In reply to anandgb

HYMC. 8)

In reply to rikiniki Th truth hurts?
What de fcuk you doing up so late (early)?

This is totally predictable. The WICB is not interested in WI cricket, never was, and never will be. Its main concern is preserving its privilege at the expense of the cricketers. We could lose every match as long as the cricketers remain good little boys, everything "gonna be alright." The WICB is all about control and preserving the status quo. It never was about fairness and producing champion cricketers. When that happened during the glory days it was an accident of circumstances, not at all attributable to the WICB. The WICB MUST GO...... 8) 8) 8)

The players are only going on this tour because of the World Cup. Rest assured by publicly stating that they're playing under protest, they have covered themselves legally. The WC ends on April 28. Watch di ride.

HAHA Now We Know Why Sarwan ain't Going :lol:

In reply to Seepaul

Ronnie is injured.

This only reinforces my position that the players should have been allowed to play in that Stanford $5 million game against South Africa.

This much touted World Cup will be a windfall for everyone but the players, and the governments & the people of the Caribbean will be left holding the bag, while the well-positioned few make out like bandits.

The Stanford game did not go on because of the vindictiveness and self-centered shortsightedness of a few influential people in West Indies cricket.

Wish the WIPA had been more assertive in making sure all the players, not just some favored sons, were in a position to secure the badly needed extra earning that the Stanford game would have made possible.

This is not a perfect world and concerns for WI cricket extend beyond the current players income.
Were they paid for the test match? Was their performance in that match worthy of the Board
undertaking more financial losses? It is true that there is no rocket scientist on the Board,
but has anyone consider the power of the Indian board, and more over the strength of their dollars?
Must it always be about money with these unworthy bunch of cricketers?

Pure unadulterated fackery by the WICBandidos....

Good work Ryan in getting one the directors to squeal on the factors..
Farcical, comical management. The BCCIdiots are facted up but the WICBandidos are worse. Think about this the BCCIdiots keeping all the profits from this tour. Stadiums will be full of Indian fanatics. TV revenue flowing in and the WICBandidos are running a charity tour

In reply to Dreama

Acknowledge its not a perfect world and that our cricketers are not world beaters, but this is how capitalism works. They are the product in their industry and dollars/pounds/rupees are being shared out. They are entitled to negotiate for their fair share. Surely you cannot begrudge them that right. Its simple supply and demand. They have skills. The skills are wanted. Others are selling product based on their skills. The players get to ask for some of the revenue.

Pretty simple economics that have been about for centuries.

In reply to googly1961

But the two men who negotiated the Sky deal in 2000 control di rights for our overseas tours and Digi sponsoring dem too. Yuh 'gats' to laugh.

In reply to Chrissy

Somehow I think all that cash done flush down some toilet somewhere...
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

In reply to watchman

I have been say that they must go for a long time now . As I continue to say PRESIDENTS COME , PRESIDENTS GO , BUT DESPITE REARRANGING THE CHAIRS ON THE DECK OF THE TITANIC THE SHIP IS STILL SINKING .

That is why I have said THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME .

But how many persons berate the shortcomings of the Pirates ???
It is very apparent that most people on this MB and in the Region are satisfied with th job that the Pirates are doing .

If they were dissatisfied they would have called for the removal of the WICB a very long time ago .

You would no doubt have noticed that when I bring up the numerous faults and flaws of the WICB , I am always being criticized .

THEY DONT BOTHER ME , BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHAT EVER IO WRITE ON THIS MB CANNOT BE DENIED BY ANYONE .

So the players must suffer because of the board's obligations? obligations they entered into without speaking to those that will be involved?

In reply to Chrissy

So where were the PSEUDO SPORTS JOURNALISTS WHEN THIS HAPPENED ??? . NO DOUBT MAKING UP THE BED OF THEIR BEDFELLOWS THE PIRATES .

Let me again ask , why no word on that issue from the so called esteemed sports body in the Region ????.

It is their blind attitude regarding the faults and flaws of the WICB , why I believe Cricket in the Region is at the low level that it currently is , and as long as the Pirates are in control , with the Pseudo Sports Journalists who see no evil but do a lot of evil by their silence , Cricket in the Region will never improve .

The WICB were surely incompetent in wording the contract with Digicel in such a way as to ebable them to get sponsorship fot non-FTP matches, but I guess no one foresesaw then that this would be a future bone of contention. (WIPA didnt, obviously-does that make them incompetent too? -just asking.)
From the players viewpoint, the key is that they are getting match fees. Since there is no sponsorship benefit to be shared, the players really arent giving up anything by playing and they are getting a chance to earn match fees. Had the players struck , India would have gone elsewhere and they would have been out match fees. The WICB 's hands are tied-they cant change the contract wording at this late date.


Kind oif a tempest in a teacup, really.

One possible solution to the mess that now characterizes Windies cricket (players and administrators, in particular)is to implement a "pay for performance" system. No one should expect to get paid for not performing, at least at the basic standards of their discipline. For example, if a player continues to make the Same Stupid Shot Selection (SSSS) and gets out, not only should he miss the next test/ODI/FC match (as appropriate), he should surrender his match fee in its entirety. Similarly, if a WICB member continues to perform at substandard levels, for example, engaging in Nonsensical Negotiations, not only should he lose his pay, he should be summarily dismissed from the board. Currently, the punishment for subpar performances is worth the risk, so the tired mantra about Windies "turning the corner" soon has become decidedly meaningless.

In reply to carib

YUh mean you didn't see it right! We warned allyuh that the Digi contract would lead to pure chaos.

In reply to carib
Ramnarine is a selfish skunt .. :roll:

"the board isn't getting any money from the BCCI. "This tour is a big loss for us. We're covering our own expenses, paying match fees to the players and not getting any money from the Indian board,"

India's board is greedy as rass and killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

Don't they realize that by squeezing the WICB they just adding one more nail in the coffin if Windies cricket?

And if cricket dies here it's less money all around for everyone left.

Who gonna watch Oz versus India 300 times a year?

In reply to carib

"The WICB were surely incompetent in wording the contract with Digicel in such a way as to ebable them to get sponsorship fot non-FTP matches"

Incompetent? More like corrupt to the bone. Guess your friends Braithwaite and Griffiths - did thwy gove you a cut as consultant - who welcomed that stinking deal laughing all the way to the bank.


"And, because the Digicel contract covers all home and away tours (even those outside the FTP), the WICB cannot search for an outside sponsor and must fulfill its obligations, which includes Digicel branding on the players' clothing."

All of us with sense warned the friggin hypocritical dunce Bakra Massas WICB ass lickers - Well done West Indian hero Ted! - that the above part of the Digi deal would bite WI cricket in the ass.

You can't blame the WICB for being so blatantly corrupt when WI fans are so blatantly stupid.

If de gyal fool enough to give way the pum pum for free, who gonna turn it down?

In reply to Chrissy

"In reply to carib

YUh mean you didn't see it right! We warned allyuh that the Digi contract would lead to pure chaos."

Him damn well know that sis. I'm guessing his bakra massas paid him some nice consultant fees.

Ans ah hope the "Well done West Indian hero Ted" asslickeers like Larr Pullo glad what happening now.

Digicel rape West Indies cricket and laughing.

WIPA don't have the audacity to call a strike. They only call one when certain people are in power.

Where are the blowhards? :-o :-o

Don't want to look bad on WC, which is around the corner eh!

In reply to Chrissy

In that case, every time there is a WC the WICB can just tell the players to bend over and get screwed. If the players are willing to do anything for the sake of WC then they'll keep getting the shaft. i really don't see how them adopting this "anything for the WC" stance is going to help them.

In reply to Fortis

Can you give me an example in the civilized world of where a worker is fired AND forfeits his pay for time already spent on the job? Does this job attract the best talent? Do you people think before you come up with these stupid, nonsensical, hairbrained schemes?

In reply to Zikdaman

Leff Fortis. His school brethren would be starving fi all but one ODI for all of 2006. Mek him yield on dat.

In reply to Fortis That would not happen in today's enviroment of professional sports.

In reply to Chrissy

WOW, dat was low :oops:

Haul all alyuh skunts

Blame selfish Shiv....he waan play cricket

Alyuh spot de snake?

Well, well, well I must commend WIPA for assisting their partner WICB. I hope WICB would henceforth treat with the Players as Partners instead of the master/servant modis. This is one time the players have come to WICB's rescue - what with the best team on show on Indian Television.

I must say though that the BCCI are behaving without a conscience. Not all times are the legal entitlements the best options and surely a little humane approach in giving a little to us would have served up a healthier constant in World Cricket. It seems that it is now more a matter of money than cricket for the BCCI and kharma would prove their cup to drink - that attitude would not see India up the charts.

Dont mind Windies cricket would survive and we would move up the Chart - the abase would be exalted as the selfish must come down.

By the way, Let us welcome our new Brian Lara of Windies Cricket = the 16 yr old Adrian Bharath. Lara's mantle would fall on him.

In reply to sabina

And, because the Digicel contract covers all home and away tours (even those outside the FTP), the WICB cannot search for an outside sponsor and must fulfill its obligations, which includes Digicel branding on the players' clothing."

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Thats actually incorrect. The WICB can get a sponsor, but they have to convince Digicel to agree to share sponsorship
( This particular misstatement is constant on this MB),
Generally, Digicel will go along with a cosponsorship, so long as the cosponsor isnt a competitor.
See PEPSI as sponsor for the Indian ODIS:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/story/276014.html

Well, all this talk of incompetency misses the fact that the WICB probably made a profit on the deal.
The full deal is that BCCI agreed to play a fourth Test last year in return for WI participation in the DLP series plus their appearance in the ODIS this year. To figure the value for the deal, the calculation is

AMOUNT OF REVENUE DERIVED FROM THE TEST+
AMOUNT OF REVENUE DERIVED FROM THE DLP SERIES-
AMOUNT OF REVENUE LOST FINANCING THE CURRENT SERIES


If the result returned>0, then the WICB wins.

Of course, WIPA is not happy, since it wants Digicel to pay the players fees for wearing branded clothing in non FTP matches, but unfortunately everyone-including WIPA-signed contracts onbligating them to wear branded clothing in ALL tours.WIPA wants to reverse that, but it has no legal leg to stand on-which is why its trying the issue in the court of public opinion.

In reply to Chrissy

NO ONE-including you-foresaw the the issue of whether the players should be paid fees for wearing branded clothing for non FTP tours. Plainly WIPA didnt see it.
They raised no objection to wearing branded gear in the LAST non FTP series-the DLP tour.
They are kind of late raising the issue now! :D
Legally, they have no recourse since the sponsorship contract requires them to wear branded gear on all WICB matches. thats why they are campaigning in the court of public opinion. Who knows, it may work-but Digicel has the legal whip hand.

In reply to DAVE400

How de hell did you arrive at this conclusion? WIPA seems to be doing the best it can in difficult circumstances here!

In reply to Daya De man trolling, you cyan see da?

The (new look) blog has the raw details:

http://www.caribbeancricket.com/weblog

In reply to Admin

Well that's the name of that tune. Where the people calling Ramnarine 'confrontational' now?

In reply to carib

"Digicel has the legal whip hand"

Yup. They sure got their money's worth from Roger and Teddy and co.

And they sure getting there money's worth from you - always spinning tirelessly on message. You good.

In reply to Chrissy

Your continued disdain of this individual is unfortunate. But, more reasonable critics readily recognize that cricket remains a team sport, so winning or losing is not the domain of the individual member, but the collective. I always thought you had a balanced view of the issues.