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carl0002 4/11/25, 6:56:38 PM
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....far left conspiracy theory nutjob websites.


Far left???

That is project 2025 on steroids level, neocon $hit and I don't think you will find that stuff in far left forums' big grin
Commie 4/11/25, 7:33:27 PM
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The US is an empire in decline. It is still the world's premier military power, which bodes ill for the workers of countries targeted by this declining empire. It is sure to lash out.
Drapsey 4/11/25, 7:54:58 PM
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Look, it's Commie!

Good to see you.
sgtdjones 4/11/25, 7:57:34 PM
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Commie was saying the same about Russia (military power) until it met Ukraine.
Terminator is missing ...
XDFIX 4/13/25, 1:41:08 AM
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This is a fascinating article—I read it in part through the lens of the rise and fall of the manufacturing sector in Jamaica!

Keep up the good work; you are the real G!
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XDFIX 4/13/25, 1:53:05 AM
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big grin

Too soon to talk!
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camos 4/13/25, 2:43:04 AM
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Trump caving like unsupported excavation!big grin
XDFIX 4/13/25, 2:57:44 AM
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Only a fool would not pivot in the turbulence of external forces - Trump may be drunk, but he ain't no joke! - I think a Yardie song says Tom drunk, but Tom nuh, fool, not sure!
Commie 4/13/25, 3:12:49 PM
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The culture of skilled labor, seeded by the medieval guilds and fully developed by the Industrial Revolution, was what made the West unstoppable for over two centuries. The RoW, while being colonized, enslaved, and generally ruthlessly screwed, at first didn't realize what the white man's advantage was; they erroneously thought it was the clever wheeling-dealing or having a more modern military.

Japan was the first to catch on; the Meiji statesmen at first tried to emulate the Western political system, with a parliament and everything, and financial institutions, because that's what the Western propaganda said were the roots of their success. But eventually they realized it was industry, and started to modernize their own. It took them several generations, not to build the factories, but to develop a proper working class, with the right ethics: the culture of skilled laborers. But the Japanese eventually got it right, and even exceeded the standards of the West, which was already floundering under the weight of its parasites all that time.

South Korea was next; then eventually China, which has just arrived. Iran and then India are not quite there yet, but getting very close. I know some really good engineers, they order a lot of modules and parts from subsuppliers around the world. Twenty years ago Chinese products had a well deserved reputation of being cheap and shoddy. Ten years ago, the bad rep was still there, but the products were mostly solid, if not stellar. Now they make parts and equipment better than the Germans, not to even mention the US; quite on par with Japanese products. Twenty years; a full generation.

But the whole process, from the start, took more; two or three generations; same as in Japan. First to build up the infrastructure, and teaching cadres for technical education. Then to turn out the first, raw cohort of industrial workers, while at the same time developing the know-how, mostly by copying others and learning by painful trial-and-error. Finally, to build the attitudes and the culture of skilled labor, which is what made the difference between the "Chinese crap" of twenty-years ago, and their cutting-edge tech of today.

The United States, and the rest of the West including Germany, meanwhile destroyed their culture of skilled labor, for profit. The destruction is complete; just as we mistrusted Chinese products recently, now we are coming to realize that German industrial products are shoddy, and not to be trusted. And Germany is the best of the lot, they still retain some old-timers who know what they are doing. American companies fired the lot of them, demolished the facilities, and salted the ground.

All manufacturing in the West is just coasting now; producing minor variations of products that were designed by previous generation's designers, on legacy production lines that have been running for decades. That is why they were so utterly unable to accelerate ammunition production. The old production lines, at Rheinmetall and elsewhere, are still limping along, but establishing new ones is not feasible---no one knows how to build them, or get them running properly. Other industries are in the same bind, churning out the same-old widgets---as financialists disdainfully refer to industrial products---using trivially upgraded legacy designs and production lines. The only real innovation comes from abroad, mostly in the form of faster chip designs.

That is why Trump's ambition of reviving American industry with nothing but financial leverage is a pipe dream. There is no know-how anymore, no cadre of industrial workers, and the culture of skilled labor that made the West has been canceled and erased. By most estimates it would take one generation to start churning out crude, failure-prone lemons, and yet another generation to bring industry to world standards. Not the kind of timeframe Mr. Deal-artist is used to be working in.

A case in point is the ongoing attempt to transplant chip manufacturing from Taiwan to the US. The factories have largely been built, at exorbitant expense, and only because Taiwanese engineers were on hand to supervise the construction. But there are no engineers and no tech-aware managers in the US to run these factories, so Taiwanese cadres were transplanted---essentially by making them an offer they couldn't refuse---to manage these factories. But the production is still no-go, because in all the third of a billion of Americans, there is not enough skilled workers capable of working in these production lines, despite the promise of exorbitant pay. Now they are at the stage of importing slaves---er, I meant coerced-volunteer production line workers---also from Taiwan, to work in these "American" chip factories. Money is being poured in by the bucketful, but I will wager a guess: once they get the production running, the chips coming out will be so substandard, that nobody will be buying them. For years.

And that is the absolute best the US can do, with all the government and finance leverage you can get, and workforce imported wholesale. In less strategic fields the situation will be much worse. And it will be made much worse yet by the impending reverse brain drain: all the foreigners doing science and STEM education in the US, all the Chinese, Russians, Indians, Persians, and Germans whose foreign names figure on most engineering textbooks and on most STEM research papers, will soon pack up and go home, because they were here only for the living conditions---and living conditions in the US are going to hell in a basket.

There are practically no top-level American-born STEM researchers left, and the few adequate exceptions have been recruited to work on classified military projects, where foreigners are barred. And we can judge their level of know-how by observing how these projects are spectacularly failing, from the F-35 boondoggle to the hypersonics development clusterfuck, to the pratfall of Boeing orbital vehicles.
Ayenmol 4/13/25, 5:43:37 PM
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That is a really eye opening and reasonable take.

I saw a video of Tim Cook who said that the reason China was flourishing in Industry was due to their skolled labor force.

I agree that this seems to be a huge issue in the US.

I know where i lived, with Amazon moving in, there was a boom in new residents.

Many Californians also move to the area, many investing in renovating homes for sale and rentals.

One guy bought the house across the street and was in the process of renovating.

He could not believe how difficult it was to find skilled workers.

Many builders lament the difficulty in finding workers for the construction Industry.

The issue is as you articulated. Blue collar workers are looked down upon while the dressed up guy going to an office to stare at a computer all day is glorified.

Not to mention the profiteering enterprise.

Too many Harvards and not enough MIT for the layman
XDFIX 4/14/25, 3:59:24 AM
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Watch the bond market - China could do real damage!
XDFIX 4/14/25, 4:05:24 AM
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Another good read!
camos 4/14/25, 12:14:21 PM
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Watch the bond market - China could do real damage!
China's options are limited in the bond market, they can only stop buying new issues, they can't sell those they owned, because that would mean taking a loss.
StumpCam 4/14/25, 12:28:06 PM
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Too many internet experts!:lol
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ponderiver 4/14/25, 2:13:11 PM
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The Dotard has gone from 80's real estate scammer, to reality TV star, to convicted felon President of the Dumfcukingistan, to the darling of Christians of all denominations and fundamentalist outlook.


this right here is one of the best lines ever
XFactor 4/14/25, 4:08:42 PM
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Every central bank is adjusting their allocation of US treasuries as risk premiums have increased, and yes, yields have not yet risen to parity. There are about $30 trillion treasuries floating around. Japan holds about 1.06 trillion of U.S. treasury bonds and China has just under $800 billion from 1.3 billion 10 years ago. China is obviously de-dollarizing.

The US need China and Japan to be buying those bonds to fund the debt. China and Japan are not backing down on this trade war anytime soon. I’m not an expert on this subject matter, but it seems to me that Chana and Japan can sink the US dollar at any time. They have cards to play.
Ayenmol 4/15/25, 6:32:55 PM
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Soooo....

It's been what two weeks or less?

Already:

1) Nvidia has decided to open 2/3 factories in the US worth trillions. Semi-conductors and Ai grade GPU's, the intended output.

2) China is scrambling big time to make deals with other Countries....US not that improtant some said, China won't feel it.

ii) They are taking steps to choke of supplies needed in manufacturing....not just to the US but Worldwide. The threat is not real? Why such drastic steps then?

3) My orders from Shein and Temu are shipping directly from the US and not from China.....So they are forced to use their local stockpile......they had a local stockpile....they have been preserving a local stockpile while the shipping loopholes existed, knowing it would end eventually.

No impact? Little impact? When is the last time you saw China so rattled?
sgtdjones 4/15/25, 7:49:04 PM
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Isn't it strange ...he is a dumb fck...

But he has the lawyers and legal firms kissing his arse...

Interesting, isn't it, a dumb fck outwitting a crooked bunch of officers of the court?

Pro bono representation.lol
XFactor 4/15/25, 9:14:19 PM
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But wasn't Apple supposed to be moving its phone manufacturing back to the USA? Please tell me when that is happening.

Trump initially said, “iPhones will be made here! It's not negotiable.”

A few days later, he stated, “I've removed the tariff on iPhones and it won’t be manufactured in the US anymore."

"This has nothing to do with the millions Apple deposited in my Swiss Bank account. It’s all a negotiation.”
XDFIX 4/15/25, 10:55:48 PM
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Yuh joking, right? When a country goes to war, a loss of lives is expected! So again, China could damage the bond market; will it? Only time will tell!
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Ayenmol 4/16/25, 1:36:14 AM
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Listen man....The topic is regarding the tariffs and their effect in totality on the US manufacturing industry.

This is not some partisan Trump is King nonsense.

I do not care about wishful party lines.

Am talking about, and everyone so far, has been discussing the actual steps taken and how they see it affecting the economy.

Better or worse.

Take your personal politics elsewhere please.
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camos 4/16/25, 1:56:53 AM
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manufacturing industry.[quote]
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manufacturing is an activity not an industry, to be technical.
Ayenmol 4/16/25, 2:09:16 AM
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Tell that to them...

The manufacturing industry is a sector that converts raw materials into finished goods through various processes like fabrication, processing, and preparation. It's characterized by using machinery, equipment, and labor on a large scale. This industry plays a crucial role in the global economy, contributing to GDP and technological progress.
Ayenmol 4/16/25, 11:28:48 AM
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Sooo....

China has appointed a new trade envoy?

Lots of rhetoric coming out of China....

Anyone read the words of the deputy commissioner of China's NBS?

Pretty much verifying what I have been saying about the US tightening it's consumerist belt.

Also....to those stating America.....or any large Nation .... can survive on service industries exclusively, some of the rhetoric seems pretty damning on that front.

Not just China....but all of the opinion and reporting I have been reading seems to be that it is a detriment to rely on other Countries for your manufacturing.

Well, well.
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StumpCam 4/16/25, 11:45:29 AM
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it is a detriment to rely on other Countries for your manufacturing.


Or, maybe it is a benefit to rely on other countries to increase your profit margins!

Oh well!razz
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