....against pace bowling, what do you expect?

Sammy accepted a poisoned chalice and must have known that he was embarking on mission impossible.

The unvarnished truth is, our players lack the technical ability to play test cricket. A plethora of voices here have been syaing this.The board knows it...Sammy knows it...the whole world knows it yet we are attempting to bluff our way to a solution. In my best Jamaican accent: "Dat nah go happen."How can the Pesident of the CWI blame our lack of batting success or overall accomplishments on this tour on the absence of two leading fast bowlers?

A CWI President who cannot identify the problem does not deserve being at the helm of our cricket. His situation is further compounded by his recent distraction of being appointed Minister of Tourism. A newbie minister cannot function in his new capacity while at the same time give undivided attention to the problems which beset the management of any organisation.

Those who attempt to insulate the CWI President against any negative repercussions of holding two serious responsibilities are either naive or dumb. Please spare me your codswallop. It is not as if the CWI President has been doing an outstanding job and that he is indespensible...far from this, he is an adject failure.

Any evaluation of his tenure of leadshership will aasses his performance as abysmal.

There should be a deafening cry throughout the region to see the back of the CWI President pronto. In the words of one of our popular election campaign songs: "Kishore Shallow move from there." .

@Courtesy

another moronic post. WI, with a different batting lineup scored up until that point, the highest score in a day night test against australia on a very poor pitch at Brisbane. against the same attack that humiliated sammy's team, which was unrecognizable from that lineup that made 311 at Brisbane, for 27. stop trying to use propaganda to cover Sammy and his team's(except Ravi Rampaul, the bowling coach) failure as professional cricketers, as coaches and as men who clearly refuse to acknowledge their limitations as men, to the detriment of us ll.

@Jumpstart

You are such an intellectual midget.

Using your same logic then the 457 runs West Indies batsmen scored to save a test that was gone should receive similar commendation from you.

You are so intellectually challenged that you did not see my post was critical of the whole West Indies infrastructure.

Btw, do you know that one swallow does not make a summer?

Please do not respond to my post or come on this thread you do not deserve my attention.

You are also an insular ass.

@Courtesy

the pitch flattened out. nz struggled in the first innings, we struggled in the 1st innings. nz made over 400 in the 2nd, we made over 400. the application is commendable but the demons on that pitch left during day 3. the australians struggled in both innings, with only smith, da silva, hodge and the very technically correct Kevin Sinclair living with the conditions. they're not comparable. the only game comparable in recent history to that Brisbane test is 27 all out

I am not one to get consumed by meaningless debates & verbiage, misinformation overload especally coming from cocoons of insularity. I am therfore compelled to attempt to bring some clarity to the issue of governance of our cricket.

The following are two pillars from Kishore Shallow's 2023 Cricket manifesto. I will not reproduce all the pillars here because it is unnecessary as you will get the tenor of my thrust easily.

Cricket Development.

The problem with the goverance of West Indies cricket in a nutshell is that successive leaders

Development for a cricketer never stops. CWI must establish a methodological approach that is practical and effective from the point of entry into cricket right through to the exit, ideally at the senior international level. Such a systematic structure that is modern and ever-evolving is necessary for long-term success of our players and teams

Commercial & Marketing.. 

CWI has yet to access the full potential global market significantly, so many untapped resources remain available. To improve the organisation's economic situation, there must be an intervention targeting revenue generation. The commercial and marketing activities must be modernised and culturally sensitive with immense intensity...

Those vying for the leadership of West Indies cricket are under no obligation to produce specific timelines for accomplishing their strategic imperatives.thereby making evaluation of their performance in office difficult and I dare say impractical. You can clearly see from the pillars highlighted above that they are glibly written, and lacking in intellectual depth. Imho, they are written this way dilerately to bluff their way to the helm of CWI. I will never subscribe to this methodology.

It should be compulsory that any manifesto.that seeks the support of the territorial boards should articulate GOALS, OBJECTIVES (qualitative and quantitative) ACTIONS to be undertaken and specific TASKS to be undertanken within specific timeframes.

These overly facile and lacking in substance manifestos give leadership the escape route of simply saying "they are pursuing this or that".and that continuity of leadership is important. This is simply done to protect their place at the table and hardly anything to do with the development of cricket.

Shallow has been quaoted as saying: "over the past several days I have been humbled by the many calls from coleagues, and from the staff and players of West Indies cricket.."

Who in their heart of hearts would call Shallow to egg him on to remain at the helm of Cricket West Indies? Those who do so, and I say this confidently, are in the minority and only pursue this course of action to protect their turf and in the process maintain their place at the feeding trough.

Here is a cop out from Shallow:"...our aim has always been to create a stronger foundation that can ultimate support improve performances on the cricket field. While the journey has not been without its challenges and we have not achieved every goal..." This is easy to say without timelines for achieving objectives. In this regard I would love to see the annual report of the Chief Executive Officer.

TBC

@Courtesy

meanigless debates...........namne one world class cricketer the Windward islands has produced and I am going to put parameters here

1. played 50 tests
2. played 150 ODIS
3. averages 40 as a batsman or above
4. has taken more 100 test wickets
5. averages under 30 as a test match fast bowler or between 30 and 35 as a test match spinner.

Until you can provide names here, my opinion that the Windward Islands cricketing project is an abysmal failure will be correct and you have no business being anywhere near leadership in WI cricket because you clearly cannot manage even the cricket in your territorial boundaries.

The post started off with potential for productive discussions. Pls. both of you resist the urge for disputations and forward ideas to rescue what we all do love i.e. CWI. May others do the same pls. As for me I'm right now at a loss re what can be done.

248 total runs

Innings: 4

Average: 62.00

I'll take that with him getting out trying to hook, everyday and twice on sundays.....