The following is the statement from the police in Nagpur regarding match-fixing allegations involving West Indies cricket Marlon Samuels.

"It was observed that one of the West Indian players, staying in the room number 2006 of the Pride Hotel, was talking to an underworld person who is also a bookie before the match."
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The Indian police deciding on ICC breaches now? Look WICB not voting for Powar. Tell dem Indian police to look up their so called illegal bookies. Looks like dem in bed with them.

In reply to Chrissy

You like the mother who son was a thief and he get shoot, and you wail and bawl about how good he is.

What does Powar have to do with this?

In reply to Larr Pullo

She has a point...what business the Police have with an ICC code of conduct matter? They deliberately blurring the distinction between unethical and criminal.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

What a bonehead. Talking on de damn hotel phone.
He should be relieved of all existing (if any) cell phone promotional contracts :D

In reply to Larr Pullo

Did the Indian Police listen took the conversations

between Indian players & bookies?

In reply to Larr Pullo

You're like a scandal seeking Miss Lashie. I wait for the official processes to sort out rumours and innuendo. I prefer being me. :roll:

In reply to ends

All they did was record and pass on the information to the BCCI...who in turn passed it on to the ICC. It's up to the ICC now to judge.

It looks like Samuels got caught up in the middle of an investigation of the gambler.

In reply to Chrissy

And you like an old woman with holes in your baggy drawers....sit down and shut up!!

"We wanted to come to conclusion, but we could not."

Sounds like much ado about nothing to me.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Typical Miss Lashie behaviour :lol: :roll:

In reply to Yadi

In reply to Chrissy

Ms lashie sounds like an intelligent woman...introduce me to her.... :D

This is not to excuse Samuels; but it does seem odd that the Indian police are spending their time policing ICC codes of conduct. Aren't there any serious crimes in India?

""""that no player should talk to an outsider during the match""""

really?..but didn't he say they were talking before the match?

In reply to crapaud

All of these guys are connected to Indian underground mafia. Match fixing has caused India some serious embarrasment in the past.

In reply to Wally-1 I had no idea that they could not do that either. What's the reason for that?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Check yuh mirror :roll:

I wonder what ever happened to that scandal with the "leaking of team information" in the Ashes?
I wonder why they took it so seriously? I wonder if the Barmy Army would have defended a player leaking such information?

In reply to Wally-1

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com ""'probably the team complexion as well"'

pupa jeeeesus, probably the team composition?..dem good fi true

In reply to anansi

It causes them embarassment only because they seem obsessed with unearthing it!!

The players are warned and are well aware of who the boookies are, MARLON should have run a mile away from him when approached.

In reply to Runs

How the hell our players are supposed to nknow who is and who is not a bookie. You tell me who they must talk to with all these promotional events, modelling and other stuff.

This is nothing more than pre world cup psyc ops crap. Tell dem WI not voting for Powar yuh hear.

In reply to Chrissy

All other things aside it seems kind of scary the difference in the amount of privacy that you can expect in India if they could tap the man phone base on "something fishy."

Jamaica so big and they can't find one lawyer to tell Marlon not to comment on this thing at this stage?

In reply to primedog

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

cutass!!

Sammy dead!

Hook line and sinker!

In reply to vulcan

In India, "fishy" is probable cause....

They all use the British system of jurisprudence....

eg in Guyana they arrest people for "acting suspicious"...nowhere did they ever define what "acting suspicious" means.

So maybe Sammy shake the man hand and that was enough for them to get a wire tap...

In reply to Larr Pullo
BTW, it's not Miss Lashie.....it is Modda Lashie......is suh unnu Guyanese guy a people place and mangle dem sayings. Yuh still want to meet har?

In reply to vulcan

Dem talking bout salt fish

Sammy having too much salt fish in India

even police does get jealous

I had to ROTFL at the so-called police report...It is at first glance full of hot-air, but really not substantial or cast iron in the charge being leveled at Samuel.

In these days and ages of mass-media and wired world, the players SHOULD have known (they were probably told before hand) that they should be careful of talking to strangers or getting entangled with strangers including women when they're on tour otherwise they will get splashed across the local tabloid, or get their r@ss handed in by the local bobby brimming with bristling pride for some ego boosting.

Have allyuh forget the infamous bust up involving Akram, Younis, Mushtaq Ahmed & an another player who were all arrested by the Grenada police, accused of possessing marijuana during the 1993 Tour of the WI??? Oh look it's Grenada being mentioned AGAIN! LOL!

The only thing fishy about this story is the behavior of the Indian police.

No matter what the instructions were ahead of the tour, you mean to say one can't have an innocent discussion about cricket with another person?

I would have to hear the actual conversation on the police tape before I go hanging out Marlon to dry.

This all looks like a police sting, and after coming dry, the cops still decided to still brand Samuels with innuendo of wrongdoing.

Is that an actual police report? That is the wort possible English I have seen. What does "fishy" mean? On waht authority did they tap the phone? On India you can just tap someon'es phoner/ No cour order etc? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark and that report stinks to high heaven

In reply to ProWI
If your questions aren't entirely rhetorical and you really want to know the answers, I will refer to my post on this thread
Hope it would clarify something...

If what is reported here is in fact a true account, then we are to ask ourselves:

Why de fcuk the player was detailing the info?

That is the key. We await the decision or decisions.

I do hope the player is not culpable

frank

Like the emperor's wife, the players must all be above the appearance of suspicion. Under this standard, Samuels has erred.

Larr...Something I don't understand. Why Samuels is being allowed to speak to these reporters, etc and not through a legal mind? Where is Samuels..where is the management team?

What he says can be held against him. He needs to shut up and consult the management team first, then they should hire legals minds and speak on his behalf.

I think ignorance of the law is no excuse and I suspect the ICC will pin him. It's improper to give out any info on team's strategy, etc. He should know the fine prints of the game. He should have found it strange someone approaching him about info like such and entertaining it; whether he is a reporter, book-maker, opposition player. Dumb Move!

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
So well known illegal bookies (known to police) are allowed to walk the streets freely, even enter hotels (or talk on the phone-not clear) to meet cricketers and when those evil cricketers talk to them, they become fishy (suspicious)- sounds like Trinidad and Jamaica where crims are right and right are crims- That non-fishy criminal's phone is not wiretapped apparetenly, instead they wiretap the fishy cricketer - yep, wiretap based on ??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :roll:

ok jaydee...that bookie is also arrested and sent to jail....what will wi cricket gain from it...dont look beyond samuels in this matter..

In reply to jaydee
Indian police do arrest and charge the bookmakers when there is firm evidence..It's just that that kind of news doesn't get splashed across the Caribbean..
Ironically, the shady transactions come to light only when the other party is famous..
It's very possible that these bookies are very elusive otherwise..
Before casting aspersions on the morality of a whole nation, you should have some common sense and think thru..

In reply to Surya
Look you are very respectful and i don't mean to insult you-however - seems like Trinidad to me- Kidnappers walk free, police are kidnappers, and the victims are to be blamed- crime and morality knows no country or genetic boundaries- and entire nations (not yours) can easily become corrupt (corrupted as in Hellenization of the Jews-334 BC to 70 AD), looking one way for some things and another way for others- You see crime, you should lock them up -maybe not 41 bullets-but alterness and action will do

In reply to Surya
Well said.
There may be a few corrupt officers but to tarnish the whole nation is ridiculous and that does not excuse Samuels if he is proven guilty.

In reply to jaydee
Your pessimism about the efficacy of systems because of some blacksheep is NOT out of place..However one would find it very difficult to come to sweeping generalizations about any system in a democratic society..

In reply to Larr Pullo Have respect for your elders!!!!

In reply to crapaud Budday in India gambling in cricket is big time as Samuels is alleged to have told the alleged bookie he was bowling first change even things like that they bet on.

Now if this is true....then we should all take a different look at the defeat in India.....AND STOP BLAMING SHIV FOR THE LOSS.

In reply to jasingh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In reply to denoke

Chrissy is afraid Lara would be implicated in this whole thing. WICB needs to act quickly on damage control and replace Lara as capo in addition Samuels should be left out of the final 14 to avoid distractions.

Lara's past looks shady with the Indian bookies.

In reply to Surya

In reply to seetarg
These bookies are legitimate businessmen- much like you would find in our own countries-Police investigate them for years, but only reveal information when someone outside is involved - hmmmmmmmmmm
It is the right of any West indian entrepreneur to sell jewelry :wink:

In reply to jasingh
Hahaha...

In reply to natty_forever My apologies

In reply to seetarg
How did Lara get into this?

In reply to Spicy

In reply to Surya
Hmm ok.

What is Samuels doing giving out info on team composition, team strategy, batting order, etc? He couldnt be that daft. There must be more in the mortar than the pestle.

In reply to Chrissy
well apparantly this particular playwer did know the man in question "Kochar" as did his mother (see her quote in cricinfo) He apparantly called marlon often and even spoke with his mum enquiring about Marlon's injury.
Marlon is either an absolute idiot or smoking something!!!
But for the other idiots on this MB to include Lara, when his name has not even been uttered, is malicious at best and libellous at better!

Hey Guys, First we need to stop packing this thread with name callings and tongue lashing (larr pullo & chrissy mainly). It does no good for the web-site . We need to stick to our points, jokes, comments and let the forum be pleasant to read.. and not crowed with junk. I dont know if any else agree with me?

As for Marlon. He has been playing cricket for a long time. He knows about bookies, India, and the problems associated with betting. He was very very wrong to indulge in any form of conversation with this guy during the tour. He should have known better, even if it was just friendly chat. Marlon is wrong, not in terms of legality or code of conduct (since we do not have a verdit), but wrong judgement, putting his cricket future in the spot light again, after a up & down journey. He has just put another blot in his cricketing future, for a guy who is trying to secure a permanent spot in the lineup. This was poor, poor judgement.

For those who wrote about Lara. His name has not been called, so no need to mix him up in this. For sure Lara, as better "tack" & plans in dealing with problems & situations - not sure if Marlon does..