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HEADLINE: Bravo Guilty of Excessive Appealing

 
CaribbeanCricket.com Jan 28, 2007, 4:04:29 AM 

West Indies all-rounder Dwayne Bravo has received an official reprimand for breaching the ICC Code of Conduct during his country’s third ODI against India.

Bravo was found guilty of breaching clause 1.5 of the Code by ICC Match Referee Alan Hurst at a hearing that took place following the conclusion of the match in Chennai on Saturday.
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Chrissy Jan 28, 2007, 4:06:00 AM 

brushed the edge of Dinesh Karthik?

Out is out.

 
pufftrini Jan 28, 2007, 4:07:00 AM 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com Double factin standard. When will this rule be applied to the Aussies. The ICC as usual is full of crap.

 
jaydee Jan 28, 2007, 4:16:13 AM 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
I agree with pufftrini-fine edge, thick edge, even back of the bat - out is out - Start to walk -

Maybe he had too much exuberance yet he apologized-so the umpires are saying-what's that song again?-"Sorry Doesn't Always Make It Right"

I agree with that too -Time, then, to start laying fines on umpires when they make mistakes

 
GrimReaper Jan 28, 2007, 4:18:03 AM 

We always seem to be getting the short end of the stick. The West Indies are usually the most reserved when it comes to appealing and we are now being penalized when the batsman was clearly out? Come on!

 
buds Jan 28, 2007, 4:23:14 AM 

Bravo do go over-board with his appealing and dismissals.

Not every wicket require fire-works.

Calm down young man...

 
rikiniki Jan 28, 2007, 4:24:06 AM 

In reply to buds

Not suprising that ah yardie come out in support ah Bravo. :wink:

 
buds Jan 28, 2007, 4:28:15 AM 

In reply to rikiniki

The man just need to calm himself after a wicket or he will be losing more money! After a dismissal the man is all the way to the boundry?

Chill kid, chill..In other words grow-up..

 
rikiniki Jan 28, 2007, 4:30:16 AM 

In reply to buds

Still not suprising. 8)

 
WMD Jan 28, 2007, 4:32:25 AM 

Bravo's offence shouldn't properly come under the rubric of excessive appealing. Maybe he should have fought the case on that technicality.

 
anandgb Jan 28, 2007, 4:33:18 AM 

Show Them Bravo

 
JahJah Jan 28, 2007, 5:08:26 AM 

When will he be found guilty of excessive teefing eh Dikiniki?

 
rikiniki Jan 28, 2007, 5:15:23 AM 

In reply to JahJah

ask Helegance, Lawson, and Dave Bernard.

 
carib Jan 28, 2007, 5:30:12 AM 

In reply to Chrissy

He should appeal on that ground alone.
If the ball brushed the edge of the bat, his appeal was justified, IMO.
I guess they are trying to uphold the rule that the umpire can be wrong, but if the appeal has a basis in fact, its not an excessive apppeal in my book.

 
WMD Jan 28, 2007, 5:34:21 AM 

Huh? Didn't the umpire give Kartik out? I thought the point was that Bravo didn't bother turning around to appeal before celebrating.

 
Isah Jan 28, 2007, 5:51:33 AM 

This is pure double, triple standard, what applies to one should be for all teams, this Hurst fella is an Aussie, he would have been full aware of what the Aussies do....one match referee even said the Aussies team are aggressive with their appeals, when is that a standard for not applying the law to the Aussies....what of some of the Asian teams with their bat/pad dramas..... ?

This is one area WI have to step up to the plate, their appealing leaves much to be desired, it is very encouraging to see Bravo and Taylor leading the pack....shout boys, if you don't ask you will not get....

 
WMD Jan 28, 2007, 6:37:12 AM 



It's the planted axiom effect. rolleyes

Firstly, this case doesn't relate to excessive appealing, and, secondly, all charges and verdicts brought under the ICC's CoC can be seen here:

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/penalties.html

In 2006, Australia was the side with the most offenders. I'll leave it to someone else to collate the totals for other years.

 
BallOil Jan 28, 2007, 6:44:10 AM 

Bravo need to shut the fact up and let his long hops do the rolling.. :lol: :lol:

 
crapaud Jan 28, 2007, 6:45:07 AM 

Don't the umpires know that rule when Aus or SA are playing? How many times do they get done for excessive appealing??? STEWWWWWWWWWWWPPPPPS

 
faada Jan 28, 2007, 6:51:12 AM 

In reply to crapaud

go read WMD last post again, aussies were fined the most last year

 
crapaud Jan 28, 2007, 6:52:15 AM 

In reply to faada
That may well be so, but they still don't get fined enough for the amount they do

 
MarcusGarveyLives Jan 28, 2007, 6:57:14 AM 

My initial general reaction is that neither Bravo nor his team mates appeal either loudly or frequently enough. They should appeal louder and more often as far as I am concerned.

I will see if I have the incident on tape before commenting on the specific incident.

 
Rovdawg Jan 28, 2007, 7:06:35 AM 

Has anybody actually read what the infraction was? WTF does loudness/exhuberance/teefing have to do with anything?

 
WMD Jan 28, 2007, 7:07:23 AM 

If they bowled better, they'd probably have more to shout about.

 
Rovdawg Jan 28, 2007, 7:08:51 AM 

oh yeh...basically what WMD's first post said

 
WMD Jan 28, 2007, 7:09:08 AM 

One must never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, and spoil all the fun.

 
JamMack Jan 28, 2007, 7:43:39 AM 

This is absolute BS. What about when Dinesh Karthik try to thief out Lara? He fully well knew that Lara did not touch the ball and he bagan celebrating before appealing. Di he get penalized for that breach of ethics? BullSh!t

:evil:

 
MarcusGarveyLives Jan 28, 2007, 8:07:45 AM 

I have reviewed the evidence.

Bravo did indeed forget to appeal after the dismissal of Karthick who decided to stand at the wicket after edging to Ramdin. Ramdin did not appeal either, instead throwing the ball high in the air to celebrate the wicket. None of the other 9 West Indies players appealed either, choosing instead to celebrate Bravo's excellent work with him, while Karthick stood his ground.

In future, I suggest that West Indies players submit written appeals as follows:

"Dear Massah,

We humbly request that you consider this a formal appeal for the wicket of the batsman, Mr _______ [insert name]. We have written this in non-excessive black ink, in a non-excessively sized font, and undertake not to celebrate excessively loudly, expressively or otherwise, should you uphold our humble and non-excessive appeal. We specifically undertake not to engage in laughing, clapping, 'high-fives', smiling or any other celebratory behaviour that you, Massah, may consider to be 'excessive'.

We humbly and non-excessively pray that you find in our favour, but hereby unreservedly apologise in advance should you, in your ultimate and infinite wisdom, choose to reject our humble and non-excessive appeal.

Yours faithfully

[Name of designated West Indian "appealer"]

For and on behalf of the West Indies cricket team and 5m people of the Caribbean, worldwide"


That should do the trick.

 
jaydee Jan 28, 2007, 9:05:07 AM 

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
great post-made me laugh
:D :D :D :D :roll:

 
hitforsix Jan 28, 2007, 9:19:59 AM 

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I agree.

Carib...please review and ensure that we have all the tees crossed and the i's dem dotted :lol:

 
jala Jan 28, 2007, 9:44:53 AM 

One of the many one sided rulings by the ICC :twisted:

 
Jimmy Jan 28, 2007, 12:52:30 PM 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

All Level 1 breaches of the ICC Code of Conduct carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand and a maximum penalty of 50 per cent of a player's match fee.


The ICC love to penalize players for less than stupid reasons, and hijack all their earnings. Seems like this is one of the ICC’s primary Fund Raiser…

Any public record of where the penalty Dollar$ are going? Any special fund or charity??????

 
MarcusGarveyLives Jan 28, 2007, 1:00:44 PM 

They are probably using the money to pay Massah Darrell Hair.

 
Rovdawg Jan 28, 2007, 1:16:01 PM 

If Bravo's appealling were so excessive that he did a 360 (would have turned around to the ump at least breifly around the 180 degree mark), he'd have been set.

Here's the stupid part though: excessive appealing in the "excessive appealing" sense is a lot harder to enforce since it's subjective. Frankly that should be more of a concern than which way the bowler faces.

 
Chrissy Jan 28, 2007, 1:25:00 PM 

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

Fabulous MGL :lol:

 
gvenkat Jan 28, 2007, 4:19:54 PM 

ICC is fcuked up... why should one appeal when he knows its out... they can better concentrate on getting the right umpires.. they have fcuked up Rauf who is just a wasted MF.. then we have the clown Steve Fcuknor, Darell Hair and to an extent even clowden..

Instead of that they are concentrating on things like this.. next they will say the decibel level of the appeal was high... :P

 
zimzimma Jan 28, 2007, 6:08:58 PM 

In reply to JamMack

This is absolute BS


nuttn more, nuttn less. phew!

 
Ewart Jan 28, 2007, 6:43:34 PM 

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Good job there! But this stuff is nonsense. Surely, when you know you have a man out you are going to celebrate; this does not constitute excessive appealing. Was there evidence that Bravo had been indulging in fraudulent appeals prior?

It is like the rules these days about sexual harrassment. The word harrass clearly suggests a repeated action, but that is not what the rules have allowed. Any one act is harrassment.

Similarly "excesive" can only be understood in the context of much more than one appeal having been made prior.

 
Nicksy Jan 28, 2007, 11:10:02 PM 

Absolute technical bull. Again the people at the top chatting rubbish. Especially when people like Shane Warne, Gilchrist, Ponting and Hayden used to be appealing every other ball. Sometimes Warne did it when the batsman missed the ball completely. Oh well.

 
Chrissy Jan 29, 2007, 1:40:18 AM 

Maybe di ump wasn't planning to give it and Bravo upset di dolly house business. :lol: Damn double standards as usual.

 
Maispwi Jan 29, 2007, 3:20:36 AM 

The rules of cricket do not require a bowler to face the umpire to appeal. In fact the bowler does not even have to appeal as long as someone else appeals. The ICC have put this in their code of conduct to, in their words, prevent the umpires from being influenced by the celebration or as some umpire put it as a mark of respect for the umpire. In other words you should not celebrate before the batsman has been given out. Soon they will complain about how loud and aggressive the appeal is because it will be deemed intimidatory.

 
bimbo Jan 29, 2007, 3:32:21 AM 

In cricket you have to appeal for the umps to juck di damn man out so what was wrong with Bravo appealing. Rubbish. Excessive appealing is when it is clear to all an sundry that the batsman not out. Bravo need to appeal that fine

 
Chrissy Jan 29, 2007, 3:35:06 AM 

In reply to Maispwi

So when the batsman skies one to long off from di middle of the bat, how does the long off fielder
usually react after taking the catch? The entire process is subjective and facilitates "edgers" 'tiefing'.

 
bimbo Jan 29, 2007, 3:39:17 AM 

In reply to Chrissy Di man dem jus vex cause dem caan stan Bravo's exciting celebrations.

 
rtruetrini Jan 29, 2007, 8:22:36 AM 

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

I cannot stop laughing at this post...well written!!!

 
natty_forever Jan 29, 2007, 8:42:13 AM 

In reply to WMD ... a guess them refuse to read your post. ICC made the rule that when appealing one has to turn and acknowledge the umpire. Is not the excessiveness, is the non-compliance with the rule, simple like you been saying.

 
natty_forever Jan 29, 2007, 8:45:23 AM 

In reply to Maispwi

The rules of cricket do not require a bowler to face the umpire to appeal.
... it does now.

 
MarcusGarveyLives Jan 29, 2007, 9:13:37 AM 

How many of you have ever studied the behaviour of the now retired Shane Warne when he appealed?

How many time was he ever reprimanded?

 
MarcusGarveyLives Feb 2, 2007, 12:17:55 PM 

... remember, from now on it's "How is that please massah boss?"