In reply to HumbleCalf

WOULD U LIKE TO DIE, BEING AWAY FROM UR FAMILY AND WITHOUT SAYING GOOD BYE TO EVERYONE ELSE

ALL OF US HAS TO GO SOMEDAY, BUTS ITS JUST SAD THAT HE WENT AROUND SUCH DISAPPOINTMENT

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
:D I figured it would only be people like, you, me and Southie (and one or two others) who would not get our panties in a knot about a thought like this expressed at this time. :lol:

In reply to cricketmygame
What!! How many people get to do those things?

Listen, the sad part is that the man died and he died at an age where he still had more left in that tank....end of story!

Now, pay attention to the 3 points I raised at tell me if the observations are wrong.....or is it just that people cannot stomach the truth at this time?

Does the fact that Woolmer has died preclude critical analysis of his career? Would the same standards be applied to a West Indian player of the past?

The sudden hero worship of Woolmer is puzzling.

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives


Those quotes, capture the essence of the matter brilliantly!!

I always knew we would find common ground!

Bob Woolmer:

(a) was one of those who sought to profit from the white supremacist apartheid regime of South Africa when he went there as one of the so-called 'rebels' (or, more appropriately, sanction-busting mercenaries) in 1981-82;

(b) was coach of an international team implicated in some of the most serious allegations of bribery, match fixing and corruption, apparently led by his captain and right-hand man;

(c) has been described as a 'visionary' and 'innovative' coach, who despite his 'vision' and 'innovation' failed to win any significant honours at internaional level.

Those seem to me to be the facts before and after his death.

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Is no different dan de murderer muddah who bawlin "meh chile was a good boy and never hurt nobody"

People tend to accentuate de positive, even color de trute for de departed.

Nutting wrong wit dat. Dem gone.

Is why it have a saying..."If yuh have nutting good to say at dat time...bess yuh doh say nutting."

In reply to imusic
Well said..

Well I don't know much about the man outside his cricketing/coaching exploits,but I felt his pain and disappointment considering he never underestimated Ireland ....his team did. The fact that he died after the sadness made ME feel really sad....he was not an emotionless bastard, he was a guy who ate,drank and live cricket.

The memory of him packing away his laptop in disappointment and the pain etched on his face will stay with me forever and I don't care if he's white,black,brown and blue....I felt pain and natural sorrow on hearing his death.

Again I say may his soul rest in peace.

In reply to HumbleCalf
Good shot at a "contrarian" thought process..
-Why now? Why didn't you publish your critique of Woolmer's coaching credentials before?
-You have obviously read all the tributes on this MB..How many of them implied that it's because it's a white man? How many of them talked about his astuteness and coaching acumen?
Most posters were shocked that a fellow human being died because of the stress of a game..
Is expression of sympathy and shock bad?
I am not calling for forgetting historical experiences and even abandonment of ideologies...

In reply to HumbleCalf

Your lead post is very disturbing. However, you are entitled to have that opinion, no matter how misguided and ignorant it is.

I think most posters regretted the way he died given the events of the day before. And you do not know whether he suffered.

Overall, it was a distasteful post for such a tragic event.

In reply to Surya
Why now? I feel like Inzy now. Well not quite I am sure Inzy feels much worse.
Surya, if you read what I wrote, I do not think I said anything bad about Bob - tell me if I am wrong.

I said three things - the first is what's so terrible about his death and I can understand where some people are coming from there so no argument - I pointed out why it may be considered terrible so I understand.

The second is, a lot of us clearly bash the White man at every chance - as I recall when Bob was a possibility for the Windies coaching job, a lot of people say "No White Coach" - so how come all of a sudden some of those same people are chatting how this is sad? Let me ask you this, is certain people start to feel sorry for Tendy, wouldn't you question their sincerity?

The third point is how can we blame journalists?

Look, obviously, I would not raise this issue if it was not a MB - I too believe in what imusic said. But this is a MB, and as long I do not disparage the man - I do not feel the issue is in poor taste.

Why now? Answer - because I consider the cow bawling here VERY hypocritical.

In reply to dcbreds
In your mind what was so disturbing - I made three points - which one was?

In reply to HumbleCalf

If people didn't want a "White coach", does it mean that people should NOT come out and express sympathy?
Did you find the sympathy and expression of shock to be race based or credential based?

In reply to Surya
No, but don't you find it a little mystifying that we do not want to be close to the guy but yet are sympathetic. Kinda like then White people back in the day who never want to give a Black man a job but when said Black man dies from hunger they send sympathy card....