@Jumpstart

That takes us nowhere

what Carlos said was a factual account of what took place

if we are to go down the route you want to take, it is arguable that Lara’s slight, whatever it was, made him hungrier to succeed when he got the chance and he did.

that is not to say this is what Carlos was intimating if he was intimating anything at all

you are reading into something that you want to argue about or want to condemn Carlos for, which is not readily evident in the excerpt you quoted

find out exactly what he meant and then you can make your case

@sudden

if we are to go down the route you want to take, it is arguable that Lara’s slight, whatever it was, made him hungrier to succeed when he got the chance and he did.

BS as usual. but i didn't expect any different from you. Sachin Tendulkar at 16 was integrated into a high performing batting lineup...at 16. As a result, he never thought that he was the main man in the indian batting lineup. Sachin's first hundred in England came on a tour where both mo azharuddin and ravi shastri scored two hundreds and averaged over 70 for the tour. That is how you blood young players. you integrate them into a high performing unit where the pressure is not constantly on them but also where they know their role and function in the side.

The fact that lara was the main man in west indian batting, and later west indian cricket from his 2nd test against south africa to his last in multan in pakistan could nopt have helped his demeanour, and this was pointed out by this Australian journalist.

That Lara rose amid the ruins of an empire cannot have helped his demeanour. As defeat for West Indies became the natural order, a crumbling dynasty turned to its last titan. Yet in taking on that burden, Lara proved himself perhaps an even greater player than he could have been had he been surrounded by fellow champions. If this was a one-man team, there can rarely have been one man so well equipped for the job.

you put a precociously gifted person in a state of constant pressure and eventually he is going to believe he is the man, that the unit rises and falls with him and that obviously lead to the petulance that plagued lara in the mid 90s and could not be culled by the weak and weak minded captaincy of richardson because richardson wasn't a leader by any stretch of the imagination. Desmond Haynes who was an alpha male and who lara looked up to enormously could do that but they never appointed him captain and got rid of him by 1994 totally.

In 1991 the west indian batting lineup was crumbling, the same people who were scoring hundreds in the mid 80s were the people scoring hundreds for the West Indies in 1991....greenidge and haynes. Viv's last hundred came in 1989. i don't believe he got past 80 after that but I'm subject to correction on that one. If the management had a little sense and that includes the captain, they'd have integrated lara into the set up to both provide another option in the middle and to groom him. Instead of throwing his kit out a dressing room, telling him to watch the rain. Brian lara according to jimmy adams did 27 or 28 tests as 12th man. Are you saying that is how to treat a young [performing player? But west indians feel that negative reinforcement is what works even though the state of the region has shown that is absolute hogwash. So don't pick him, it will make him hungrier.....utter unadulterated tripe

@Jumpstart

Again nothing you said there made contact with what Carlos said in your excerpt such as it is

please grow up, will yuh

@sudden

get a brain . you know nothing of a high performance sporting environment....and i don't think most west indians know either. the obvious exception being the Jamaicans who have athletics down to a science and whose stars, at least on the male side, took a keen interest in the young sprinters coming up, even in a largely individual sport. Bajans certainly know nothing about it. If carlos has to suggest this is the way to treat a precociously gifted young player, he has to take everything that came along with what lara experienced during that time. can't pick and choose

And don't go back to carlos when you are arguing that treatment made lara hungrier. you know its a nonsensical, asinine argument which is why you are now trying to hide behind RTN

@Jumpstart

On the face if it, nothing said in that excerpt could lead to the conclusion drawn by you unless you have other compelling information

if you do please share

@sudden

I maintain that there are enough sensible people in Indian cricket who knew lara, knew what lara had to put up with during what he describes as the most miserable period of his life, were in cricket circles either as a player or manager know the "Lara strategy" is no strategy at all and know to ignore the rantings of a man who knows nothing about cricket. his career except for four deliveries showed that as well

@Jumpstart

Dam bro you need to change your name to anecdote you certainly have a story for everything 🙄

Brian Lara is probably the greatest batsman in World Cricket without a doubt and there’s a 15 year old kid treating Bumrah and co. like they’re Tino Best why wouldn’t any cricket pundit make that correlation to the G.O.A.T.???

Furthermore Lara brought about that entire narrative in his book The England Chronicles and has mentioned it in interviews and podcasts so why wouldn’t Brathwaite use it to eat a food???

@Jumpstart

Well said....

… but ummmmm….jumps

Brian Lara said in his recent book that it was the best thing that happened to him because he wasn’t ready.

@TanteMerle

Truth be told - nuff jealousy prevailed.

add bad mind to dat too.

Brian was treated very badly.

I believe that our commentators try to be positive and

not mention too much controversy.

Carlos was correct in saying that being around the top class setup is good for youths.

I believe that Carlos knows about Lara's mistreatment by Viv et al.

He probably/definitely used a poor example,

in that Lara's mistreatment was probably one of the reasons he did not perform to the best of his ability.

Lars did not give of his best.

Had Lara gave his best, he would have scored hundreds more runs.

Yes while it's good to have youths exposed to the top class environment,

the seniors should treat them respectfully,

and set good examples.

Mentors/ambassadors must behave respectful

Viv et al drank too much, hang out to much and disrespected youths.

1. We saw the effects in the 'Mound' incident at Sabina.
2. We saw the effect with Lara missing tours for carnival.
3. We saw the effect with the windies team partying till 5 o'clock in Bim on test nights,
4. while the opponents Ozzies had a curfew and were waking at that time to exercise on the beach,
5. during that test in Bim, a hangover was blamed on chicken pox, which lasted 1 day.
6. We saw the windies core were now going to the hotel to rest after partying all night.
7. Enuff of the controversial issues.

..

Now while partying and hanging out worked for the older generation,

I opine that this generation need to concentrate on diet, exercise, rest, and honing their craft.

Youth today are not built like the older generation.

Youth today have more games to play than the older generation, which puts a strain on their bodies;

hence the frequent injuries.

Youth today are mentally and physically weaker than before.

Youth today drive everywhere they go, as opposed to older generation who walked miles weekly.

Youth today are playing with monies as their main motivation.

Pride of playing for country and territory is overcome by money.

So please understand that Carlos was correct in his aim

of stating that players introduction to the highest level environment is beneficial.

I believe that he erred in using Lara as an example.

Lara was mistreated Viv and the other seniors around.

Viv felt threatened by Lara obvious class.

A better man would have groomed Lara and proudly claimed his mentorship when Lara flourished.

MY 2 Cents.

@Halliwell

truth is lara could say what he wants. he probably didn't want to outright attack viv because he(viv) still remains an enormously popular figure in places like england and india(you saw how cyrus last year called viv his god on his podcast) and outright confrontation( like the tone of the Kevin Pietersen autobiography)would have created unnecessary controversy and and the type of hit pieces that were directed at him throughout the 2000s. anybody who was there or knows somebody who was there in the 90s knows exactly what went on. As lara wrote in his first autobiography, it was the most miserable time of his life

@Jumpstart

Yes bro,

Lara, Hooper and all the players who were subjected to disrespect from seniors.

keep most of this to themselves.

Remember that some of these past players still have influence

and like any cartel, they can negatively impact one's livelihood today.

Some of these players are dependent on commentary stints, and other

guess appearance to make monies today.

@TanteMerle

which is exactly my point. you expose them to international cricket in a high performing environment. As i told VOT's relative in propaganda sudden, tendulkar 's first hundred came on his 2nd series ever....in england. on that tour, both azharuddin and ravi shastri scored two hundreds each and averaged over 70 in a team captained by a GOAT player in Kapil Dev, who also scored a hundred. so there wasn't any pressure on tendulkar to be the main man and he also knew his place in the side. as a result of that environment, tendulkar was a lot more grounded than lara because he grew up in a nurturing environment. lara on the other hand became a regular when west indian batting was in crisis....he was the main man from that first test in 1992, to the last in 2006. that can't do anything good for your development as a player

@Jumpstart

Facts bro.

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