the region then see what we have to work with. Hodge aside, there is not one batter on the present Test team who deserves automatic selection.
Jumpstart 4/2/25, 1:56:04 PM
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In reply to Slipfeeler

as in the cases of Baugh, McKenzie, a Youth who shouldered the batting for West Indies against the mighty Australians

two of the four people responsible for that win have been discarded, da silva and mckenzie, the former the best player of pace bowling in the WI and the other the only man who can consistently play straight. Brathwaite, who did nothing in that test was never dropped despite averaging 20 for the year. Sometimes i wonder if there's any desire in wi cricket to improve, at least in some sectors. TVJ had an interview with Winston Benjamin late last year where he pinpointed the descent into rabid insularity by some territories as the main cause of WI ills and i agree with him
JoeGrine 4/2/25, 3:38:34 PM
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In reply to Jumpstart

Insularity is rife in all things Cricket West Indies, including in the Rum Shop led by the Insularity in Chief, the treasonous one!