West Indies middle order batsman Marlon Samuels has been accused of playing a part in fixing the first One Day International between India and the West Indies in Nagpur on January 21, according to press reports out of India.

CaribbeanCricket.com has confirmed that police in Nagpur sent a letter to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) offering "definitive proof" of telephone conversations between Samuels and bookie Mukesh Kochchar during which vital match information was allegedly leaked by the Jamaican batsman.
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HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!

it that all?

Even the guys at cricinfo knew it was gonna be a belta:

link

the windies batting order didn't have any real surprises per se...team strategy is the only real info to speak of

Is that all?

Are you serious?

If these allegations are proven it will likely be the end of Marlon's cricketing career.

One also has to wonder if the team strategies were relayed to the Indian team.

That's it?

I could have stayed from 20,000 miles away and told them the batting lineup and pitch condition!!!

Marlon might end up a rich man after all....thats after he sues the hell out of these bastards.

I think I'll wait until there are some details before I form any opinions on this matter.

Arawak

I don't see a case there , who wanna bet there is no trial!

In reply to jacksprat

My sentiments exactly. All the aforementioned information can be gotten from any commentator, prior to the match. Why would someone fix a match and produce the way he did with both bat and ball. If anything, his figures would have been marginal.

wait...our team has a strategy?

The one thing marlon has going for him is that they do not have any evidence of payments being made. That would minimize any sanctions against him.

Regardless, the WICB will be under pressure to omit him from the squad for the WC.

In reply to Kurt

We still adhere to the priciple of natural justice in the Caribbean.

Thankfully, the ICC has not yet be allowed to hijack our system of jurisprudence!!!

In reply to KurtRegardless, the WICB will be under pressure to omit him from the squad for the WC.


Under pressure from whom, how many games Gibbs played before he returned to India to answer charges?

In reply to SirGarny

Y'all starting to sound like some real NOOBS!!!

Bookies thrive on information....any information.

It might seem innocuous to you, but the bookie looking for an edge so that he could fix the vig.

In reply to jacksprat

We do?

From the ICC who do not wany any suspicion of match-fixing to taint the upcoming World Cup which is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

In reply to Larr Pullo ... tell them. Marlon stupid if he thought what he was doing was innocent, if he did it.

In reply to Kurt

if they omit him then it means something has happened... there is no smoke without fire.. we should include him and prove he is indeed innocent... :lol: :lol:

In reply to Kurt if the charges are even true the prosecutor won't even have a case ready in 6 months!

Like Kurt said...ICC don't want any hint of corruption in WC...and Samuels may be omitted for that reason...right or wrong....Windies cannot allow controversies to cloud their tournament...millions at stake!

In reply to ray

Luckily Deonarine seems to be in good nick.....

"i smell a rat" literally....
maybe certain elements in indian cricket is trying to intimidate the wi into supporting their canditate for the icc top job...it has been suggested that wi intends to support the english candidate...something to think about before one condems marlon samuels...

In reply to ray

thats the sad part..a played without being investigated properly cannot b punished..samuels must b picked...

Call me naive but I am convinced that a West Indian cricketer would never sell out his team for money. A Test cricketer is right at the top echelon of our society and I know that the players know how important the team is to the West Indian public. I am outright rejecting the accusation.

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Report from India Times

Nagpur police was quoted by the TV channel as saying that it has stumbled upon startling revelations, including taped phone conversations, allegedly between Samuels and Kochchar.

Kochchar, reportedly an aide of underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, had allegedly called up Samuels in Room No 206 of Hotel Pride, located just a kilometre away from the airport in Nagpur.

The police however clarified that the SIM card used to make the calls was not registered in Kocher's name. Further investigations are on to get to the bottom of this scandal.

The BCCI is said to have received a letter from Nagpur police, mentioning definitive proof in the telephone conversation

In reply to pufftrini

AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!


WAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

man i really should not roll around on the office floor so but....


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

In reply to Larr Pullo Laugh away Horse. dat is your perogative. i believe what i believe.

In reply to Disciple So Marlon talk to a man who call up his hotel room. Where is the crime?

I just looked at the ICC regulations here

Note it is not actually a violation of these regulations to provide the type of info marlon is alledged to have provided, only to receive "money, benefit or other reward" for so doing.

As they have no proof that Marlon received such compensation he might be able to squeeze through the loop-hole in the laws.

However, every player is required to report any approach made to him by a book-maker. Marlon might plausibly be able to deny that he knew the individual in question was a book-maker or might even be able to say that he reported the approach, provided he could get someone to back up that claim.

Regardless, if marlon is leaking team strategies to individuals unconnected to the team he deserves to be disciplined and that has nothing to do with ICC regulations but basic team discipline.

Marlon should give a statement immediatly... saying he has no connections to these alleged match-fixing...

I`m pretty sure no story wud have been printed unless there is sufficient edivence to support the allegation a la Cronjegate

In reply to pufftriniSo Marlon talk to a man who call up his hotel room. Where is the crime?




That my question also, where is the rest of the proof?

In reply to camos

What he having strange men in his room for?

In reply to Larr Pullo the allegation said the man was on the phone.

In reply to Larr Pullo

You can say that again.....

In reply to Kurt

Oh Skurnt............any action by team, players, management is bettable... is bettable.

Why don't you try that again? Maybe this time in English.

In reply to Kurt

You must be ''dumb'' not to understand what the allegation is and what the
implications are....to insinuate the WI team management must discipline Samuels for this....he is in facting hell and hot, hot water here.....

Just heard this on SKY. Hope Marlon has a get out of jail card and a good lawyer. this could be very serious and is just SAD

interesting that this comes out on the heels of samuels being arguably our best batsmen in the just concluded series.

not saying it aint true but its just curious timing.

wonder what team strategies Marlon was talkin bout? :lol:

In reply to ray

do we have a strategy... :wink:

In reply to gvenkat

The fact that we don't have a strategy is a gold mine to a bookie....

He could run a line on that too....

"WI have no strategy.." 20 to 1 against!!

In reply to gvenkat

oh fuck....now i know why di indian bowlers were bowling at matrix's stumps..while swinging it in... :lol: :lol:

In reply to prasad

u dont need to fix anything with the matrix... it all happens :P

In reply to Larr Pullo

Shamuels told the Indians how to out everybody

except himself & Shiv.

In reply to Yadi

if at all this skunt is proved guilty.. god forbid, we are becoming another pakistan

In reply to gvenkat

:)but then..i thought it isnt that much of a closed strategy..

If it is true I still don't understand why so many people are shocked. Marlon is a human and therefore very very fallible like we all are. It doesn't have anything to do with being West Indian and automatically assuming he made of better moral fibre than any other .

In reply to kami

Match can only fis in India?

Does WI management have security personnel who lecture these players about the type of encounters they may have and how to conduct themselves if ever approached in any manner about team info, confidential or not?

There should be standard guidelines that players a reminded of especially before each tour. These unsavory characters are versed in the art of disguising their true intent and if you are not properly prepared they subvert you without you even know what u are doing.

I sincerely hope there is nothing to this; it would be a shame and a tragedy.

In reply to kami

Well those of us shocked are more so by his alleged stupidity than his fallibility. India is known for these kind of match fixing/gambling fiascos - he has no place to be discussing any of this information with strangers. Even as harmless as the information sounds. The players are warned and advised of this constantly.

CricketNext spin on this!

In reply to ray

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

WAIT.....

Who Won the Toss ?

What happened again ?

How many XTRAS were given away in that game

Any DROPPED CATCHES etc...etc

Regards................COACH

In reply to Kurt

You seem very quick to pass judgement on Marlon here ..
do you have some information that the rest of us don't??

Batting line-up decided the night before?? Why would
they ask Marlon about pitch conditions anyway??

On teh evidence given here, The information was worth nothing. So wa's de bug fusssssssss

Yall give de man a break na

I dont know why any bookie would take the word of a WI cricketer when it comes to

Does WI have a standard batting lineup...It seems to change with every game and seems random...does Samuels even know what position in the batting lineup he would be batting at...

Team strategies...well its obvious to everyone that WI's strategy is to bowl first and attempt to chase any target whether 350 or 200...As for other strategies..maybe the bookies can actually help like to tell the WI team how to dismiss tail-enders...or how to chase a target without collapsing at the end..

But seriously, if Samuels was involved in match-fixing here, this is probably the end of his career...

In reply to primedog

Well he is about to learn a lesson about actions and consequences according to how the story plays out

cricinfo

In reply to Arawak

Ditto. I'll wait.

Nothing like starting some anti-WI cass cass before the World Cup. Funny how gambling is illegal in India but the police and the bookies meet to share notes.
Anyway the WI still not voting for Powar.

Hear nuh man.....the question of whether he get money or not is moot.....if it can be proven that he give away team information to ah stranger.......he has to be sanctioned, first and foremost by the WICB.

In reply to Chrissy Injuns are some corrupt.....

samuels was asked to stay in india after di series....samuels disclosed what wud b the decision if windies won the toss...and disclosed the bowling lineup(mayb the order)..reports NDTV...

In reply to prasad

Whoa! Surprise-surprise, WI win toss and decide to chase! :roll:

In reply to ends

mayb the bookie did want to make it sure...new channels talking abt his 70ball 40 innings in such a chase..

I assume as part of the team's training, matters such as these are discussed.
Like DO's and DON'Ts, cultural nuances especially when they are travelling, etc.

In reply to Kurt
What a shame! If he did not make a report to his Captain or his Manager about that phone call then he is in violation of the ICC code of conduct as set v out on page 3 of the link.
It is as simple as that.He might have done it in ignorance. but that is no excuse.The WIPA may have thought it fit to inform all players of these rules. Remember we have so many naive young people involved in the game, you have to tell them everything. Even how to dress for certain occasions ect ect.

wuh kinda slackness is dis....wuh kinda halfway reporting/editing is this?

In reply to Runs They will even attempt to corrupt god.. :lol:

So does this mean he outa de WC squad pending the investigation?

Folks I like the majority on this MB believe in 'innocent before guilty'. So far all I am seeing is alleged conversations between some shady dude and Marlon. There is not enough evidence here. For a crime to have been committed, there needs to be proof that not only did Marlon provide 'inside' information but he received compensation in return for the info. Without the compensation the alleged incident changes from crime to 'poor judgement'.

Question, what if it was somebody that Marlon met say at an official function who was curious about certain things. Would Marlon have been advised before hand to not disclose certain info? Anyone one with knowledge as to what the players are advised to say and not say.

In reply to anandgb The problem with situation like this is that even if nothing comes of it, Samuels will always hear it from the people in the sands especially when he misfields or get out for low or no score. The catcalls will be there asking if the fix is in, if he call his bookie etc.

Anyway you take it, it the conversation is one that he has to wish he could take back. No matter what spin is put on this it is a very unfortunate scenario that could kill a career that just might have been getting on track.

In reply to Rovdawg

My thoughts exactly when I read that...
:-o :shock:

In reply to anandgb

Certainly hope so 8)

If Sammy had listen to me and tear up them Gals pussy when he had the chance, this alleged allegation could not have happen. But then again Sammy probably tek the Bookie unman to the drawing board and it did not sit right with him; that’s why he allegedly spill the beans :lol: :lol: :lol:

In reply to Chrissy

I agree that he can't be convicted before he's tried, but you have to admit that it was poor judgment to event discuss even seemingly inoccuous stuff like this with people you don't know.

Does this mean that he won't be selected until a hearing on this allegation?

Where does the WICB sit on this.Is there anything coming from them?anyone?

This look and smell like it was a setup.

In reply to Arawak

well said

In reply to kami

Semblance of sanity amidst all the emotion..
The question I have for all the posters is, how would the WICB and police authorities in the Caribbean have reacted had something like this happened in the Caribbean?