The Independent Voice of West Indies Cricket
(The following statement was issued by the West Indies Cricket Board) today:
The President of the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB), Mr. Kenneth Gordon, and the CEO, Mr. Bruce Aanensen, met today with representatives of the Selection Committee, Cricket Committee, the Board and Management of the organisation to plan the way forward following the team’s disappointing performance in the World Cup. Full Story
In reply to FanAttick
Did they specifically mention blood testing?
In reply to Larr Pullo
Not that I can recall(per Gonzales)
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com I was of the opinion that most of the steps they outlined were things that were all implemented and were in full flow, so what is this all about, what were they doing all along?
In reply to Larr Pullo
btw - when since Board dictating criteria for team selection? Isnt that the purview of the Cricket Committee(formerly Win World Cup Committee)?
The only criteria that should be dictated by the Board should do with matriculation - such as playing in a minimum number of regional games, etc.
Dem Trini dangerous eeh. This is a backdoor attempt to disqualify Sarwan - and sneak in Cannabis.
waaahhhhhh , oohhhh mi mummmaaaa waaaaahhhhh wooooie. :lol: :lol: :lol:
When big man talk no dog bark. waaaahhhhh :lol:
Days of our lives
In reply to FanAttick
In reply to faada
Twissy seh he quit - but its not effective until after the world cup or dem catch the pegasus strangler - whichever comes last. :D
How soon before somebody claims these measures as WIPA's idea?
On another note, Lara to join cricket committee?
"The Cricket Committee will be expanded to include more players who recently retired from the game."
Well if the team is actually announced on the 25th, that will be the 1st sign that these peeps mean business!
In reply to ends
That is an attempt to load up the cricket committee with Trinis - so that they will control the nomination and confirmation of the captain.
In reply to FanAttick
In reply to birdseye
Flashback to 1997. Robert Samuels had just returned from a difficult tour of Oz when he scored 76 and 35* in the last test at Perth that WI won.
The next WI series(at home)was against India(much softer opposition than Oz). Traditionally Samuels would have been the automatic choice for opener on two counts.
1. He was part of a winning team
2. He performed very well in his last test
But lo and behold Wes Hall the then chairman of selectors announced a new criterion for selection. Instead of performance to date in tests - selection would be based on form in the regional tournament.
On this basis Stuart Williams(who had a miserable career up to that point) was selected ahead of Samuels who never saw WI colors again.
This is exactly the situation that is happening today with the rules of engagement changing in mid-stream to justify the appointment of Cannabis and the avoidance of the inevitable Sarwan captaincy.
In reply to FanAttick
Time will tell if this FUGGING EGOMANIAC is allowed to further destroy WI cricket.
In reply to Dukes
Whic egomaniac exactly you talking about?
In reply to ends You are not easy :lol:
Remember your misty eyes :wink:
In reply to Dukes
Yuh done know me already - that injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.
When I cuss peeps on this board who remain silent unless it is dem boy who is the victim peeps seh dat I insular. Sarwan is not my boy per se - but I hate to see injustice meted out like this.
Twissy and co - are so up in arms that Zee Prince gone - dem couldnt care less what happen to anyone else. In fact misery loves company so they would be more than happy to see Sarwan left out in the cold.
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In reply to Surya
check ur PM...
In reply to FanAttick
Look the captaincy will come down to a 400 meter sprint off between Sarwan and Ganga....whoever win gets it.
Sarwan reportedly was seen in the National Park doing situps this morning!
In reply to Larr Pullo
Dr Sidie is the starter? :D
In reply to FanAttick
Dr Sidie conspiring with Spuds to get him to run in Sarwan place.... :lol: :lol:
In reply to FanAttick What you are saying makes sense, else why start this crap now about new captaincy selection process?
The other thing is if Sarwan is rightly given the opportunity to govern, by teh delay?
I smell some fish that have been out in teh sun for a while.......... :lol:
It would definietly be a travesty if they further screw around with the team by dissing Sarwan once again.
It all shows that these guys are not concerned with building and winning. I wonder if any of thme really do think that Sarwan will be a happy camper playing to their fiddle for teh rest of his life?
Reallll disgusting indeed.
In reply to Larr Pullo
The only hope for Dr Sidie is to get Runout to be written into the rules and get Marlon Samuels on the Ganga team post haste. :D
In reply to Larr Pullo Did Sarwan hire a PR specialist to disseminate these positives actions? :lol:
In reply to anandgb
Look bro - Caribbean people are stupid. That is why this BS can happen repeatedly.
In reply to anandgb
He's too busy training.....he'll get to it after tomorrow's thirty mile jog from Georgetown to Unity and back.
In reply to FanAttick So let us mount a serious campaign now to stop the nonsense
In reply to Larr Pullo He running to Unity to get Shiv's support? Cuz teh other one and him na pals.
In reply to anandgb
Let them give it to Ganga...no person has a right to the captaincy. Either he'll thrive or he'll crash and burn.
Sars just has to score his runs and keep working on his game.
In reply to Larr Pullo So you playing a non-player cappo?
In reply to anandgb
Steeeuuuppps.
These guidelines eh mean jack.
Accountability in their terms means that they will all accept responsibility for whatever decisions WICB makes. However, it does not make them accountable to anyone outside of WICB.
They talk about stakeholders. Their definition of stakeholder does not include WI supporters.
So all they are really doing here is circling the wagons and strengthening the cabal.
In reply to anandgb
Right now Ganga is a sure pick on the test team.
Whether he could retain that status under the pressure of the captaincy remains to be seen.
In reply to dcbreds I nominate you as ourt representative on the board. And if they give you a hard time about it, tell them you will have Ziks talk to them seriously.
Tell them not to mess with us fans cuz we also have an Inhouse attornet, surgeon, a few Drs. of internal medicine ( this is a serious threat for those who resist)
and a few psychologists as well.
In reply to Larr Pullo He is a sure pick for teh test team for how long? I would rather see him perform consistently for another 2 tours at least before making such a claim.
Remember how much a certain pick Hinds was that Fazeer was singing his praises as a leader?
Who will captain the ODI team?
In reply to anandgb
Trust me, some of them have bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, pervasive development disorder, dementia and impulse control disorders. 8)
OK ah getting too techical. Suffice it to say that we have a set a crazy baldheads on the Board. :lol:
as far as i am concerned this is the most important point of the release, its not who is gonna be captain...its this:
5. Rationalising where necessary existing procedures and conflicts of interest.
i dont trust existing members of the board and its surrogates to do this on their own. that would be like the proverbial police, policing the police. make no mistake, this is about the feeding tree, the trough that the snouts have feasted in. so i am far from convinced that the existing board members can do this on their own. this is learned behavior. its difficult to unlearn without some mechanism aimed at inculcating the new behavior.
its very clear that moves are afoot to rebuild. how earnest are they? if ganga is elevated to skipper and reading between the lines id say that this is not as improbable as it first appeared - id say they are doing him a disservice because:
* The selection of a new Captain for the England Tour will be based on criteria agreed to among the Board, Cricket Committee and the Selectors. The appointment will be for a limited duration during which time the performance of the appointee will be closely monitored and evaluated.
whoever is appointed, my view is that he would need a full vote of confidence. one tour away from home in england is not a full vote of confidence. it is at best a limited endorsement. and in all probability the new cappo will not acheive instant results especially as he will be working with a new coach who has a new ideas and a new style. whoever is appointed that would be the real basket to carry water.
In reply to southward
Looks like Ganga will be Test cappo. Fat boy Sarwan better start running laps to qualify as ODI captain
In reply to powen001
i only pose a very obvious question. how can they possibly do it?
i draw your attention to the following;
1. Confidentiality and public statements.
2. Principles of accountability – accepting responsibility for individual and collective actions.
there is something all together weird about those two. ryan and tony deyal (wicb marketing) have had a running battle on confidentiality of the board. well here ryan is vindicated...they have openly acknowledged they have a problem.
and here in #2, something totally foreign to boards traditional and historical way of doing things is suggested. in fact its foreign to caribbean life in general. so id say someone or some faction in the board is starting to raise the real issues?
it seems too, they someone knows that we will have wholescale changes for the tour to england (if it goes ahead).
In reply to southward
Actually, given the problematical nature of both Sarwan & Ganga as captaincy picks, they are wise to make the captaincy appintment a short term one. NO One is really confident that either of those picks will work out.
In reply to powen001
Hey, at least they are TALKING about thse things. THats progress. Lets see what they come up with , before we condemn them.
In reply to carib
but, let me asks you, whoever skippers wot type of results do you expect in england. its clear theres going to be names you and i would not think obvious picks, i expect with a new team, we are likely to fold in the tests. and we may win a game or two in the odi's. overall we are going to loose again.
if the cappo is gonna be evaluated closely then results will count. lets say for arguments sake they pick ganga. he loses and he has an iffy series with the bat.
wot then?
I wonder if Ganga were made captain-not coincidentally another compatriot of the incumbent president-we would have a pricipledoutcry against the manipulation of the process, by changing the criteria in midstream, to benefit a homeboy, we would have a principled denounciation of this travesty, by the same forces that objected to another president having two of his countrymen as captain while he was in office?
Just wondering......
In reply to jacksprat
What's midstream? Obviously the WICB is an organization in flux so they can make any change as they see fit.
Like I said there is no enshrined constitutional edict that would be violated if Ganga was made captain ahead of sarwan, i just hope that whoever it is would be supported and ready for the job.
In reply to Larr Pullo
Well the criteria really are incidental to the premise of something being sinister-as was once claimed-for two captains to come from the same country as the president 
Moreover, I seem to recall as big hue and cry when the recommendation of the selector was ignored and the President/Board opted to go in another direction with regard to the captaincy.
In a word, the main issue is one of consistency....
In reply to FanAttick
Unfortunately, all of these big ideas about the criteria to choose the captain has been created simply to screw Sarwan. It shows that the more they claim things change the more they remain the same. I don't think Sars should be the Captain but why not just say so or appoint him for one tour. After all he has been Vice for two terms. Why all this intrigue? Andy Roberts wants Bouncing Joseph but I believe Ganga would be a better choice right now. As I have said before Sars has discipline and fitness problems and he is part of the most indisciplined group in this present team.Ganga seems to be a natural leader and he is not afraid to drop the axe when needs be.
sarwan has no birthright to captain the wi. from what i saw at the games he seems fat, unfit and disinterested. maybe he will improved his fitness regime once captain.
i believe he will be made cappo because it is the logical thing to do for continuity stake.
however if wi go a different route i see only ganga as an alternative. Joseph is too far removed to be cappo unless all the front line players are dropped or a scab team selected.
and despite you think roberts believe wi cricket decisions are not driven in Antigua.
let me give you a hint who expose all thing crap. where did it gain momentum?
In reply to Larr Pullo thirty mile jog will put him infront of Clide Butts home at Perseverance Mahaicony. Unity is about 23 miles.
In reply to anandgb Anand you really think dem guys gonna give Ganda their support? Wait and see, watch the ride.
Folks.
Ganga has not been included in the ODI, therefore he is not an automatic choice for captaincy of ODI. They will play 3 Tests & 4 ODIs.
Since Sarwan is qualified for both levels, I don't see them messing with the rebuilding process, by selecting an uncertain/unkown quantity at this time.
Moreover, what does rebuilding means in the WICB? After $1million plus and two years at it, you cannot defend 300 runs.
I suggest that the WICB, withdraw from the TEST & ODI and rebuild
at home. Don't send more
fodder for others to set records at our expense case in point, the recent Pakistan & Sri Lanka's recent tours.
G
Only five men are "automatic" choices to thw West Indies team at present, and one of them is hanging by a thread. Messrs Shiv, Fat Boy Sars, Onry, Taylor and Powell can pack their bags for England. Everybody else, including Ganga, needs to wait. Bravo could probably hold an overnight bag.
But to me it was just last week we were lamenting the Partridge Report? Bemoaning the fact that we were now receiving confirmation of much that we had already either suspected or surmised. Sarwan will lead this team alright, in consumption of KFC / Pepsi / Johnny Black.
We said that Lara was leading the WI under-25 team that we are assembling to ruin and despair because of his bad attitude towards training and preparation. yet I hear people now VEX because WICB wants the next WI captain to be disciplined and fit?
In reply to terryfinisterre
How are you bro? long long time...
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In reply to dcbreds
Good point.What a limited definition for stakeholders.According to them the ppl who spend their hard earned cash to watch cricket are not stakeholders.
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
In reply to bobby
I am one who would like to see Sarwan get the opportunity to lead the West Indies. But I am wondering
why is it that the new criteria are seen as a means of disqualifying Sarwan. I think many on this MB are doing a disservice to Sarwan by making the argument that somehow these criteria are a means of disqualifying him. If it is self-evident that Sarwan does not meet those criteria, then it seems to me that he does not deserve to be captain.
In reply to Cameron
That's exactly the point I was making. He does NOT deserve to be Captain. But why not just say so? Why are they beating around the bush? This ame WICB destroyed him by appointing him Vice Captain before he was mature enough. But you will remember, this was a compromise deal to get rid of Hooper.
Since then Sars has become arrogant and fat and has a serious drinking problem. I asked the Guyanese here weeks ago to give us the details on why he was thrown out of the popular Hotel Bar on Middle Street in GT.
If we are to turn over a new leaf, if it is not to be business as usual then Ganga is the best pic for skipper. Posters who are pushing the Sarwan line are not looking at the interest of WI cricket but just pushing the interest of their favourite or their homeboy.....insularity continuing to rear its ugly head.
In any event, whoever is chosen as capt. some people will copmlain. I have said it before, we must bite the bullet if our cricket is to go forward....... and our dismal performance at the WC may well be a blessing in disguise - when our cricket history is rewritten....on condition that we seize the time!!!!
In reply to Cameron If as you say, there is no problem, why teh fact are they delaying?
Do you not see the ulterior moves? It has nothing to do with Sarwan ability to lead.
In reply to Hendra So you do not see a problem being created where teh best batsman in the team is once againg jerked around?
Mek Ganga earn his place in teh team first, then come back with teh shyte argument.
What exactly has Ganga done to prove that he is a superior leader?
In reply to bobby So the fact that he was laid up with a broken foot for 4 months had nothing to do with his weight gain?
Listen I agree that as a professional he needs to maintain his body in a fit condition at all times.
Arrogance is but a sign of success and supreme confidence in onself. Do not knock it. He may be arrogant, but he behaves in a humble manner when he talks to his players and the public.
This are the attributes we need. Have you had a good leader who is not arrogant?
In reply to Hendra
How can Ganga be cappo when he barely makes the side????
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
* The Cricket Committee will be expanded to include more players who recently retired from the game.
are they calling Lara back?
Yes Ronnie looks somewhat unfit, but he had a couple of good knocks in the World Cup, has been VC and more than likely his extra weight is as a result of not being able to get back in shape quickly because of his injury; so why not give him a chance as captain this summer on a temporary basis with permanency subject to his and the team's performance? If Ganga is such a worthy contender for captaincy in the long term, pick him for the summer tour and see how he performs; if he does well with the bat then we'll have the option of promoting him (should Sarwan not do well as cappo).
Wavell Hinds is the guy them looking at to lead this team and give it some stability. All a uno so dam narcissistic all uno myopic focus is on fi uno like rebel countries.
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In reply to gusta... Ganga wasn't ODI material before the WC, IMO and hindsite, he cudn't do no worse than some a these raasclaats.
In reply to FanAttick
Is this some monarchy? Does Sarwan or anybody else have some inheritance to some throne? The best man for the position should get it. If it's Sarwan then so be it. But he should not get it becos he was vice.
This new period in Caribbean cricket is going to be both crucial and historic. You need someone with strong leadership skills, someone with vision. One of his biggest obstacles will be some of the current lazy, indisciplined seniors on the team, Gayle, Samuels, Bravo, Collimore to name a few. Sarwan is part of this group and in my opinion should not be captain at this time. We need a strong, no bull-shit type captain who is not afraid to kick-ass and kick those lazy, good-for-nuttin SOB's off the team if they won't shape-up. We're sick of their underperforming, underachieving mediocrity. Notice I did NOT say untalented but I should have included spoilt rotten, weak, yellow-bellied......
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In reply to natty_forever U may be surprised that he would do worse.Remember when he made 2 centuries in a single series against OZ and still averaged 20 something at the end of the series.Ganga should not be mentioned is a captaincy debate