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HEADLINE: Back to arbitration
CaribbeanCricket.com
Apr 24, 2007, 5:01:34 PM
by RYAN PATRICK
An arbitration panel chaired by Barbados chief justice Sir David Simmons has been asked to determine whether the upcoming West Indies tour of England is considered part of the ICC's FTP (Future Tours Program).
The issue was sent to arbitration after the WICB flip-flopped on its earlier position that the tour was outside the FTP and required the approval of the West Indies Players' Association. (See background on the dispute here)
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Patrickcity
Apr 24, 2007, 5:06:34 PM
faada
Apr 24, 2007, 5:09:46 PM
Just heard Tony Deyal on the radio claiming that the ICC GM or CEO (Richards?) sent an email confirming that even tho this tour is additional (to minimum requirements) it still is a part of the FTP.
I guess there will have to be a clear definition of the FTP. Is that available anywhere?
faada
Apr 24, 2007, 5:13:18 PM
Deyal said the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) between the WICB and WIPA does not include the letters "FTP" and the board is now taking a firm stand that WIPA's approval is not required for this tour.
Is this true?!?! Is there really no mention in the MOU of the FTP?? If that's a fact then why is Tony Deyal trying to clarify whether or not this tour is part of the FTP? Makes no sense to me.
googly1961
Apr 24, 2007, 5:18:27 PM
In reply to faada
Usual tomfoolery, skuntery, general incomptence and banditry!!
Par for the course
Yamfoot
Apr 24, 2007, 5:45:50 PM
In reply to faada
would you agree that tony deyal was not making too much sense and was not representing the WICB very well?
Admin
Apr 24, 2007, 5:59:48 PM
In reply to faada
Is this true?!?!
Nah, I made that up.
_r
faada
Apr 24, 2007, 6:02:44 PM
In reply to Yamfoot
on the radio? I was doing other things at the same time, so only half paying attention. He didn't come off very well tho.
Yamfoot
Apr 24, 2007, 6:07:27 PM
In reply to faada
yes, on the radio. you should have listened keenly.
Dukes
Apr 24, 2007, 7:12:28 PM
In reply to Yamfoot How do you as a journalist deal with the blatant dishonesty that these people continuously perpetuate on the WI public.If you clearly point out that they are lying,then they would not give you access to players and information.Are you not therefore forced to not truly report things as they are??
Admin
Apr 24, 2007, 7:15:32 PM
In reply to Dukes
Forget the journalists. How do you negotiate with an organisation that can decide, after agreements are reached, to change their minds?
I really admire Ramnarine's peacefulness. If it was me, I'd be confrontational and militant.
_r
carib
Apr 24, 2007, 7:29:15 PM
In reply to Admin
Have you checked out the performance of the players that he is negotiating for?
I think he is being as militant as he possibly can be.
Surya
Apr 24, 2007, 7:35:13 PM
In reply to carib Excellent question..How nice would it be if the players put their head down and win something and launch their fights on that platform? Just for a change..
Dukes
Apr 24, 2007, 7:35:31 PM
In reply to carib So you are justifying dishonesty on behalf of the WICB because the players are performing poorly???
You are really a low life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yamfoot
Apr 24, 2007, 7:58:48 PM
In reply to Dukes
Like Simon did, you check the facts, make sure you are up on your information and if the interviewee is obviously not telling the truth as you know it, you clarify again, and if the truth as you know it is still not forthcoming, then you call the person on it, as Simon did today.
I think at some point you have to call a spade a spade and hope people respect you for it. Organizations these days know that you can't really deny peopel access or else conclusions will be drawn, so most are cooperative. I've typically not had a problem with access to any large extent.
sabina
Apr 24, 2007, 7:58:54 PM
In reply to Dukes
"In reply to carib So you are justifying dishonesty on behalf of the WICB because the players are performing poorly???
You are really a low life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Come come sawbones. The man is a lawyer. You really expect a shylock to understand the concept of integrity and keeping your word?
But then as Chekhov said, lawyers aren't as bad as doctors. Lawyers only rob you. Doctors rob you and kill you too! :lol:
FuzzyWuzzy
Apr 24, 2007, 8:16:26 PM
In reply to Yamfoot
Saw u hobnobing wid de legends after cricket on Sat...Is that where u get your scoops? :wink: :wink:
ProWI
Apr 24, 2007, 8:58:44 PM
In reply to sabina
Lawyers only rob you. Doctors rob you and kill you too!
Ooops!!!! Killing two
similar birds wid one stone???
ProWI
Apr 24, 2007, 9:02:45 PM
The WICB studied at the Dubya School of Denial and so is the conduct of its war with the "terrorist" WIPA organization.
frangela
Apr 24, 2007, 10:15:36 PM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com I think the WICB should be dismembered allowing each territory or group of small states to play as single teams under the ICC. So we can have new minnows -
Barbados
Trinidad/Tobago
Jamaica
Windwards
Leewards
That would be the end of insularity and the advent of bigger better cricket.
There would be no Cozier (Cozen)and Holding would finally retire as a media selector and coach
Dukes
Apr 25, 2007, 3:08:50 AM
In reply to sabina :lol: :lol: :lol:
insight
Apr 25, 2007, 3:44:33 AM
In reply to Surya
Disagree with that. Ramnarine's responsibility is to get the best deal for the players; it's up to the selectors to decide who those players are. They seem quite satisfied to eliminate performers!
Zikdaman
Apr 25, 2007, 4:41:20 AM
In reply to Surya
How nice would it be if the players put their head down and win something and launch their fights on that platform?
Wouldn't it be nice if the WICB just stick to their SIGNED agreement with the players for once? Some of you folks just have to so backwards.
mikesiva
Apr 25, 2007, 4:45:53 AM
A worthless bunch of players being led by an incompetent board....
:?
talk about being stuck being a rock and a hard place!
Surya
Apr 25, 2007, 4:56:37 AM
In reply to Zikdaman No,no,no..I am not a supporter of WICB or anything..I just want to see the players to have the moral highground for once..that's all..That'll come only with winning somehting..
carib
Apr 25, 2007, 5:20:36 AM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not to their own facts.
If the ICC says that the tour is part of the FTP, then its part of the FTP. Any ageement made should be based on that fact, no matter who said what beforehand.
Frankly, I dont gice a damn. Let the arbitrator sort it out.
Zikdaman
Apr 25, 2007, 5:31:57 AM
In reply to Surya
I just want to see the players to have the moral highground for once
But they do. When one party blatantly disregards its signed agreement and has a documented history of doing so, then the other party is on the moral high ground.