CaribbeanCricket.com - Bad batting or brilliant bowling?

culpepperboy 7/15/25, 12:15:42 PM

debut: 6/2/11
9,251 runs

I would say 20% bad batting 80% brilliant bowling.
Some of those balls were unplayable. Late swing at pace. Not sure how many batsman could successfully negotiate that.
Remember too that 10 wickets fell in the first session and not all of those were ours.
Having said that, we know that batting is our weakness. None of our batsman could walk into any other country's team. But I don't think that 27 all out is the level we are at. This was an anomaly.

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 12:16:45 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to culpepperboy

They were getting dismissed to the same delivery over and over. The bowling was good, it certainly wasn’t great

culpepperboy 7/15/25, 12:18:33 PM

debut: 6/2/11
9,251 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

Late swing at pace over and over again will always bowl teams out cheaply.

CCW 7/15/25, 12:39:07 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to culpepperboy

you make some good points...fact is we were up against probably the greatest "3 -pronged" OZ pace attack of ALL TIME in helpful conditions against almost certainly the WORSE Windies batting line up of ALL TIME!!

sudden 7/15/25, 1:04:58 PM

debut: 11/27/06
54,387 runs

when WI batsmen fail- bad batting

when opposition batsmen fail- great WI bowling

nonetheless we have no batsmen. they know nothing about the fundamentals of batting

none of them

most of them need to play road cricket with a rubberstrand ball and some good tapeball cricket

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Jumpstart 7/15/25, 1:41:41 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW

you make some good points...fact is we were up against probably the greatest "3 -pronged" OZ pace attack of ALL TIME in helpful conditions against almost certainly the WORSE Windies batting line up of ALL TIME!!

glenn mcgrath, jason gillespie and brett lee are not real cricketers i guess. and clive lloyd had a nightmare about three fast bowlers name dennis lillee. jeff thomson and gary gilmore on a warm georgetown night right? One of the biggest problems with west indies cricket is that this type of ignorance pervades the entire cricketing structure.

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ray 7/15/25, 1:42:24 PM

debut: 2/7/03
24,204 runs

excuses

LBW375 7/15/25, 1:45:50 PM

debut: 11/29/02
26,838 runs

January 2025 vs Pakistan

If not for Warrican and Motie (with the bat) we would have been trounced.

At various points of that tour we were

37/8
51/7
54/5

The notion that it's only now we cant bat is NONSENSE.

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 1:47:07 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to ray

exactly. the only team destroyer in chief starc averages under 25 against is us and sri lanka. he's just fast. every other team he averages over 25, and averages over 30 against india and pakistan despite playing the majority of matches against them on his home pitches. i remember curtly, viv and andy roberts were sent by antigua to do some pro work for the tourism board last year. talk sport interviewed them and Curtly said ignorance pervades west indies cricket. again, truer words have never been spoken

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velo 7/15/25, 2:18:28 PM

debut: 7/29/19
5,164 runs

Starc bowled beautifully but it was aided by poor techniques .you know that the guy is swinging the ball back into the pads and you still falling for it i mean anderson and king were bowled driving at full inswingers

voiceofreason 7/15/25, 2:32:26 PM

debut: 1/20/04
91,937 runs

In reply to culpepperboy

At least a reasonable post. Yes watching the highlights, only Roston Chase and perhaps Brandon King (could have played a forward defensive, bat close to pads) could be blame don the batsmen.

Mitchell Starc is a terror with that pink ball.

CCW 7/15/25, 2:45:59 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

I repeat collectively this OZ 3 prong attack is their best EVER .....yes Lille an Thompson but their support such as Walker an Gilmour cannot compare with any of the 3...most definitely Starc is better than Gilmour an i put both Cummins an Hazelwood in front of Walker....an the stats can't be ignored!

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 2:49:13 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW
lol

yuh boy starc stats against all teams in tests
by the way, starc is a strike bowler, not support. gilmour was a support bowler. he never took the new ball

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voiceofreason 7/15/25, 2:55:34 PM

debut: 1/20/04
91,937 runs

In reply to CCW

Agreed!

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 2:57:03 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW

you should be worried when only voice of treason agreeing with you eh

CCW 7/15/25, 2:59:33 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

can you give me a compelling reason why u dnt????

CCW 7/15/25, 3:03:14 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

yes but in a team with Lillee an Thompson he would have been 1st change...just like Gilmour!!!

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 3:06:46 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW

rubbish...gilmour, even with lillee and thommo as strike bowlers still managed 101 wickets in 15 tests at an average just over 26. even his strike rate is close to starc's and starc takes the new ball. homes even jason gillespie averages less than starc. of all the pure quicks(not allrounders like kapil dev) who've taken 400 or more wickets, only starc and broad average over 27 and starc does not produce unplayable spells like broad against top sides.

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CCW 7/15/25, 3:14:19 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

so then i guess as a left arm swing bowler you placing Gilmour ahead of Starc??....yuh reckon "most" knowledgeable Aussies or anybody who have seen both would agree with you??...an i emphasise MOST!!

StumpCam 7/15/25, 3:17:11 PM

debut: 1/1/04
13,057 runs

In reply to sudden

nonetheless we have no batsmen. they know nothing about the fundamentals of batting

none of them

I think you nailed it!
Yes, it’s not easy to play high quality swing bowling, however our batsmen lack basic fundamentals. Our most experienced batsmen, King and Hope were both clueless!

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 3:19:28 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW

STARC IS A STRIKE BOWLER....YOU HAVE TO COMPARE STARC WITH MCGRATH, LILLEE, MITCHELL JOHNSON. THEY DOH PUT HIM THERE TO CONTAIN HOMES. shane warne, the greatest spin bowler ever, was a brutal critic of starc. after 45 tests, starc's average was 36

The Australia paceman hits back at criticism tabled from champion spin bowler Shane Warne

Australia tearaway Mitch Starc claimed two wickets in India's first innings but perhaps his biggest dismissal in the second Test to date is of the criticism labelled at him from Test legend Shane Warne.

Writing in his newspaper column last week, Warne heavily criticised Starc's performance in the first Test loss in Adelaide, labelling the left-armer's wayward two-over spell with the second new ball on day four as "atrocious".

Starc's restrained body language was also questioned by former teammate Mitch Johnson, despite the speedster taking 5-103 from 40.5 overs.

5-103 is greatness on an australia surface ent

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CCW 7/15/25, 3:39:01 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

we going off track... let's stick to Starc v Gilmour ....longevity has its place yuh cannot compare playing 100tests v 15tests bro...in assessing the greatest longevity does play a apart....for eg look both Shamar an Jayden's impressive stats at this point but they have to continue in that vein an on less helpful surfaces over a period of time before we can truly assess whether they just very good or great!!

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Jumpstart 7/15/25, 3:44:07 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW

as i said, you're comparing gilmour, a first change bowler with starc who bowls with the new ball.....the reason nathan lyon has over 500 wickets is because their frontline pace attack leaves a lot of wickets for him to take. ditto with scott boland. and you just have to look at the breakdown of starc's stats to see my point

CCW 7/15/25, 3:47:56 PM

debut: 6/3/24
305 runs

In reply to Jumpstart

I absolutely get ur point but dnt agree with you putting Gilmour in front of Starc period!!!

Jumpstart 7/15/25, 3:51:56 PM

debut: 11/30/17
12,396 runs

In reply to CCW
gilmour is not a strike bowler. look at starc's record in comparison to lillee, mcgrath etc. starc has taken one solitary 5 for against india, the team least likely historically to succeed on hard australian wickets. that's not by chance...and he has had 43 innings to better tat record. starc is very good against middling and mediocre opposition

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