from the bajans i know all my life many are laid back and docile and let people take advantage of them. Bim didnt get independence until 1966 and that was only because England no longer wanted to have responsibility for the islands. when bajans migrate they end up working for someone else and dont open their own businesses. hardly any go to college and many end up as alcoholics and dependent on the state. perhaps that is why Bim is run by white bajans and Trinis.
it was once said that in the WI dressing room in the 80s when about 5 bajans were in the team you could hear a pin drop as the bajans would not say a thing at team meetings which were dominated by the more remonstrative JAs, Trinis, Antiguans and Guayanese.
bajans are followers and not leaders one WI manager was once quoted as saying
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Bajan are very docile
Will be following this one in a most docile fashion.
In reply to sudden
I think you on games but I will take the bait. Most Bajans I know are warriors. I've always said if I am going to a battle/war and I had to take a Caribbean man with me it will be a Bajan. Bajans are very different to Trinis and Yardies in one significant way. That is if a Trini and Yardie live in an area and let say there is a J'can sports team dominant in that area, the Trinis will form their own team as soon as they can. Turn the situation around and Yardies will do the same thing. The Bajans on the other hand will strengthen the team that already exist. The only way they will form their own team is if circumstances demand it.
In the field of battle I've never seen a more fiercer competitor than a Bajan, that fierceness goes up a couple notches when there are glaring racial differences among opposing competitors. There is an old stereotype that says Bajans are soft. Across all my various life experiences, sports, business, chasing women etc; I have never seen a soft one.
In reply to sudden
I signing up for one o them lounge chairs too boss.
If you passing by the pop corn machine , please to bring some and make sure it has on some Mello Cream butter.
thanks hear?
and all the bestest to the FAMBLEE.
In reply to sudden
HUH?.....say it ent so........say you jest kicksin'.........
Trolling
See thread Jamaicans are aggressive
In reply to sudden
is all de swine bajans duz eat. pig tail and souse duz keep people dottish as wha 
In reply to sudden
You know if someone outside post this kinda crap, you all would be crying racism. End this total nonsense. Stereotyping an entire nation...Sheer factery. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Swiftly moving away,I was once passing a betting shop in West London,I could hear a Jamaican cussing all the blood clart ,pussy clart,and me go juk up yuh rass if yuh nuh gimme de right change.I heard a man say "black man gone mad".We went in only to see a Chinee man doing all the cussin.
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In reply to granite
Is lie yuh ah tell ..........is yuh did try holaan pon missa Chin money till yuh realise seh him was a yaad man an yuh get frighten when him buss a few digits DWL
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In reply to Bigzinc
Come on Bigzinc, grow up man.
This is a troll by the learned one.
You joined this board in 2010. More than enough time for you to know when certain posters are serious about what they write or when they are simply trolling.
Don't rile yourself up over this one.
As a former opening batsman, I left these deliveries alone
In reply to Star
peeps need to grow up
In reply to Bigzinc
So you are telling me that you have never heard Bajans referred to as docile? come on, mate! truth outs
In reply to ponderiver
Boy,that was the fuss time me so much aggression from any Caribbean man or woman.Me neva know Chinese could be so bad,but then again,him was ah Yaddi.
In reply to methodic
I was trying to figure out where u from, but the word Warrior gave you away,
In reply to tc1
definitely not a bajan. bajan and warrior in the same sentence? P'oui
In reply to sudden
bajan used the term 'suwarrior'
In reply to tc1
Lol..nice word
In reply to methodicHow many national heros have you produce? Or any one can we say on the world stage?. Just while ago you guys Bajans celebrate you 50th, when it presented in the papers about a black Nations gaining Independence, the whites wanted it with drawn, because they say Barbados was not a black Nation. This could never happened in Jamaica. Simon Bolivar spent years in Jamaica, he says Jamaica has given him the power to fight the Spanish to gain Independence. Ask the people of Haiti who help them to fight and gain Independence from the French? Runaway slaves from Jamaica. If you read Colin Powell biography, what his parents did when they arrived in New York, how his mother fought for the people who worked in clothing industry to gain a union to represent them. We don't put up with any shit. Look at how national heros every one fought the British for our freedom. Some died for it. We are a hard working people, where ever we go, also kind, but don't push too far. Of course we aggressive. Jamaicans can be found in every Nation in Central America. Our decendants must have come a tribe of fighters in Africa.
In reply to sudden
C'est plus fort que Toi!
Laisse moi.
In reply to londoner
who fool you with this bs
In reply to londoner
in short unlike JAs bajans are a set of docile, followers
In reply to sudden
Man, why don't you start taking collections and move this school?
Combermere closed again
In reply to londoner
if u look closely again , u would know that the Maroons were bajans
In reply to openning
mam whu u don't leave Sudden , why u trying to distract the man , u a yardie now
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
only last week a friend asked me if i remember the term 'suwarrior' , is the spelling correct
In reply to openning
we gine move the school. where should we relocate?
well I'm a calypsonian and sometimes I end up being the only one speaking out for them amidst some docile and spineless individuals.
I look cross de sea and see the Trinidadians running their own competition while I remain the only guy rallying and trying to mobilise better conditions and more knowledgeable personnel to judge these same competitions held by a controlling Government.
In reply to analyst-kid
so as a bajan, Kid, do you agree that bajans are indeed docile and are followers instead of leaders?
In reply to tc1
Bro, the only thing we got in common is geographic location, I've live around West Indians for 46 years.
In reply to sudden
I have ALWAYS felt Bajans are docile and followers.
In reply to analyst-kid
Why u did not embrace SPO- U-GE
In reply to analyst-kid
Explain how Barbados used to lead the English speaking Caribbean then?
In reply to analyst-kid
Kid, I am not disputing that bajans are followers. What do you mean by followers and who do they follow?
In reply to nick2020
Bajans are leaders when it come to organisation...used to be their economic infrastructure, solid foundation ...but followers when it come to standing up for rights and principles.
In reply to analyst-kid
Kid, please elaborate, and write from your experience living with West Indians in Barbados and other countries.
In reply to tc1
ONE OF THE main reasons Bajans did not CONTINUE to embrace spouge was that the music producers and bands were not cognizant of a generational change and demand which comes after every ten years.
Look at reggae...u think youth in the 1980s or 1990s would have embraced reggae if it continued to sound like it did in the 1970s?..Ken Lazarus,Pluto,Ernie Smith, Keith Lynn those love baladeers had to make way for Dennis Brown,Gregory ISSACS, Sugar Minnott, Barrington Levy with their new dancehall sound.....this did not happen with spouge in Barbados...the dancehall out of Jamaica and disco MORE captured the youths attention after spouge was resurrected in 1973 by the Draytons Two following the death of Jackie Opel on March 9, 1970
In reply to openning
Kid is onto something there. Wish he would unpack that statement some more
Docile? Nah, ugly.
In reply to Norm
Could be docile and ugly, ent?
Babados has been blessed by great leaders Grantley Adams,Errol Barrow, Tom Adams, Bree St John, Erskine Sandiford all giants who helped build up a solid economic infrastructure, strong educational system and health care.....but them great leaders gone and now they are followers as they don't stand for rights and principles.
The lack of great leaders have exposed the hidden docility and following nature of Barbadians.
In reply to analyst-kid
Good points there, kid. But who are they following?
In reply to sudden
I can see why you are a lawyer, unpack?
I need to know about his experience with West Indians, not something he read, or guys he sing with, or his annual two weeks visit to various Islands.
Living and working with and around me, is different from spending a vacation with me.
In reply to analyst-kid
You cannot lead in every facet. When you say Bajans are followers then add a fullstop you make it sound like Bajans are sheep.
In reply to sudden
Good question. They are prepared to follow the other West Indians once they step up to lead them.
In reply to nick2020
You are correct. You cannot lead in every facet. They are definitely not sheep though.
The young generation of Bajans are totally different though.. they would lead when it comes to rights and principles...I find them to be very outspoken.
Remember when yuh talking Bajans they are big differences between the age groups.
In reply to analyst-kid
So with an absence of political leader in Bim now bajans are following Gonsalves and Rowley? Interesting
In reply to sudden
There is noone to follow actually.
In reply to analyst-kid
Actually I find young bajans to be unmannerly. Is that what you mean by outspoken?
In reply to sudden
could be...the youths are very bawdy and unmannerly to a point.
But they are not afraid to speak out unlike their parents...isn't that being outspoken?
In reply to analyst-kid
Fine line yes but I find they lack manners, morals and common decency but that is another topic.
In reply to nick2020
It has been said that the absence of mountains and forestry greatly influenced the disposition of Bajans. You can't hide in Barbados so you learn to be "smart". Whites and the political class control every facet of the economy and use their influence and power to keep ppl in line.
Take the latest cement war here, a company is formed to import cement to compete with the local manufacturer. The government waits until the cement is in the port to reduce the tariff from 60% to 5%. How can this be fair. A level playing field would have given the local producer enough time to counter the competition, they could have imported cement from their sister company in Venezuela and it would have arrived before a shipment from Portugal thus allowing for the appearance that the tarif was changed to facilitate a particular set of operatives.
So bajans hold their cards close to their chests.
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In reply to rubberd
How is that relevant?
In reply to sudden
He who fights and run away lives to fight another day.
the docile tag seemed to derived from the lack of aggressive nature. All I am saying is that there are not a lot of alternatives in Bim you can't pack up and go to another part of the island and start over.
So you learn to be "smart" in your behavior.
In reply to analyst-kid
Too many of them are rude and crude and without a sense of decorum Kid..dont try that.. i have always been outspoken but I would only be called Rude if I mashed some adults corns on point s of hypocrisy...much like obtains to this very day.
If I aint lying then the problem aint mine...but this batch...boss a lot of them are far out and Sudden is actually more to the point that you are on this one.
In reply to sudden
Powen's last post is alluding to the same things I am saying but with respect to current generation not having the tack of the older and they suffer the consequences as a result.
In reply to rubberd
Do u know that white and Asian Jamaicans and other no-black control the economy in Jamaica and black Jamaican embrace the motto' out of many we are one'.
this apply to the economy of T&T also.
it this docile behavior
In reply to tc1
That is why I am saying if you burn bridges on a large island you can relocate to the other side where no one knows you and start over. Not possible in Bim, island to small it is easier to "blacklist" ppl.
this is backroom stuff
In reply to rubberd
Behaviour and attitude are relative to the physical environment?
In reply to analyst-kid
if you were a leader , u would have continue the tradition of spouge and allow few generation to continue to embrace the music.
but you continue to sing calypso and be docile and immobile, where is your pride
Bajans love to pull for a bottle or a rock in a fight. Would be interesting to find out how often they follow through with the threat.
In reply to Devin
Rock Stone in yuh skunt. The ultimate insult
In reply to rubberd
cannot open the link
In reply to tc1
Why u did not embrace SPO- U-GE
Oh lawd!
The older people in my village would say? "looka muh crosses - young man wuh you want to dig up now?"
In reply to TheTrail
The problem with Spouge is that you could not wuk up to the beat
In reply to tc1
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/74647/editorial-cement-game-change
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In reply to rubberd
i think you are introducing a different argument with this cement issue. i hope you realise also that bajans welcome a new player in the cement business. afterall the cement company has been laying off workers and charged bajans more for cement manufactured in Bim than the same cement that it exports to neigbouring islands, and after years of protest, it decides to reduce the price after it gets competition.
In reply to tc1
I lot you know about docility when u call singing spouge assertive and singing calypso docile.
There is no docility in the artform of calypso bro....calypso is an aggressive artform steeped in protest.
I also do dancehall reggae.
How de hell can I continue the tradition of spouge when I MYSELF born in 1965 cannot relate to it and see it as nostalgic? I was eight years old when spouge was commercialized nationally and eighteen when it petered....to me at that time it was the music of older people while I could relate more to Dennis Brown,Bob Marley, Yellowman, Brigadier,Toyan, Tenor Saw...
hell even the biggest spouge songs such as Drink Milk,Stick by Me,Seven Books were all remakes of Jamaican hits!
the truth is we did not have a proper INDUSTRY formed linking music producers, singers,song writers, agents and promoters all together like the Jamaicans and to a lesser extent, The Trinidadians.
The greatest exponent and creator of spouge died in 1970 and efforts to revive it failed because only HE had the vision and the know how.
Jackie Opel , singer par excellence, dancer, songwriter created a beat called spouge in 1969 with the prototype song You go to Pay. His experience in performing and recording as lead singer of the SKATALITES in Jamaica proved influential here.
By 1970 he had softened the beat making it more groovy and the beat spouge was sounding like a cousin to a new beat emerging in Jamaica called reggae
You're No Good
Today March 9 is 46 years since he died Sunday Morning March 8 1970.
Three years later in 1973 the beat spouge was revived and commercialized using the song You go to Pay as the benchmark and prototype hence the cowbell and stuttered drum pattern.
do anyone here listen to the bass pattern in You're No Good in 1970 and hear the first two bars of the Sleng Teng Riddim in 1984-1985?
In reply to analyst-kid
How de hell can I continue the tradition of spouge when I MYSELF born in 1965 cannot relate to it and s petered....to me at that time it was the music of older people while I could relate more to Dennis Brown,Bob Marley, Yellowman, Brigadier,Toyan, Tenor Saw...
did u really wrote the above shit, u as a artist was 8 yo old when u heard reggae as well as spouge, but your fragile mentality drove u to embrace reggae, u could have taken spouge and make it yours. u have accuse bajans of docile and yet u continue in the same vain.
Can you post me some of your work, so by your seeds I can get to know u rather than by Sudden post
In reply to tc1
you really start to embrace music when u reach a teenager and you first gain freedom to venture from home and party.
At eight years old I was not too keen on any music ( more interested in books/comics and watching cartoons on tv)...that started at 14 when I first heard calypso from Barbados and Trinidad (first real freedom) and 18 on graduating from school hearing Yellowman and the dub chanters.
By that time spouge was fading and bounced off the radio as the most popluar music.
Only a Bajan would scoff at West Indian artforms and genres and their influence...just because something is Bajan doesn't make it indigenous....make sense out of that.
In reply to analyst-kid
I marvel at your logic though, only because Kasio/Calypso - that which you sing - is routed as far back as the 17th century. To say spouge was " music of older people" is odd, surprising even.
Listen to the melody here: a song by YOU and this
don't focus on the cowbell, the rhythm.... the rut rut ruhhtunk rut ruhhtunk ruhhtunk is IDENTICAL - with a slight variation is speed.
Kasio, soca, SPOUGE is the roots, your kasio is a branch.
In reply to pelon
you are a wise man.
In reply to pelon
AK performance was good on that song, I was not familiar with his work before, what is 'cowbell'I left bim in my teens.
In reply to pelon
My analysis of my interpretation as a teenager is obviously different to how I look at things now. Frankly as a teenager I wasn't interested in spouge associating it with older people. Calypso however esp soca/tempo calypso hooked me also dansehall reggae.
I could only tell you how it was in 1983. 1983 the radio was hot with Eddy Grant's releases of Gabby and Grynner and the dancehall reggae aka dub music coming out of Jamaica.
Why did Gabby, Tony Grazette and others older than me and knew Jackie personally concentrated on calypso rather than spouge?
I GAVE YOU the answer for my generation.
In reply to analyst-kid
Pelon is correct
There was one unique Rhythm that came out of Barbados, which was Spouge.
A number of allyuh is to blame blame for not having the vision, to continue that beat.
I went to a show in Toronto last year, that showed the history of the Jamaican sound.
The band that there, educated us to Ska and how it is still in Reggae and dancehall.
In reply to openning
Again a lack of knowledge on the matter.
Are singers/song writers responsible for continuing a/the beat?
Or moreso studio producers/musicians with the said vision?
Did Bob Marley have the means initially to record himself?
Did he create the reggae beat?
Guys with that power are the Byron Lees, Lee Scratch Perry, Coxsone Dodds (Coxsone Records-Studio One) and it continued like this from the 1960s in Jamaica up to this day.
Barbados had WIRL with Bunny Best who sustained the spouge beat but it petered out as it failed to capture the next generation. Today they are countless studio producers in Barbados but please don't put the blame on people like me who has to pay $2000-$3000 to record a song.
In reply to analyst-kid
Are you telling me that Ska and Reggae is dead, and dancehall is now the only sound, coming out of Jamaica?
I grew up with Spouge, living only a Mile away from Wirl studio in Applewaite factory.
How many of your generation music is recognize out of Barbados?
Most of us know spouge, Reggae, ska, Dancehall, rap, soul, R&B.
Spouge died become know one wanted to continue the vision, which was unique to the Barbadian sound.
A week ago I asked a guy, where in Africa is his music from, he said Nigeria, my wife said to me, how did you know it was African music.
Get to work Kid, bring it back,
In reply to openning
Kid is ok sometimes but he is bare talk. He is not a pioneer. Typical bajan...docile
In reply to sudden
Can you imagine Steve Job, thinking like him?
I cant do this, it is not going to work, youngsters not going to like it.
Kid, has an opportunity to get to work, he will thank us for having a discussion on Spouge, when his hits go viral.
I want my 10%.
In reply to openning
you mean I just write a whole explanation and enlightenment and STILL you and Sudden cahn understand?
where did I wrote that SKA and Reggae is dead and dancehall is the only sound?
"Bring it back".."get to work on it"..."he's not a pioneer"
who says I'm interested in bringing back spouge? Thats what you guys seem to want....not me.
I NEVER sing a spouge song in my life...I was not even around in the spouge era...
thats ike trying to force me to like a woman old enough to be my mother....leave me alone...pick on somebody else...
In reply to analyst-kid
If someone brings it back would you support it?
In reply to openning
well said
In reply to sudden
Kid is a docile , passion bajan. I bet he went to K-O-L-I-J
In reply to sudden
only one I want to see come back is Jesus.
all the rest of things irrelevant.
its nice to be docile, sometimes...Jesus said the meek will inherit the earth.
In reply to analyst-kid
I Love Spouge Kid..always have but these NON singers and non Writers clamouring for something THEY themselves REJECTED!!
If those foggies stuck with it it would be still around ...
wunnuh come here fi Drink Milk or Count Cows?
wunnuh certainly didnt STICK BY ME (spouge)
In reply to powen001
you just provided a vital point which I missed.
If the following had continued to be faithful and keep up the demamd....how could it have dissipated?
you need people to produce it and an audience to demand it.
the young generation would therefore be influenced to notice it.
In reply to analyst-kid
Do you realize some of the songs allyuh write end up at times in Latin America with a Salsa or Reggaeton beat.
Salsa, Merengue, Cumbia, Bachata all latino rhythms, unique to latin America.
In reply to openning
man, kid and de short pooch kiddie real short sighted
In reply to sudden
Any Bet you and Opening still cant get enough of Charlie Pride and Skeeter Davis....Bun fyah pon wunnuh!!
In reply to powen001
Brother Powen, wifey and I are ballroom and latin dancers, I usually have to tell Cubans, I am Bajan.
My Cuban style Salsa is updated with styling, and modern casina Royal moves.
I see the discussion has moved to music history.
Are we saying that if we weren't docile, that spouge would still be kicking?
Strangely enough, CBC (I always get annoyed with them for keeping such archives under wraps) showed a clip with Commander (Tony Grazette) singing "bring back de spouge"
In reply to nissan
Spouge is Bajan, Kid and his generation of Artist dropped the ball.
I understand Powen, tried to sing, he was part of the group, without a vision to carry the torch.
In reply to openning
All it needs are a couple of sexy women in skimpy clothes with sexy lyrics that you can dance to and spouge would come alive again
In reply to nissan
The same topic, Kid said bajans were docile and not aggressive, but cap fits Kid to a tee, Kid is very talented i just saw one of his rendition and was impress.
there is room in the inn for sponge as a art form.
In reply to openning
My Cuban style Salsa is updated with styling, and modern casina Royal moves.
lol lol
well well well
In reply to tc1
No dispute re Kid's talent.
I was at Farley Hill in '85.
Marketing and promotion would have been needed to keep spouge alive. The Draytons fought valiantly, but....
From where I sit, there was a lack of willingness to deviate from the formula. Conservative nature, maybe.
Tony "Commander" Grazette did incorporate the cowbell into a couple of his kaiso tunes. One in particular (Kid would have to help me with the name here) all I can remember is "La La La La La la", but the melody was sweet.
I know LA LA LA LA LA....CALYPSO FEVER...by my friend Tony Commander Grazettes.
Bring Back De Spouge was sweet....first time I heard it I was in the tent up front and cheering it on.
looka tell Rhi Rhi bring back Spouge. duh cud rename it tropical soul or sumting so an say Miley Cyrus originate um
In reply to analyst-kid
I know "Calypso Fever". Pretty sure I had an album with that.
The song I'm thinking of would have come out a couple years after - maybe 89 - 90. Had some nice horns as well.
De "las" went more like "lala La la La la"
In reply to defeyeant
complete and utter waste of time.
In reply to nissan
there is another LA La one he did called FREEDOM
In reply to nissan
the first time I heard Kid was this week, good talent.
RiRi would be a good source to revive the music and market it
In reply to powen001
why?, becuse Sudden can't sing
If dem so docile, how dem take away Tits flying fish
In reply to analyst-kid
Is that the one that goes "freedom...freedom...freedom"?
If that's the case, that's not it, either.
Pity I can't hum it on here
In reply to analyst-kid
Lets do some Kid Site History, 60 Seconds or less:
In the early 80's dub was king in Barbados, one of the biggest hits was by "Jesse James" of Dub is the Force fame, which gave rise to Kidsite's niceness: Minibus and the classic message in: Errol Walton Barrow and 1985's The History Lesson
From dub to Calypso
By 1991, Kid had sweeping success with his melodic, articulate Mistaken Identity. He continued to perform year after year with many great tunes, each carrying him to semifinals or finals. It would be another 13 years before Kids Site took the crown (2004, Old Songs / Pirates). So good was Site, that he went on to win 3 straight years.
Dub meets Calypso, two genres close to Kid Sites heart: "Fat Gal Wine" came out in 1998 - if my memory is correct, it was for May's Congaline festival
No other Bajan calypsonian has won the crown 3 straight years, 2004 2005 2006 . Congrats Kid Site, long history, great contribution.
My favorites remain: Mistaken Identity, Save Something for me and Too malicious and dangerous.
60 seconds of your time!
In reply to bravos
How about this?
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I knew there was another great one!! Right on par.
In reply to pelon
Talk about his cricket acumen as analyst-kid now
anyways thanks for the brief bio although Minibus preceded Jesse James (RIP) Dub is the Force
Minibus/History was the first Bajan 45 released iro dub music in 1985
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Trinidad was never the same after that invasion."Gun shot ah buss down de lane" "gunman lyrics" "de nine nine nine nah nah nine nine nine fire shott fire shott "
In reply to pelon
Special mention: Four times Barbados National Dub Champion: 1983,1985,1989,1992
with Fat Gal Wine I made Trinidad International Soca Monarch Finals in 1997 and was part of the "Bajan Invasion".
SINCE U BLOWING MY TRUMPET...I COULD KEEP BLOWING.
In reply to tc1
Suddens issues go beyond his tone deafness...
Rihanna is way smarter than many on here even can believe to think.
She has built an empire on smart decisions and the appetites of those willing to drop dollars for her Brand.
SPOUGE aint no where near her agenda except for some nostalgic piece..which I doubt she can even begin to relate to.
to Alison Hinds, Square one , Dub Beenie Man etc yes.. but Draytons 2?
man please.
T&T survived the Bajan Invasion.
In reply to analyst-kid
Maximum respect!
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