Iphone made in the US?

What would happen if high priced items were made in the US or Countries that demand higher pay for labor?

Really?

China is home to low labor practices and quite frankly, lower quality work and materials.

Is it beyond reasonability to assume that paying larger wages will result in a higher quality item?

There is a chance the higher wages may require a drop in material quality..but that would not make sense, because the higher cost of the item, would necessitate a better quality and longer use.

In fact the higher price would mean the practice of holding back features for the next release might cease, as the cost would reduce the habit of consumers upgrading a properly functioning item just to have the latest.

That would reduce waste.

It is a fact that most people have little use for a top of class electronics. It is just a status symbol!


All the dopes who like to act like their one liners are equal to a proper discussion, please go elsewhere.


Leave the thread bare rather than polute it with your moronic filth.

Thanks.

Those willing to have a fair open minded discussion, feel free.

I know that's alot to ask....but hoping

In reply to Ayenmol

some good points.

germany makes or used to make high end products whilst paying good wages

China does produce products for a broad range of people- some cheap items and some quality stuff

there is a market for both if you dont believe that there is pollution from the disposal of electronics

i believe US manufactures can and should make high end products and pay workers well with paid vacations, sick leave etc.

why should a CEO make 1000 times (or whatever is the going rate these days) the amount the average workers is paid in addition to huge benefits not given to workers?

In reply to Ayenmol

Until big stagers stop living off the back of the proletariat, mi say war!!

In reply to sudden



That ship has sailed off into the sunset El Capitan.

There are phones selling for less than 100 bucks that look exactly like Samsung top ofthe line phones.

How is that possible? They are loaded with memory...8 and 12gb ram....loaded with storage....256 and even 512gb versions that run a few dozen dollars more.

Now, are the materials up to snuff? Definitely not as good quality as the top rands.

But what really makes them unusable compared to Samsungs and Iphones are the programs, operating systems!

It's like buying a Samsung memory module for your computer or cheaping out with a Chinese brand....there are some losses, but they will work fine. If they work....

So why do these phones work so much better with just a limited quality gap in internals?

And why so much more expensive?

These items that are bought today are highly I flated anyway! Just that all the money goes to the Corporations.

5hat keeps their trade value high and poor or just barely above average consumers drink down that system with the hope of buying in to that dream.

In reply to sudden

Nice points sudden.

When companies started moving to China, all you heard about is the working conditions.

Since the rich has bought deeply into the news Networks and worked hand in hand with corporations, that has been swept under the rug.

Couple that with China policies that make it near impossible to find and report on the internal conditions of the working public there.....and you have bliss for the greedy.

China has billions of people....yet they are kept poor while a few make the money in what is a dictatorship....or close to it...socialist whatever...yet the top few get wildly rich like their counterparts of capitalist and democratic lands.

Yet the 300 million people in the US and the 100 plus in the UK and the less than 500 mil in Europe are depended on to support the wealthy few of China....

Just doesn't make sense.

In reply to Ayenmol

Maybe the price can remain the same and the company can be less greedy and survive with lower profits. Just saying!
All these companies are motivated by the expected profits Wall Street demands!

A few mo the ago....maybe a year....60 Minutes interviewed Alessandro Michele, the creative director of Gucci.

The thing that made an impression on me is how that company has kepttheir quality high while paying their craftsmen well and keeping their manufacturing local yet still remaining a top player and still growing .

The economic and Business gurus claim this sort of model is unsustainable ...but many companies in Italy etc continue to do it very well...with great wages for their people and health care etc available....

This corporate model that has swept the World is what's unsustainable.

It requires that Countries keep their labor cheap and their citizens poor to enrich a few and enslave materially, a consumer base.

In reply to Ayenmol

china has a mixed economic system

it is mostly socialist whilst allowing entrepreneurship to flourish

where business leaders become greedy or work against the perceived social order they are reeled in and sometimes jailed

china has strategically moved from a feudal and then a purely communist system in a few years by doing what every other countries have done

they stole other countries' products and build on them either cheaper or better

capitalism chase profits so US companies ran to China and China did what it had to- used that to improve itself

and now we are here

china controls a large portion of the world's manufacturing output

China and the BRICS are about 60% (i stand to be corrected) of the world's pop

US is about 4% and insignificant as far as manufacturing is concerned

Marx wrote about the flaws in capitalism

you should have a read for better understanding

In reply to StumpCam

Exactly.

Which is why I have a great distaste for the Stock market.

Whoever came up with this module and then tied common citizens retirement to it wasa diabolical genius.

But the fact that people co tinue to look to it rather than thi k of ways to change it or remove it's toes to their future is beyond d crazy.

Another way the rich steal from the less fortunate.

In reply to Ayenmol

Apple spent decades building its supply chain in China. To shift all of its production to America is a herculean task. Experts have estimated that manufacturing an iPhone in America could see the purchasing cost skyrocket to $3,500 from $1,100.

Walmart exploited the same system by gutting American manufacturing and shifted its supply chain to China. Walmart stores are full of customers.

Companies like these now caught in a trade war they never planned for.

The big question is what will consumers do at the checkout line. In a global market they will source the cheaper product no matter where it is coming from.

In reply to sudden

Thereareflaws in every system.

You think China can sustain this module? No.

I do not want to delve into the Politics of it...but just the fact that you can decide who makes the money and who does not is quite immoral.

But it is good to see many understand what is going on....and it is why I may not support Politics and Politicians, but economically, I see the benefit of what the US is doing with tariffs.

Particularly their approach to China.

All Cou tries should try to be as selfsustaining as possible.

China has alot right there too.

But they also are a bad influence for greedy capitalist and it is interesting to seethatchallenged....even if it is being done in a foolish manner by someone who also has some weird agenda.

In reply to Ayenmol



That's because you're a moron.

In reply to Ayenmol

tariffs have been around for a long time

a lot of books have been written about tariffs

simply put tariffs are import taxes paid by the consumer

the consumer is often and overwhelmingly the poor

so tariffs are a tax mostly on them

tariffs have never worked because they cause others countries to implement retaliatory tariffs

and then there is a trade war which negatively impacts spending and the economy

that is why economists attribute one of the major causes of the great depression or for prolonging it, to the Smoot Hawley 1930's tariffs

coming out of the great depression was the greatest growth of US wealth producing the so called middle class

and guess how it came about?

the FDR govt didnt borrow

the rich were taxed heavily

their wealth wasnt taken away

they werent jailed

but in order not to raise taxes on the common citizen the rich paid a high portion of taxes from their capital gains

In reply to sudden



Dude, China only became what it is today because: (1) on a political level Nixon wanted to undermine the USSR by opening up trade and commerce with China; (2) American corporations salivated at the prospects of exploiting cheap unregulated labour to widen their profit margins; (3) Reagan and the Neo-cons further encouraged the mass exodus of American manufacturing to China in the 80's and 90's and completely gutted manufacturing unions in the process.

The Soviet Union collapsed. China prospered. And now we are here.

In reply to SnoopDog

Trump told his MAGA supporters someone else would pay the tariffs, not them, and they are stupid enough to believed him.

In reply to SnoopDog

ok i suppose it was only a one way strategy

i suppose Chinese leadership didnt have a plan

i suppose it was all by accident or the doings of the west

if you believe that i have a MAGA tariff for sale

keep on underestimating the chinese

In reply to XFactor



You can say Ayenmol's name. Don't be shy Bro.

In reply to XFactor

Man....enough with that....we all know what tariffs are. Enough with that we are talking cause and effect...not political talking points.

In reply to sudden



Settle down buttercup.

Of course the Chinese gov't had a plan to implement mass labour manufacturing of consumer goods for the West.

They were given the opportunity by the greed Western capitalist and they took it. And now that they have become an economic super power those same greedy Western capitalists are crying foul.

And please tell yuh stupid friend Ayenmol that trade deficits and trade tariffs are two completely separate things and one does not have to do with the other.

In reply to Ayenmol



Who is the person implementing trade tariffs?

In reply to SnoopDog

I think he dreams of sitting in front of the TV all day, drinking coffee and watching Fox News like the rest of MAGA.

In reply to sudden

China is brilliant. People everywhere are brilliant. In fact i think it is their power structure and ability to pivot according to the direction the leader deems best is what the current US leadership is after....

Let me comment briefly on a couple things you have brought up here and elsewhere.

The issue of tariffs and the second WW.

I believe the internet and age of I formation and access makes much of the issues that brought about that cause and effect mute.

I really do.

Do we know what the tariffs will accomplish....not if it is worldwide....which I always felt was fodder for cover and a personal strategic blow.

I think they thought if they make it Universal it would mask the true objectives.....which was foolish....it was always about the low labor cost Countries and they were not fooled.

In reply to Ayenmol

The $1800 iphone made overseas will then cost US taxpayers probably close to $3500+ per phone if built here by US based workers who want vacation, higher pay every 6 months, benefits, etc, etc. Is that a sustainable model for "higher quality" electronic devices?

In reply to XFactor



The Dotard has gone from 80's real estate scammer, to reality TV star, to convicted felon President of the Dumfcukingistan, to the darling of Christians of all denominations and fundamentalist outlook.