In reply to scross
The Arbitrator cannot reverse a contract agreement mutually signed by both parties.

If the players signed the contract with WIPA's permission, then there is no cause for arbitration.

However, there is a loophole in this particular matter, as you are aware of, allowing some wiggle room for WIPA based on the untrue public statement issued by the WICB's CEO.

If the contracts were signed after the CEO's public statement (re the now famous lie attributed to the Chief Justice) WIPA is safe. If the contracts were signed before the public statement, then WIPA is in trouble.

I really do hope that Ramnarine not call for a strike WHEN they win arbitration.

It will be painful watching a big man look like an ass, pecking a fight, and then realize everybody bail on him.

In reply to Zikdaman

I don't know you and wouldn't try to judge you but based on your post you seem to think these losers deserve more money.
I wasn't trying to say they should play for free,ask yourself whoelse in the caribbean make that much money on a losing cause.
It's people like you than run companies bankrupt.

In reply to Zikdaman

I don't know you and wouldn't try to judge you but based on your post you seem to think these losers deserve more money.
I wasn't trying to say they should play for free,ask yourself whoelse in the caribbean make that much money on a loseing cause.
It's people like you than run companies bankrupt.

In reply to Zikdaman
Yes I and all of us work for money but I don't demand an increase when I know it's not justified.
The WICB should withdraw all retainer contracts and implement a short term contracts per tour with fixed fees and performance incentives.The indian criket board already did that.
Then the race to win and earn will be on.
These retainer contracts makes the players feel they are indispensible.

In reply to dravid Yuh see, Zicks has a one track mind on this issue. He believes the players should get most of the money generated from cricket because the cricketers are the ones creating the inflow of money thru gate receipts, tv rights, etc. I posed a question to him yet he will not answer. And that is, why farmer George can't seem to get the most money for his part in producing the goods he does in his line of business??? And remember now, farmer George is the most important man on this planet, as far as i'm concerned. :lol:

In reply to Rastaman

There are about 3 billion farmer georges who are easily replaced.

There are very few world class WI players and if you don't nurture and pay them well their supply will diminish.

Why do you think in every well run professional - English Premier, NBA, NFL - the players get most of the money they generate?

But you are happy with foreigners being treated well but say our local West Indies boys should be treated like fuedal peasanst and take what they are offered and shut up?

Why the double standards? Are gifted West Indian young men somehow inferior to young men elsewhere and should be treated as such?

In reply to sabina don't try to attribute that statement to I&I. As far as I know the WI players today are being paid handsomely and could hardly be called 'fuedal peasants' in any stretch of the imagination.

So by your statements yuh acknowledge the supply and demand convolution of this issue. I remember clearly that a so-called 'scab team' was put together for the last series the WI played in Sri Lanka. Well, the WICB wanted men to play, that's the "demand" side. And the "scab" players had some "supply" the WICB wanted. ENT???

And by the way, you cannot compare a professional outfit in the english premier league or an NFL team to that of the WI cricket setup. No sir, don't do it, or yuh look very silly doing so. Words like productivity, efficiency, performace, accountability, discipline, etc. etc, will come to mind when talking about these prof outfits. The WI cricket team is another matter altogether. And yuh darn well know it sah!!!!!!!!!

In reply to Rastaman

"Words like productivity, efficiency, performace, accountability, discipline, etc. etc, will come to mind when talking about these prof outfits. The WI cricket team is another matter altogether."

Yup, it's a widely accepted fact that WI cricketers are inherently mentally and physically inferior to their counterparts in OZ and US and should be treated and paid as such.

Why bother wasting proper management and intelligent coaches and modern sports science on inherently inferior and apparently sub-human beings?

And as Garyg rightly pointed out, we can't possibly allow such unintelligent creatures to actually form a union and elect a union head to represent them. Far better to allow their superiors and betters at the WICB to tell them just what is good for them.

In reply to sabina Yuh are missing the point or yuh being disingenuous. The stance taken against players cannot be construed to mean they are lazy, unintelligent and worthless. They are not inferior mentally and physically to the OZ players.

But I do see the OZ players performing to a higher level, don't yuh??? And, the OZ system is largely more developed and is more efficient. Yuh can hardly say WI players gonna earn as much as OZ players, in general, when yuh compare the performance of both sets of players and the economies that support both teams.

I've not really commented on the arbitration issue, since he arbitrators will decide one way or the other on the same issue and it seems tome like one of these how many angels can dance on the head ofa pin type issues. Whats at issue here really?
Admin, speak up. Why should matter whether this is an FTP tour or not/

In reply to Rastaman

"But I do see the OZ players performing to a higher level, don't yuh??? And, the OZ system is largely more developed and is more efficient. "

Related facts?

In reply to carib If FTP no money forthcoming.

In reply to carib

"Whats at issue here really? "

The WICB lying. Again.

In reply to sabina related??? Yuh the one bringing OZ players and the like into the discussion!!!